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Old 03-05-2019, 07:33 AM   #6676
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@DGAF I think you missed this one.
My bad. Straddle shirts will be up soon. Pretty sure all our shirts come in 3x and most come in 4x.

Basketball season is over so I will have more time for my projects moving forward. Thanks Kato!
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Old 03-05-2019, 07:35 AM   #6677
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went bowling recently first time in forever (drunk bowling ofc). was pretty rad i must say. i keep being mystified by why it's so hard to ****ing take down all the pins.



antes are my new favourite frontier to explore.



sip is a noun y'all.

heading to drag myself from my own abyss in a nice Friday night session. OUT
Just got back from bowling. Hit me up when you are out here and you are invited.
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Old 03-05-2019, 07:35 AM   #6678
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DGAF....Last time I was in Temecula I contacted you via text. Sounded like you were busy. If you need help with the website....LMK. Iíll most likely be moving to Menifee some time this year. Cheer up and have a couple of cold ones for me.
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Old 03-05-2019, 07:41 AM   #6679
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dgaf, I think a journey through hell a la dante's inferno fits better as an allegory than super mario bros for poker as a profession . Welcome to the first circle of the abyss, limbo aka low stakes no limit, where dumb ****s lack the hope or imagination for something greater than their rational minds can achieve. ... Ninth circle of the abyss, treachery, where people are backstabbing each other to get into games, creating stables and coaching rings, and competing for whales. Then paradise where you're heads up against whales and free rolling with other people's money.
Ha, you are right, but I could never make it through if I put it that way. I'll meet you in the middle and just call level 1, the bottom level, "red chip hell".

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Just so you know you are already in sales. Everyone in business is in sales. They may not realize it but they are.

The sales guys that make you cringe are the left arm on right shoulder mouth breathing, headphone wearing, new pros of the sales world.

The GOAT sales guys (are often Gals ftr) are the good for the game, bringing value and helping people solve problems and meeting needs.

They are the technical or commercial experts that help you sort though the noise. Yes there are NITs in sales. Most of the time what is being sold is something people want or need. I cringed at sales guys to when I first got started. Figuring out sales is not a four letter word was one of the best things to happen to me in my career.

You would KILL the right type of sales gig.
I would have to believe in the product/service and respect the customer. Then yeah, you are right.

I just wasn't picturing ^^^ when I replied. I prob shouldn't have generalized. Thanks.
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Old 03-05-2019, 08:06 AM   #6681
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This is all gold, especially the bolded. I'm in sales and there's nothing more painful than engaging with bad sales reps.

Selling is a skill that at the highest levels is a mix of empathy, psychology, leadership, honesty and clear communication. I'm two years into a enterprise-level sales position and I feel like I'm learning how to sell all over again.

Some previously-learned skills carried over to the new job. Others didn't (but it doesn't mean they're not valid). But the one constant is: give a customer a little of what they want, a lot of what they need, and always be listening for both.

That doesn't sound scummy to me - I think it's a pretty solid mantra for business and life. And based on that definition, I think DGAF would do very well in sales given what I know from this thread and the podcasts.
Thanks. And I didn't mean to **** on sales people. Honestly, I was posting from The Abyss and just being a little negative. I respect sales people in general.
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Old 03-05-2019, 08:14 AM   #6682
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This. I've been reading this thread forever and it's given my so much that when I saw your NGNF hats I bought one for a guy I'm kind of friends with just to give something back to you. Whenever your book comes out I'll be buying that too.

I imagine many others feel the same way about what you've contributed over the years and are just waiting to give you some money.
Thank you. I plan to work on/finish the book soon and then have Ben Saxton (awesome poker writer) edit it.

I greatly appreciate your support/patronage. I believe the number of people like you is smaller than you think though (not complaining at all, just saying). A lot of people tell me they love the pod or whatever and won't leave a review <-- the only thing I ask of avid listeners. Idk.
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Old 03-05-2019, 08:20 AM   #6683
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+1. DGAF, can you give us a teaser and tell us at what % approximately is the book in the process being finished?
I think it's ~ 60% done.

I started writing it on tilt after a session (bad idea) and I over-edited pretty much all of what I have so far. Also, the premise revolves around the rise of variance in poker, something that almost no one wants to acknowledge ime.

Anyways, I plan to work on it now that basketball season has ended. Hopefully it will be out in a few months? Thanks.
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Old 03-05-2019, 08:25 AM   #6684
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I couldn't disagree with you more on it not being a choice. I understand where you're coming from, but rationalizing that you don't have a choice is just a cop out imo.

So you watched one session of poker and variance did what it does in the short term, it doesn't really *mean* anything, because the long term is what matters (yes I know some people run better or worse than others, but again, its out of our control)

I'm glad you're focusing on #17 on your to do list. That is something you can control!

On an aside note, I got hit by the doom switch a few times playing online ( and live), to the point where I was questioning everything, yadda yadda. So I started going back in poker tracker and going through the hands that were over 15BB's. I put every hand in a category. Cooler, Bad Beat, or Tilt. I honestly thought that I tilted very little, and that it would be about 5-10% of my losses, but I was alarmed and surprised to find that it was responsible for at least 33% of my losses, maybe more.

It would be very hard to convince me that whenever someone ends up in the Abyss, its not affected by stone cold tilt to some extent. In live poker, I believe that the subtle side of tilt can last a long time, because it takes so long for a bad swing to right itself. You can find yourself subtley gambling it up in marginal spots for months trying to "get unstuck" or whatever. Just so you can get the bad taste out of your mouth. But the reality is, you're the one putting the bad taste in your mouth in the first place. I think a lot of people are in serious denial of their mental game leaks, because they're harder to see.

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Thanks for the love. Happy to disagree. You say "potato", I say "variance". All good.

edit: I'm back on my weekly posting schedule. See y'all in a week. Thanks for the support.
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Old 03-06-2019, 02:12 AM   #6685
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i would start this mix with you, now you just gotta find 7 more idiots. i almost played in that 5/5 mix a couple weeks ago but the start time was just so wacky/late/random that i didn't make the drive.

also 2-7 drawmaha seems to be getting popular, ppl were playing 50-100 100bb cap of it shorthanded or tossing it into 2/4+ mixes w short rotations. we played it limit, i can sorta see the appeal for bigbet version but i'm not there yet. opening hand ranges seem so linear/tied together but maybe i'm missing some nuances.
It's unfortunate that there is very little interest in an ante holdem game or big bet mix in our area, especially as a regular thing. Played in a GOAT 10/25/50 nlhe/PLO game last week that I'd love to play every day, unfortunately it was just one of those things that happened because all the stars aligned and there's no way to recreate the conditions. I asked at Jamul that day a few weeks ago about starting a mixed game or even something as simple as Big O and was told they didn't have the license or capable dealers to do anything like that. They opened up a room destined to fail with nothing to entice players of any type to visit the cardroom let alone be a regular. It's a shame since the drive wasn't too bad and I really liked the bar area.

I heard they were playing pot limit drawmaha at Commerce but thought it was the high version. If straight PL drawmaha games became a regular thing I'd probably move back to LA temporarily. Both 2-7 and high drawmaha are cool as pot limit games but I pretty strongly prefer high.



Currently already hate March which is ridiculous since February was quite nice to me. Turned +600bb into -200bb yesterday mostly thanks to a failed river crai bluff running into cry call top of range instead of the snap fold portion of his range he was heavily weighted toward to lose an ~1100bb pot. Happy with the bluff, unhappy with the result. Might actually be the largest bb pot I've ever played at $20+bb poker. I guess it's only fitting that the guy that always has it would be bluffing there.
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Old 03-06-2019, 02:38 AM   #6686
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Thank you. I plan to work on/finish the book soon and then have Ben Saxton (awesome poker writer) edit it.

I greatly appreciate your support/patronage. I believe the number of people like you is smaller than you think though (not complaining at all, just saying). A lot of people tell me they love the pod or whatever and won't leave a review <-- the only thing I ask of avid listeners. Idk.
I was one of the laggards about leaving a review, mainly because I was listening on DGAF's blog site, and no review function there. I tried listening on ITunes and review function is right there in case anyone has a similar excuse.
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Old 03-06-2019, 02:46 AM   #6687
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I was one of the laggards about leaving a review, mainly because I was listening on DGAF's blog site, and no review function there. I tried listening on ITunes and review function is right there in case anyone has a similar excuse.
I tunes review worked just fine for me also a few weeks ago. Seriously, anyone who enjoys this thread absolutely has to give DGAF's "Sessions" podcast a listen. It's the real deal.
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Old 03-06-2019, 03:24 AM   #6688
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I tunes review worked just fine for me also a few weeks ago. Seriously, anyone who enjoys this thread absolutely has to give DGAF's "Sessions" podcast a listen. It's the real deal.
Aye, Sessions is the stone cold nuts. Am behind AF due to life. In conclusion: phuck life

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Old 03-06-2019, 03:57 AM   #6689
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Ive tried to write a review twice on my phone through the podcast app and the itunes store app and I cant figure it out.

It should be easier? I usually dont struggle with technical things....


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Old 03-06-2019, 04:39 AM   #6690
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Never mind. I guess you have to scroll all the way down on the page that shows the episodes in the podcast app.

Done!


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Old 03-06-2019, 10:43 AM   #6691
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@dgaf
I just heard the podcast where the guy who owes you 5600 doesn't want to pay and says he won't pay as he sits in 5/10 nl

That makes me sick
I hate being ripped off
It's really not the money it's the principle
And then to top it off in your case you can use the money

I hope you get someone who breaks his legs and then he pays up
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Old 03-06-2019, 11:13 AM   #6692
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Old 03-06-2019, 07:27 PM   #6693
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Nothing makes me feel worse about poker than playing bad since the quality of my play is one of the only things I have control over. I don't mind playing "bad" in some games since it's a very deliberate part of my strategy in being in good games and staying in good games but I have just been the worst version of myself that I can remember in recent memory in spots where there was no reason to make the decisions I made. Made 2 terrible blunders last night, one in a pot I won there I made the 2nd worst possible decision on the river of the 4 available to me (the worst possible decision would have been folding 55 on 53235), and the other where I took the worst possible line against a strong player which opened the window for me to be a hero and make a great fold but instead just made the worst possible play on the river after choosing the worst possible postflop line. Was also the worst version of myself Friday as an obnoxious drunk but at least I think I actually played well in the poker game.

I suppose the good news is I recognize the issue and it's something I'm capable of addressing and fixing immediately.
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Old 03-07-2019, 12:31 AM   #6694
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Just got back from bowling. Hit me up when you are out here and you are invited.
sounds like a blast, will take you up on that within the next 24-36 months.
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Old 03-07-2019, 05:21 PM   #6695
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Someday I'll wade in here with real content. In the meantime, tho

WHERE IS THE Save the Princess stuff at Pokerrags?

Think retro, Mario-inspired, 8-bit style, a princess trapped in a tower of poker chips. GOgoGO.
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Old 03-07-2019, 06:37 PM   #6696
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Someday I'll wade in here with real content. In the meantime, tho
i generally wanna do more wading in life. in all contexts
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Old 03-07-2019, 08:43 PM   #6697
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I was listening to the Serial podcast while driving because DGAF said Sarah Koenig (the podcaster for Serial season 1) is an example of expert podíing, and she is. But when an alert came up on my phone that 4 new episodes of Sessions were available I immediately switched to that. Instead of listening to a professional journalist talk about a complicated murder case I listened to a dude talk about 3rd grade girls basketball for an hour. And it was great.

Since I care about 3rd grade girls basketball exactly 0.0, there is literally no other subject on earth I could care less about. But I thought it was one of the best podcast episodes Iíve heard. I used to coach youth sports for many years, so I connect with that part. I have nieces in youth sports so I know what itís like to care about a 9th grade girls waterpolo game for no real reason. I could also connect with the setting, which while it seemed like it might be a gym- was actually the Abyss. THATís captivating storytelling.

A captivating storyteller creates footholds of common ground for the listener that compel him or her to keep climbing. You want to get to the top. You want to see the vista.

So ya, Serial is a good podcast. But Sessions is better.
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Old 03-08-2019, 02:30 AM   #6698
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Also, just to tie together the ****tiness of losing and poker as a career. One thing that doesn't get mentioned often enough is that the glorification of risk is unbelievably bad for the individual. Poker pros are taking on insane personal risks that are usually undertaken by organizations. They have to take on the financial side of buying into games, but then also finding games, training, breakeven/losing stretches, and a slew of other things. While some thrive in that environment, a lot of the ones that fail just get kicked to the curb and forgotten and mocked.

I think we've all eaten the humble pie here. In the grand scheme of things, even if they are insufferable game-worsening nits, anyone putting up the money to sit down deserves some respect
Yes. I agree with DGAF when he says professional poker is without question at least a "soft hustle" and that it's "far from noble." But at the same time I strongly disagree with some of the guys out there ****tting on the pros like it's a joke of a profession. It's actually one of the very few professions out there where top earners have significant skin in the game (i.e. when negative variance happens, they take a personal hit). This can't be said of many/most jobs that the haters would think were respectable (e.g. many/most high-level finance jobs, corporate positions, high-level medical professions, and these days even many high level military positions). Nassim Taleb makes convincing arguments that only when someone takes on a symmetrical risk distribution are his actions ethical, and notes professional gamblers among one of the few professions he finds respectable. Also recommend his "Fooled By Randomness" book for all you guys obsessed with seeing the reality of variance.
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Yes. I agree with DGAF when he says professional poker is without question at least a "soft hustle" and that it's "far from noble." But at the same time I strongly disagree with some of the guys out there ****tting on the pros like it's a joke of a profession. It's actually one of the very few professions out there where top earners have significant skin in the game (i.e. when negative variance happens, they take a personal hit). This can't be said of many/most jobs that the haters would think were respectable (e.g. many/most high-level finance jobs, corporate positions, high-level medical professions, and these days even many high level military positions). Nassim Taleb makes convincing arguments that only when someone takes on a symmetrical risk distribution are his actions ethical, and notes professional gamblers among one of the few professions he finds respectable. Also recommend his "Fooled By Randomness" book for all you guys obsessed with seeing the reality of variance.
Any business owner has significant skin in the game.

Fooled by randomness is great.

@dgaf

great point on how pros don't have common sense
If an exploitable reg is good for the game bc the whale wants to play with them you don't go after them. it seems simple but most dont get it.

just like regs get into 3 betting wars with each other when the game as a few vips who will play 90 percent of their hands for a single raise but won't cold call 3 bets often.
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Old 03-08-2019, 07:49 AM   #6700
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Yeah wasn't trying to exclude entrepreneurs/small business owners. They are way more respectable since they are also providing major value when they succeed (usually). Was just pointing out that poker pros (not necessarily the ones that have Mommy and Daddy as backers) are more respectable then many seem to want to give credit. Still far from noble like DGAF says, and a bad life choice for most, but definitely more respectable then many other "respected professions" in society.
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