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Old 09-12-2017, 11:41 PM   #1
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2nd Set in 3bet pot on turn, almost 3 BI's deep

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Villain is a standard rec-fish. Knows the game well, plays the occasional 5/10. Plays a lot of hands, often shows up with Q6s, 95s, J7o, etc. Loose-passive most of the time and when he tilts, he tends to spew HARD. Hopeless over-bluffs for 3 streets, overcalls, everything.

But Villain is not tilting at this point. He is comfortably sitting on a huge stack. Hero has about $1300 and Villain covers.

EP raises to $20 or $25
Villain reraises to $65.
Hero cold-calls in position with 10-10, EP folds.

Flop: Q-8-x rainbow.
Check, check.

Turn: 10
Villain leads out $60. Hero raises to $180. After a few seconds, Villain announced All-in.

Hero: ???
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Old 09-13-2017, 03:10 AM   #2
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Re: 2nd Set in 3bet pot on turn, almost 3 BI's deep

What's his 3bet range?

Gonna be hard to find a fold here
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Old 09-13-2017, 04:37 AM   #3
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Re: 2nd Set in 3bet pot on turn, almost 3 BI's deep

He's not 3betting J9 that's for sure.

He's also never checking flop here with AA/KK.

I don't know his 3betting range I would assume pretty tight (QQ+/AK maybe JJ/AQ).
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Old 09-13-2017, 09:10 AM   #4
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Re: 2nd Set in 3bet pot on turn, almost 3 BI's deep

Did t add a flush draw?
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Old 09-13-2017, 11:36 AM   #5
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Re: 2nd Set in 3bet pot on turn, almost 3 BI's deep

Don't remember. If it did, can we really put AKs/AJs to villain's range?
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Old 09-13-2017, 12:07 PM   #6
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Re: 2nd Set in 3bet pot on turn, almost 3 BI's deep

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If it did, can we really put AKs/AJs to villain's range?
Yes. It would also add AQs if the flush draw didn't include the Q
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Old 09-13-2017, 05:14 PM   #7
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Re: 2nd Set in 3bet pot on turn, almost 3 BI's deep

Call. Order drink. Have re-buy ready.

If he's not 3!ing any combos of J9, then it's pretty much a snap call.
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Old 09-13-2017, 05:47 PM   #8
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Re: 2nd Set in 3bet pot on turn, almost 3 BI's deep

Call and then post thread on 2p2 after he shows you QQ and wonder if he would ever play any other hand except QQ in this exact way.
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Old 09-14-2017, 01:13 AM   #9
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Re: 2nd Set in 3bet pot on turn, almost 3 BI's deep

So the answer is to fold?

How many times I've paid off top set with a middle Set hand putting in my last calling chips crying.. maybe I should reconsider folding sets sometimes?

Back in 2007 if you hit top pair with AK, it's the nuts, regardless of action. If you have QQ+/AK pre, it's the nuts. If you have 2 pairs+ post flop, it's the nuts. The reason is there were many worst hands that would continue regardless of how much you bet or raised.

People that play that way are the biggest losers in the game today. Maybe pot-control all but the absolute nuts and fold to big 2.5 BI re-shoves?
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Old 09-14-2017, 02:12 AM   #10
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Re: 2nd Set in 3bet pot on turn, almost 3 BI's deep

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Well you know the guy - what range are you giving him? Assuming no flush draw hit the turn (and if you don't recall it must not have been a big consideration at the time) it would seem to be mostly AA, KK (but no cbet?) or QQ. if you think there's a reasonable chance he'd be slamming it in over your turn raise with an overpair, in his current mood, it's a call. But my guess is you are looking at set under set.
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Old 09-14-2017, 12:01 PM   #11
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Re: 2nd Set in 3bet pot on turn, almost 3 BI's deep

BBV is down the hall. Can we lock this thread?
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Old 09-14-2017, 03:28 PM   #12
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Re: 2nd Set in 3bet pot on turn, almost 3 BI's deep

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Did t add a flush draw?
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Don't remember.
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