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Old 05-16-2019, 06:57 PM   #7601
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Re: 2k- a poker story (wtmfl;dr obv)

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Old 05-16-2019, 07:35 PM   #7602
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I think you know that's what I was saying but I don't want to leave anything to misinterpretation. So, just to be clear, that is what I was saying. Sometimes my brain isn't neatly organized and what I write comes out wrong.

The restaurant stuff I was being sarcastic to that poster because he was being ridiculous. Now that I read it, I should've just said "DGAF didn't ask his kids to make a mess on purpose. And he did the right thing by tipping more as a sign of apology and that's great. F*ck off you ***" Live and learn.

I hope you reconsider putting the podcast behind a paywall or at least revise the messaging for doing it (reasoning/justifications).

What you are saying is like telling viewers of the Discovery Channel to reciprocate if they like the channel by paying Discovery for viewing or liking the channel. But the viewer is already paying the cable provider, electricity bill, tv set. I realize the podcast listener is not paying some podcast aggregator that is in turn paying each podcast channel publisher. But, that's the whole point. When you publish the podcast and make it available on players (that people access for free), the whole point is to make it free and accessible on a free platform (ie, for distribution). You are doing it to build viewership and critical mass in order to monetize (sponsorships, ads, other goods/svcs, build up personal brand et al).

There's nothing wrong with asking listeners to donate to support you. Your time is money and why wouldn't you? You should! However, I'd think it makes more sense to disassociate it with the podcast/reciprocation concept itself. There are thousands of user generated content sites, YT channels, that monetize w/ donations among other things. They don't market by repeatedly mentioning reciprocation. They just enable reciprocation by re-marketing pathways (links, mentions in passing, hot buttons, etc) to allow fans to donate. It seems like nitpicking but it's actually critical and the primary reason why I think some people are taking issue with this whole thing. And yes I agree they could be wrong to do so but I could understand why it's happening. Better messaging would really work wonders.

Just say if you want to support me, I've setup a Patreon account to make it easy to give as much or as little as you want to. It takes me time and there's even a cost of producing these things so anything you can share with me would be greatly appreciated. Also, to say the reverse (e.g., if you don't reciprocate by donating, you are a nit/leech) is going to confuse a lot of listeners. And I think your tone recently has taken a fairly sharp turn toward this type of negative confirmation messaging. Just message it in the positive direction. If you can't give now, give in the future. A lot of us are drawn to you because we too are struggling in one way or another. What is a broke person who are drawn to you precisely because he's broke do when you shut his types off because they can't give money?

More and more people will give gradually over time. The broke fan's situation may improve and when it does, he becomes a patron and supports with money. Sure, there are lurkers here who are spectators to a tragedy who are anxiously waiting for you to fail. They will never give anyway so just ignore THEM. Why run from the former category of people in order to punish the latter category of evil.

From my brain --
You also don't need to alienate or exclude people who don't donate now because of the principle of attrition, retention rates/costs, and customer acquisition costs. The ones who don't donate now are the "leads" that will convert and donate sometime later. Conversions for the type of product you're trying to monetize (content) usually takes a long time (sales cycle) and it's also uncommon to use content in and of itself to convert. Content is commonly used as the "top of the funnel" lead generation vehicle. Turning content into a bottom of the funnel conversion vehicle is doing everything backwards.

Much of online content monetization follows the principles of longtail (see Chris Anderson's original material but the concept has moved on from business strategy/product mix --> and spread to SEO, content mktg, distribution). I'd use Sessions as the Head and the aggregate of all your other stuff as the Tail piece. If you put the podcast behind a paywall, you're effectively reversing the model.

From my heart --
You basically said "hey Jimmy, we started this basketball game but I don't like that fan in the stands yelling at me. It's my ball so let's go play over on that other court behind the wall. I don't care if 2 people are in the stands. At least they're paying for their ticket."

You don't need to sell the ticket. You can sell the shoes, the jersey, the book/memoir, the shooting lessons, and the DGAF WAY. Fill the stands even if there's a jerk yelling profanity. The others in the stand will beat him up and take care of it. Turning off the lights in the gym to handle this jerk is not optimal for your future business execution.

Forgot when exactly I did it but a while ago I took time to write you what I had hoped was a cogent, detailed suggestion for marketing yourself and all of the things you had going on - including the store, content, ... etc. I thought that was a good way to give back and try to help at least at that point in time.

I don't really post on here that much. This is the thread I visit the most and it's not much. I don't listen to poker things or read poker things. But I listened to every single Sessions - some episodes I've listened to 3 or 4 times. I really liked it.

Good luck in everything you do and I do always STRADDLE! On that we can agree forever!!!!!

My own gym lights are now off. Farewell fellow DGAF fans. Two blind, full ring is for short stacking nits whose mission in life is to reach $35/hr winrate by memorizing charts. They're not artists nor scientists. They're live version of bots. F*ck bots! Had to just take a sh*t before leaving =)
This guy nailed it. The threats of quitting the podcast, posting here, etc have really turned the tone of the podcast.

I was one of the first patreon subscribers (ahhhhsht) and even quit a baseball league patreon membership to justify it. Iím clearly pulling for you in life and content, but your tone is getting bad and off-putting.
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Old 05-16-2019, 07:50 PM   #7603
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Cannabusto- definitely understand the want for a browns trophy. Cleveland has always been a football town. For me, having the team ripped way during my youth made it much more difficult to care about the Browns when they returned as more than a casual fan. For me, they are the bottom of the pile, but I know Iím a minority.

Lastly, football over the past few years just bores the hell out of me. So little action compared to what itís billed as.


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Agreed. Much need for less time between plays, fewer timeouts, fewer penalties, reviews etc.
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Old 05-16-2019, 08:08 PM   #7604
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Re: 2k- a poker story (wtmfl;dr obv)

I just became a Patreon. I am a big fan of making some of DGAFs content paid or subscription based.

That being said, I think there are a lot of nuances here. In my own life, I run a digital creative business, so I think I get where DGAF is coming from...

He is producing content that should be compensated, if the market will bear it. For those who love DGAFs podcasts and writings but think it should all continue to be free just because they have gotten used to it having been free in the past--I think you are dead wrong.

Content is worth what the audience will pay. End of story. Period. This is how business works, folks.

On the flip side, if DGAF tries to charge too much, and his audience rejects it, then he can't complain that his stuff is "worth more" because of how much time he spends on it.

The amount of time DGAF spends on his writings and podcasts have absolutely NO BEARING on what he can charge or should charge his audience. All that matters is what it is worth to them, and if they are willing to pay that amount.

So, the question is--what are folks willing to pay? DGAF is in the process of finding that out. My own opinion is that he absolutely needs to keep this thread alive, as well as keeping pieces of his story and his podcast free so that he can attract new listeners.

Without keeping portions of his stuff free and accessible, his audience will wither away to nothing in short order.

Pleasing people generally is not that important. My view and experience is that there will always be a vocal minority of complainers. They complain about paying but then they either pony up because they want whats on offer, or they don't (and probably never would have anyway).

People pay for dumb stuff all the time that is overpriced and they don't need. Without doubt, the sort of content DGAF is providing is worth something to those of us who want to be entertained for hours on end with great stories.

But are there enough of us who value the content and are willing to pay for it? I suspect yes, but time will tell.

However, if DGAF gets too stressed out by the negativity and haters (yes they do come with the territory) then he might not ever get to the point of a thriving business. I hope he can stick it out and weather this storm.

It gets better, I promise.

Oh, yeah, final note. Don't be a f'ing nit! Become a patreon if you love Sessions!!

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Old 05-16-2019, 10:22 PM   #7605
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Sean, do you have a link?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ82NkKdCs4

That channel has the larger hands from all 3 episodes (nlhe one is boring don't watch)

There's another channel with the full streams but the commentators are speaking french and as entertaining as I'd likely find the full stream, I can't watch and listen to a poker game when someone is rambling over it in a language I don't understand.
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Old 05-17-2019, 07:09 AM   #7606
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^^ Could you please post the link with the French channel?
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Old 05-17-2019, 09:07 AM   #7607
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ82NkKdCs4

That channel has the larger hands from all 3 episodes (nlhe one is boring don't watch)

There's another channel with the full streams but the commentators are speaking french and as entertaining as I'd likely find the full stream, I can't watch and listen to a poker game when someone is rambling over it in a language I don't understand.
Thanks! Good stuff! The guy with AA played the first hand terribly.
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Old 05-17-2019, 05:10 PM   #7608
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@DGAF
Caught up on the podcast, big fan of Daytime Poker and Boiling Point.

I know yall said you think Sean Snyder 3 was bad / dumb, but I really liked it (and I did actually listen to the whole thing, so if you wanna ship a shirt I'll take it lol). It was kinda absurdist humor for me, which I like.

If you're one of the haters feel free to not read the below, it's about how to fully respect trans people
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Old 05-17-2019, 10:34 PM   #7609
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Take your kids to restaurants imo. Try to teach them to not make a mess but know that it is just going to look different where they sat, compared to if an adult had sat there. Tip a little extra if there is a significant mess that can't be cleaned up without supplies.

Seems fine/fair. And yeah, kids are necessary. I've done the math on it too.
Yeah, but the terrible twos... Thanks for the reply thoughójust became a patron. I will be in Los Angeles for two months in the summer. Any chance you might come play at the Gardens? Would love to buy you a good beer (e.g. Chimay Blue) and talk about the woes/glory of parenting and the hardships of life.

(Side note: I was the one who emailed you about my disagreements about free-will. Still hoping you and Dr. David will talk about that.)
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Old 05-18-2019, 08:29 AM   #7610
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Yeah, but the terrible twos... Thanks for the reply thoughójust became a patron. I will be in Los Angeles for two months in the summer. Any chance you might come play at the Gardens? Would love to buy you a good beer (e.g. Chimay Blue) and talk about the woes/glory of parenting and the hardships of life.



(Side note: I was the one who emailed you about my disagreements about free-will. Still hoping you and Dr. David will talk about that.)


Ugh Iím at the terrible twos stage also, with twin girls!

Iím actually afraid to bring them any where. Canít even let them out back without a team of two adults. They say it gets easier, whoever they are.
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Old 05-18-2019, 11:05 AM   #7611
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Ugh Iím at the terrible twos stage also, with twin girls!

Iím actually afraid to bring them any where. Canít even let them out back without a team of two adults. They say it gets easier, whoever they are.


We take our kids to some of the fast casual places like spin Pizza or Chipotle. We take them a little early before the dinner rush and take a few baby wipes to clean them and the table.

Kind of like training wheels for nicer places and if there is a melt down you can just take the food and bail.
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Old 05-19-2019, 08:30 AM   #7612
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Ugh Iím at the terrible twos stage also, with twin girls!

Iím actually afraid to bring them any where. Canít even let them out back without a team of two adults. They say it gets easier, whoever they are.
Twin girls?! God speed, man. I have a four and two, and really, the twos stage are the worst because: (a) they are forming strong desires, (b) most of which cannot be satisfied, and (c) they are a constant threat to their own well-being.
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Old 05-19-2019, 05:55 PM   #7613
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Can someone link me to dgaf youtube page or his pod casts?
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Old 05-19-2019, 08:10 PM   #7614
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Can someone link me to dgaf youtube page or his pod casts?
This is the blog site, where both podcasts are available:

https://dgafblog.com/

You can also find them on ITunes.
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Old Yesterday, 01:03 AM   #7615
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Thanks
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Old Yesterday, 01:23 AM   #7616
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awww, fold pre has taken over. 2019 - the year the last LAG joins the dark side and hopefully discovers that it's not so bad. welcome!
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Old Yesterday, 02:58 AM   #7617
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Completely agree with HarvardJay on both of his main points of accepting criticism then advice regarding the paywall.

That being said, I've always been a very strong proponent of scaling before monetizing.

I will mention though, this podcast does seem to be one of a rather niche community. While it has potential to grow, the question is "how much growth does it really have?"
Unless you can reasonably say it will reach mass scale, it might actually be the +EV strat to have a paywall. If something as big as pokerGO doesn't think they can scale enough to turn off a paywall, it's not super unreasonable for DGAF to think so as well.
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Old Yesterday, 01:27 PM   #7618
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@dgaf

Do you have Venmo or Zelle? I donít want to subscribe to a monthly recurring charge but I do want to send you some $ for the enjoyment. I listened to 4 pods on my flight today 2k- a poker story (wtmfl;dr obv).


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Old Yesterday, 06:59 PM   #7619
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I think you can donate a one-time amount on paytreeonz
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Old Yesterday, 09:34 PM   #7620
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Yeah but they probably vig it 5%+
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