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5-10-20 short handed: I play very passively 5-10-20 short handed: I play very passively

09-15-2017 , 12:53 PM
It is late night, and we are down to 4 handed play. Villain is stuck. He's lost over the course of the evening over 6K, and re-bought about 1 hour ago for 5K, and has run that up about 8K by being on monkey tilt. I think his monkey tilt is over, but he still wants to drive the action to try and get back to even. Historically I know he has the capability of running large bluffs. Effective stack is 2800. My image is very laggy, but capable of laying down hands. I did pick off a 2 street bluff from villain about 3 hands prior to this for about a 1500 dollar pot with a crappy ace on an ace high board that he gave up on the river.

Preflop, button folds, I complete with 108s, BB completes (Very tight passive ABC player), villain raises to 70 from his straddle, both of us call

Pot is 210

Flops is K108 (I don't have a club)

I check, BB leads out for 120, villain raises to 400, I call, BB folds

Pot is 1130

Turn is 5

I check, villain bets 800 instantly, I call

Pot is 2730

River is 3

I check, villain instantly announces all in for my remaining 1500, I call

Thoughts on all streets appreciated
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09-15-2017 , 03:29 PM
Except for folding pre, which I don't think I'd do four handed, I think it's played fine vs. this opponent.

(I do not play this high, so take it with a grain of salt. The highest I play is 1/3/10 w/ $1,000 - $3,000 stacks.)
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09-15-2017 , 03:33 PM
I guess, though, I have to ask what you think BB is leading with on the flop? He's tight/passive but bets into both of you? Are you folding if he re-pops the $400?
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09-15-2017 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
I guess, though, I have to ask what you think BB is leading with on the flop? He's tight/passive but bets into both of you? Are you folding if he re-pops the $400?
He's possibly leading with sets, two pairs, all of his kings, and maybe some combo draws as well (I discount that though because he likes to make his hand before betting). He also likes to do probe bets, so I wouldn't be surprised if he had like JJ or QQ (and it is very possible he played these hands this way preflop). I am absolutely folding if he repops it on the flop.
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09-15-2017 , 05:08 PM
This looks fine. Even with the brick runout, the action guy is repping a small set of hands that beat you. I'm guessing even a tilt box isn't going to raise K8o, so something like KK (3), TT (1), 88 (1), KT (6), K8s (2), or 13 combos of hands.

We're best often enough on the flop, we're best often enough on the turn, and I'm pretty sure the player as described will be firing off all those missed draws often enough for this to be a profitable call.
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09-15-2017 , 06:58 PM
Is he capable of thin value?
You really look like KQ/KJ.
Is he playing AK/AA like this and shoving river?
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09-15-2017 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Leha
Is he capable of thin value?
You really look like KQ/KJ.
Is he playing AK/AA like this and shoving river?
I strongly suspect he is checking behind AK and AA on the river. I really think this is mainly nuts or air
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09-15-2017 , 10:35 PM
Shove turn. The board is soaking wet. V is tilty. He will call with worse/possibly even draws.

If you have T8o, then fold pre.
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09-16-2017 , 01:30 AM
What is your rationale for playing so passively here? Is this like a "rope a dope" because villain so aggressively tilty? If so, it's played perfectly, and you have to just sigh if you lose. With BB in mix though, not sure this was an optimal line, but I hope it worked out for you.


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09-16-2017 , 05:03 AM
I probably open myself Pre or fold. Other than that I like how you played it. I think there is also merit to CRing turn given board texture, possibility of him tilting may not fold AA/AK, strong draws etc. But 50/50.
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09-16-2017 , 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
I probably open myself Pre or fold.
I wasn't actually opening a ton of hands from the SB. The BB is the most passive player so almost no chance of him raising, and the straddle is folding almost no hands to an open, so I was trying to mix in some medium and stronger hands into the preflop limping range so I could come over the top a few times. This was a decent limp call hand I felt.
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09-16-2017 , 05:09 PM
nh
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09-16-2017 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Finister18
What is your rationale for playing so passively here? Is this like a "rope a dope" because villain so aggressively tilty? If so, it's played perfectly, and you have to just sigh if you lose. With BB in mix though, not sure this was an optimal line, but I hope it worked out for you.


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Well the flop is what really made me choose the passive role. If I come over the top, I am only getting called by hands that crush me or I'm flipping with. If I call, I can give him/them a chance to do something silly. The turn, I can see c/r or even leading out. Again, this player is capable of running a big bluff, so shouldn't I give him the rope, or is the board too coordinated to allow him to atch up potentially?
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09-16-2017 , 09:27 PM
agree with calling the flop. If villain has worse he'll probably fold or shut down with worse.

agree with checkraise on the turn. It looks like you may be semi-bluffing so worse hands are much more likely to call.

agree with calling on the river. there's enough chance that he has a Kx or a missed draw here that you have to call.
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09-17-2017 , 03:05 AM
Fold flop.
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