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05-23-2018 , 08:18 PM

Oaks

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5/10 with 20 straddle

2000 effective

V is a decent reg

folds to HJ who limps 20 (has been limping a lot)
V on the button raises to 80 ( standard size for this V after a limper)
SB calls 80
Hero in BB has AQo and 3bets to 400
limper folds
back to V on the button who jams for 2000
Sb folds

hero?

also, what is the bottom of your calling range here?

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05-23-2018 , 09:37 PM

apricotjello

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this is a tough spot. you could maybe tank a while to rep folding a strong hand, or you could go with the snap fold since you have reads this is a decent reg.

i’m personally going with the classic sigh/peek back at cards/fold with a slow slide toward dealer, and balancing that with sigh/peek/calling JJ+, AK+

AKo and JJ possibly folds if you think reg is tight / doesn’t get out of line.

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05-23-2018 , 10:01 PM

Oaks

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Originally Posted by apricotjello

certainly not folding Ak BU vs BB for 100bbs, most likely not folding JJ either.

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05-25-2018 , 12:25 PM

whorasaurus

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Fold looks best. Sizing on the 3b feels a bit high but I can't fault it. How often are you 3betting/squeezing?

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05-25-2018 , 01:31 PM

Jarretman

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Fold

We are not playing vs a normal BTN RFI range, we're playing vs a BTN raise a limper range.

Also being only 100bb deep I don't love the 20bb squeeze size. I think I would use a 16bb sizing, $320 or so.

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I can't tell if this is trolling but if you're one of those guys that tank folds when they already know they're folding you're an idiot

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05-26-2018 , 02:55 AM

rakes

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A+

Also need to stare him down so he knows he can't punk you around next time. I'd ask him a few probing questions after minutes of your meanest look like "show if I fold?" and "i call, we run it twice??" etc etc.

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05-28-2018 , 04:53 PM

TimeBomb

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I'd fold if I haven't been 3 betting a lot, but if I've 3bet vill before and know they can play back, I'm either gii or flatting to protect my range. I know a lot of people don't like flatting from the blinds, but personally I find it profitable to not only have a strong oop flatting range as well as a weak 3 betting range (weak A and K as well as a few suited connectors). I don't think I'm going to 3 bet fold aq 100b deep vs a vill on button who can mix it up.

When I say flatting earlier I mean flatting the original raise and not 3 betting if that wasn't clear.

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05-29-2018 , 12:53 PM

jdr0317

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We can call off JJ+/AK here. That's still 40 combos. And his jam is risking 1920 to win 580, so we only have to be calling this 23.2% of the time to not get exploited. So unless we're three betting some ridiculous amount (> 13%), this call off range should be fine to keep us from getting owned. Given that our 3 bet is likely closer to, like, 6%, we could probably call off even tighter (QQ+/AKs).

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05-29-2018 , 06:54 PM

AllTheCheese

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^^^ Your 23.2% figure is wrong. That's the frequency we would have to call to avoid being exploited by ZERO equity bluffs. But it's preflop, so bluffs always have decent equity.

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06-02-2018 , 09:24 AM

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TimeBomb

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I'd also prefer a smaller pre sizing. 400 looks pretty committing. I'd still rather flat with the top of my range and play oop 3 way when vills seem very likely to have a lot of dominated as and qs in their range rather then commit myself with a hand where my best care scenario is I'm flipping. I guess the big sizing pre makes it close, but I'm probably still folding.

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