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Old 03-01-2019, 04:27 AM   #6651
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@ sarganaga thx for the idea but I'm way too idealistic to be a salesman. Most salesman make me cringe. No idea why that is the case lol.

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I was looking for pod recs itt last night and realized I have slept some posts that asked me questions. My bad.

Moving forward, anyone who starts a post off with @dgaf (like borg did) will get a reply.

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@worldbofree it's not a choice to focus on variance or not. It's something that can't be unseen once it's been seen. Also there is no way to properly evaluate play without acknowledging equity realized/not realized, etc.

Side note: I just watched a bunch of hours of the million dollar cash game on LATB. It was basically a portrait of variance and the effects of running good or bad imo. You can rep the big hands when you have been turning them over. You are going to play passively when you keep getting shown the nuts. Some are just going to run garbage. Some are just going to make the best hand (or get the right run-outs) over and over. It's mind-boggling--still.

For me to watch that **** and not mentally note all the strokes of luck (in both directions) as they happen would be like if your guitarist was out of tune for a show and I was like, "Just ignore it, man."

Having said that, keep the discussion going (I don't disagree with what you are saying, I just think it's very grey) and I hope you are doing well.
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Old 03-01-2019, 06:30 AM   #6652
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Exit Strategy

This post is for me… But of course I hope it will help others as well.

Back in early 2008 a poker vet pulled me aside at Ocean’s 11 Casino. He said, “I see you winning everyday and I’m happy for you. I know you do this for a living… I am going to say something to you right now that you will not understand. It will make no sense to you. You are the best player in here by a mile and I’m sure you will do well when you move to Vegas too. But, if you are smart, you will start planning your exit strategy from poker NOW. At some point you will burn out, you won’t want to spend your time in a casino, maybe your luck will get really bad… You NEED to start working on your exit strategy NOW.”

This poker vet was being cool. Maybe him giving me that speech—even though it all but fell upon deaf ears/he likely knew it would—was his way of getting some meaning out of his career. He had been playing poker for a living since way before the boom. He was probably bright eyed and bushy-tailed and making the best hand all the time at one point too. And then he likely just burned out/stopped getting all those winning hands. And then he wanted out—but it was too late. He was stuck in poker.

I’m stuck in poker too. But that’s not what this post is about. I already have my exit strategy from poker in place:

1. Grind the video game Sessions until I pass all the levels and save the Princess.
2. Never be too generous/careless with money again.
3. Document my story in my poker podcast.
4. Keep my 2k thread going by posting once a week (Tuesdays).
5. Keep working on my clothing company/startup whenever I have time.
6. Finish my ****ing book (my bad to all those who have pre-ordered).
7. Make my blog site better/a nice home for all my projects.
8. Keep my advice podcast going.
9. Do as much side forensics work as I can while it’s there.
10. Coach my kids in basketball ONLY.
11. Have 1 night each week where I have fun (usually bowling).
12. Keep my circle tight with people who reciprocate my love ONLY.
13. Take lots of naps.
14. Exercise often.
15. Eat reasonably healthy.
16. Drink all the pain away whenever need be.
17. Work on my poker game whenever I have time.

(Wow, I literally just posted my exit strategy from poker right after stating, “that’s not what this post is about.”)

This post is about my exit strategy from The Abyss…

When you can’t do any right at the poker table, you seemingly never end up with the winning hand (at least in any meaningful pots), you know the bad luck is coming every time—and then it does, over and over and over and over, WHAT… THE… ****…DO…YOU…DO?

I’ve already described The Abyss well enough itt. I’ve never offered any solution to it though. Other than just waiting until God loves you again, what else is there?

Well, I’m going to stay in my catatonic, “Why me?”, “How is this **** possible?”, “What the **** am I going to do for money?” state for one more night. You have to let the bad **** in life wash over you for the appropriate amount of time. That’s just the way it is…

I haven’t been anywhere near myself for weeks. I don’t recall when exactly I realized I was in The Abyss again (sometime during this stretch of losing 10/14 sessions for all my bankroll), but I realized it a while ago and it hasn’t been fun—for me, or those who have to be around me (my circle).

So what am I going to do about it? Buy a lucky shirt? Sleep with a black chick (someone told me that works back in 2004 when I ran like **** but I never experimented—allegedly)?

Nah…

I’m going to focus on #17 on the list above until I play another session… I have some money in a checking account for my kids that = about 3 lives at level 1 of the video game. I have borrowed it and paid it back a million times. It’s not a big deal (even though it always feels like one to me). I’m the one who put the money in there and it’s separate from their college funds. Anyways, I’m gonna borrow it again soon, cross my ****ing fingers (actually I won’t, I‘ll just go play) and then I’ll just see what happens. I’ll let you know if it makes any difference/works out.

Or you can just listen to the pod.
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Old 03-01-2019, 12:48 PM   #6653
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I love listening to Sessions. It used to tilt me, but now it just amuses me, how frequently and callously you misuse the word sip.

I am rooting for you to run it back up.
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Old 03-01-2019, 01:45 PM   #6654
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@DGAF I cannot speak to your poker woes, other than to say that it hits me in the gut when you reveal that you lost a session on your podcast. I so badly am rooting for you.

I can speak to the book thing. I make my living writing, publishing, etc. My wife does as well. Between us, we have decades of experience.

You have to just write and then put it out. DO NOT over-edit. DO NOT become a perfectionist.

This is my opinion, based on years of experience and also helping many writers and would-be writers. Whatever level your writing is at, it is not going to get that much better with a lot of editing.

In fact, it may get worse.

Right now, if I sit down and write for an hour, whatever I come up with in that short timeframe will be better than what a beginning writer can do, even if they have days and months to edit and edit and rework their piece.

I'm just better. I am certain you feel the same way when it comes to the things you are skilled at. More time and more energy will only slow you down and put undue pressure on your shoulders.

GET THE BOOK OUT. And then forget about it and start writing the next piece. I've read all of your blog posts, and listened to all of your sessions podcasts. You are a very good writer, more talented than me for sure.

But if you do not put your stuff into the world, and you become overly fixated on perfection, you will not get the success I think you deserve. I know it's tough to change ingrained habits, and many writers will contradict me. But I also know that I'm right.

Best of luck! I will root for you either way!!

Edited to add: My recommendation would be, set a realistic deadline and finish the draft of your book in one pass. Take another pass, read through the entire book and fix glaring errors. Do not do major rewrites. Cut what needs cutting. Send to a trusted person (editor, copyeditor, whatever) and have them only fix glaring errors and typos. This should be very quick. It should not be a developmental edit in any sense of the word. Once they send back to you, you PUBLISH.
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Old 03-01-2019, 04:39 PM   #6655
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I love listening to Sessions. It used to tilt me, but now it just amuses me, how frequently and callously you misuse the word sip.

I am rooting for you to run it back up.
Ha, I'm honored that you used one of your 38 posts SINCE 2005 for this- sincerely. I'm on the fence about looking up whether or not "sip" is only a verb. It might ruin my life if I have to stop using it every time I need some coffee or beer or wine to get me through a story/rant.
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@DGAF I cannot speak to your poker woes, other than to say that it hits me in the gut when you reveal that you lost a session on your podcast. I so badly am rooting for you.

I can speak to the book thing. I make my living writing, publishing, etc. My wife does as well. Between us, we have decades of experience.

You have to just write and then put it out. DO NOT over-edit. DO NOT become a perfectionist.

This is my opinion, based on years of experience and also helping many writers and would-be writers. Whatever level your writing is at, it is not going to get that much better with a lot of editing.

In fact, it may get worse.

Right now, if I sit down and write for an hour, whatever I come up with in that short timeframe will be better than what a beginning writer can do, even if they have days and months to edit and edit and rework their piece.

I'm just better. I am certain you feel the same way when it comes to the things you are skilled at. More time and more energy will only slow you down and put undue pressure on your shoulders.

GET THE BOOK OUT. And then forget about it and start writing the next piece. I've read all of your blog posts, and listened to all of your sessions podcasts. You are a very good writer, more talented than me for sure.

But if you do not put your stuff into the world, and you become overly fixated on perfection, you will not get the success I think you deserve. I know it's tough to change ingrained habits, and many writers will contradict me. But I also know that I'm right.

Best of luck! I will root for you either way!!

Edited to add: My recommendation would be, set a realistic deadline and finish the draft of your book in one pass. Take another pass, read through the entire book and fix glaring errors. Do not do major rewrites. Cut what needs cutting. Send to a trusted person (editor, copyeditor, whatever) and have them only fix glaring errors and typos. This should be very quick. It should not be a developmental edit in any sense of the word. Once they send back to you, you PUBLISH.
Greatly appreciated. I totally agree. Such a challenge for me to not be a perfectionist when it comes to writing a book or recording music--even though I know that's dumb/over editing is bad.

I will get this book out and let the next one flow properly.

That's why I like podcasting so much. I know I'm not gonna edit (I think it would detract from the relaxing nature of it) and that feels amazing.

Please link your publications itt. Lot of readers in here, might as well.

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Old 03-01-2019, 05:14 PM   #6657
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Any chance of ordering some merch in a tall size? I would love to buy a bunch of 3xlt and 4xlt shirts and hoodies.
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Old 03-01-2019, 08:51 PM   #6658
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went bowling recently first time in forever (drunk bowling ofc). was pretty rad i must say. i keep being mystified by why it's so hard to ****ing take down all the pins.

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Amazing how much better a holdem game can be with a nice ante in there.
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I am rooting for you to run it back up.
sip is a noun y'all.

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Old 03-01-2019, 10:10 PM   #6659
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DGAF....Last time I was in Temecula I contacted you via text. Sounded like you were busy. If you need help with the website....LMK. I’ll most likely be moving to Menifee some time this year. Cheer up and have a couple of cold ones for me.
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Old 03-02-2019, 05:18 PM   #6660
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2Xing the river with air is pretty unnatural too and you figured out how to pull the trigger. The modern age is fraught with stuff that is at odds with how your brain works. So you saddle up and show the bastard who's boss because if you don't the horse ends up riding you. I still have yet to hear anything approaching a satisfactory explanation as to how catching feels off protracted runbad is uniquely insurmountable in this respect.



Again, this is hard. Coming to the conviction that it can be done is hard. Committing to doing it is hard. Figuring out how is hard. And it gets worse. Because when the variance obsession fog starts lifting, the mental space that had been occupied by things you can't control gets occupied by the things from which it had afforded a welcome distraction. Like, for example, the fact that the tenacity that got you to the top of the mountain in the first place has atrophied into a stubbornness that is no longer doing you any favors. After that it will be something else.



And that's just how it goes. Because sharks don't tread water.

This is one of my favorite posts Iíve ever read here. The wording and the truth/cold reality behind it. Simple but very deep. Big ups to you, whoever u are!

I might have to steal that last line.

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Very much this.



imo the feeling of personal responsibility for individual sessions and even hands also ties in to something that makes live big bet poker really good, especially for people that are willing to put a lot of pressure in the right spots with a very unbalanced range. People hate making big calls and being wrong. You can see it in their faces when they call and see a winning hand. They "knew" you had it but called anyway. They'd often rather just fold and not face the embarrassment. Folding and getting shown a bluff isn't nearly as demoralizing for people. People in general are very bad at accepting that they made the right decision when they call a big bet and lose in big bet poker even if they called pot in a spot that they win 40% vs their opponents range. Conversely, in limit poker people will happily call 100% of the time on the river in a spot where they need to win 15% of the time but will actually win 5% or less of the time. The psychological nature of facing river bets in both poker types have some very nice exploitative benefits that people don't talk about much. Though this may be be largely because most live pros couldn't tell you what % they are bluffing in the first place.







Same on all counts. This is exactly why I do not have an active strategy. I see the results every 6-12 months. Sometimes they are great, usually they are decent and sometimes they are painful. But it's easier to just look at the long term graph and accept it when I am not actively participating in the result.







When I played predominately limit holdem, I think this was one of my strongest suits as a player. I feel like I was able to be very objective about my play. Not to toot my own horn but I felt like I was 10+ years ahead of most my live competition in that game and while I recognized that I often made opponent specific errors, I felt so good about my game on a fundamental level that running very poorly even for months in LHE didn't bother me nearly as much as in other games.



It's much different these days. I paid for an Upswing PLO course that I have spent a ton of time studying but the reality is that an online 6max strategy and a live 9 handed limpsprayfest strategy couldn't be much more different and I am really just throwing darts and hoping I am right while also hoping that I win. I'm fundamentally decent at most 1 winner limit games but there are a ton of games where I don't even know if I'm playing the right starting hands let alone if I'm betting them properly after choosing to play the hand. And hoping that I'm playing well against my opponents' strategies. There is such an unknown factor for me in pretty much anything but NLHE/LHE that it becomes easy to second guess the cause of my most recent batch of results. Not to mention the fact that I imagine almost all of us have the unhealthy tendency to ignore everything other than the result when things are going very well and focus our mental energy on when the results are poor. This can be very dangerous as many people have a tendency to pick up some poor habits when they are running well that they don't notice until things turn for the worse.



And without a doubt, the fact that I'm drunk in >90% of sessions isn't doing me any favors in my personal review of my own play.



This is something that is much easier to do online where you're very easily able to objectively evaluate your decisions whether it be over a single hand or your entire career. It also happens to be much easier to deal with a downswing over X hands as those X hands will probably take about 10% as long online as they would live. And for me at least, there is something less personal and frustrating about losing online where you can just log off and its over compared to a casino where you need to stand up, cash out and then drive home.







My "bankroll" is the money I have sitting in players banks and casino safe deposit boxes. My liferoll is my checking account. With very rare exception, money only goes from bankroll to liferoll. If I only played at 1 casino and within a reasonable range of stakes, it would be much more feasible for me to move money from poker roll to life roll with regularity. The reality is that my most recent session was a 25/25 full ring PLO game (that plays very big) that ended up being shorthanded 1000/2000 mix at the end of the night, and the previous session was 5/5 PLO/Big O in a game that is typically pretty tame with me often being the most willing to play big pots. The big game was a private game anyway, but even if it was public, it's not feasible or reasonable for me to have enough money to cover regularly losing in 1000/2000 in one specific location out of the half dozen locations I would be likely to play. The reality is that for games toward the top end of what I'm willing to play, it's not at all unusual that I only have 1-3 buyins in my possession at that location, even if I have 50 buyins (or whatever the limit equivalent is) in my poker roll alone for that game spread between cash and various casino chips elsewhere. For a lot of pros, this is why borrowing is so common. Unfortunately it is 2019 and you really just get what you get when it comes to poker games. Playing live $5 blind games really isn't a viable long term option and I've got very little readily available to me above that level. If I could choose my game, it would be something like 10/20 with a 20 ante holdem or like 10/20 with a 2-3k cap big bet mix. Unfortunately neither of those things exist anywhere that I'm aware of let alone where I live, so I take the games as they come to me. I've tried living in LA twice. It's not for me.



I think I kinda just rambled and didn't really address what you were saying, but if I was able to play X stakes at X casino every day, I'd be much less likely to endure a money downswing while on a unit upswing (2018 might have been my best year ever in units despite losing money) and I'd be much more likely over any given period to be able to move money out of poker.









There is no better example for how terrible humans are at accepting variance than to ask a player how he feels when he wins 1 buyin in a game that he was winning 5 buyins in at peak compared to how he feels after he loses 1 buyin in a game he was losing 5 buyins in at reverse peak. Almost without fail, the guy who is upstuck is frustrated because he didn't win enough, and the guy who lost 1 buyin feels like king of the world because he escaped a terrible session with only a minor loss.







Checking session results online mid session is the kiss of death to me. If I'm doing poorly in a session and accidentally see my balance I start seeing red and just immediately blind out. I can barely breath when I sweat a friend online and they obsessively check their balance. However, I'm not sure how relevant this is to live poker since I don't really know how a person would not know how they are doing in a session. Maybe if you are Andy from LATB and stack your chips so high and have so many of them you won't be able to guess exactly but even then you are going to notice if you lose a couple towers of antes or any meaningful amount of big chips.



That does bring me to a curious thing in a poker game, which is that my experience is that people seem to play significantly worse against people that they perceive to be winning. Back in the LHE days everyone generally bought a lot of chips but myself and a friend were often especially ridiculous and would just constantly reload to make sure we always had 4+ racks of chips in front of us. The amount of times a player would be in the game with us for an entire session, watch us lose almost every pot, and comment on how many chips we have and that we never seem to lose was remarkable. Additionally, players seemed to play much more cautiously against the lucky big stacks in a limit game. The extremely rare occasions we'd have just a few stacks of chips in front of us, they'd comment on how we were finally losing and they'd seem to play much more confidently against us.



It becomes even more extreme in big bet. I guarantee that the great pro with 50k in front of him (who is stuck 15k) in a 25/50 NL game has more fold equity against the average player with a 7k stack than the great pro with a 7k stack (who is winning 2k) has against that same opposing 7k stack.

Very good post man! Those are all very astute observations youíve picked up over the years. Found myself mentally nodding along with every single one of your points.

Sucks you donít like LA for whatever reason, it seems like the best place for you to be for poker by far.


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Old 03-02-2019, 06:39 PM   #6661
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Out of curiosity, what app do people use to track their live results? I've been using Poker Manager since I started playing live again (~2300 hours). It's not the greatest, thinking about switching to something new.
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Again, this is hard. Coming to the conviction that it can be done is hard. Committing to doing it is hard. Figuring out how is hard. And it gets worse. Because when the variance obsession fog starts lifting, the mental space that had been occupied by things you can't control gets occupied by the things from which it had afforded a welcome distraction. Like, for example, the fact that the tenacity that got you to the top of the mountain in the first place has atrophied into a stubbornness that is no longer doing you any favors. After that it will be something else.

And that's just how it goes. Because sharks don't tread water.
VG post. The bolded is really a key point for me . Tenacity that has turned into a stubborn refusal to change approaches that are no longer getting the money has doomed many a formerly successful player IME.
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dgaf, I think a journey through hell a la dante's inferno fits better as an allegory than super mario bros for poker as a profession . Welcome to the first circle of the abyss, limbo aka low stakes no limit, where dumb ****s lack the hope or imagination for something greater than their rational minds can achieve. ... Ninth circle of the abyss, treachery, where people are backstabbing each other to get into games, creating stables and coaching rings, and competing for whales. Then paradise where you're heads up against whales and free rolling with other people's money.
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dgaf, I think a journey through hell a la dante's inferno fits better as an allegory than super mario bros for poker as a profession . Welcome to the first circle of the abyss, limbo aka low stakes no limit, where dumb ****s lack the hope or imagination for something greater than their rational minds can achieve. ... Ninth circle of the abyss, treachery, where people are backstabbing each other to get into games, creating stables and coaching rings, and competing for whales. Then paradise where you're heads up against whales and free rolling with other people's money.
I thought paradise was when your powerball numbers hit.
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@ sarganaga thx for the idea but I'm way too idealistic to be a salesman. Most salesman make me cringe. No idea why that is the case lol.

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I was looking for pod recs itt last night and realized I have slept some posts that asked me questions. My bad.

Moving forward, anyone who starts a post off with @dgaf (like borg did) will get a reply.

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@worldbofree it's not a choice to focus on variance or not. It's something that can't be unseen once it's been seen. Also there is no way to properly evaluate play without acknowledging equity realized/not realized, etc.

Side note: I just watched a bunch of hours of the million dollar cash game on LATB. It was basically a portrait of variance and the effects of running good or bad imo. You can rep the big hands when you have been turning them over. You are going to play passively when you keep getting shown the nuts. Some are just going to run garbage. Some are just going to make the best hand (or get the right run-outs) over and over. It's mind-boggling--still.

For me to watch that **** and not mentally note all the strokes of luck (in both directions) as they happen would be like if your guitarist was out of tune for a show and I was like, "Just ignore it, man."

Having said that, keep the discussion going (I don't disagree with what you are saying, I just think it's very grey) and I hope you are doing well.
Just so you know you are already in sales. Everyone in business is in sales. They may not realize it but they are.

The sales guys that make you cringe are the left arm on right shoulder mouth breathing, headphone wearing, new pros of the sales world.

The GOAT sales guys (are often Gals ftr) are the good for the game, bringing value and helping people solve problems and meeting needs.

They are the technical or commercial experts that help you sort though the noise. Yes there are NITs in sales. Most of the time what is being sold is something people want or need. I cringed at sales guys to when I first got started. Figuring out sales is not a four letter word was one of the best things to happen to me in my career.

You would KILL the right type of sales gig.
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Old 03-03-2019, 05:11 PM   #6669
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Just so you know you are already in sales. Everyone in business is in sales. They may not realize it but they are.


You would KILL the right type of sales gig.
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Old 03-03-2019, 07:08 PM   #6670
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Just so you know you are already in sales. Everyone in business is in sales. They may not realize it but they are.

The sales guys that make you cringe are the left arm on right shoulder mouth breathing, headphone wearing, new pros of the sales world.

The GOAT sales guys (are often Gals ftr) are the good for the game, bringing value and helping people solve problems and meeting needs.


They are the technical or commercial experts that help you sort though the noise. Yes there are NITs in sales. Most of the time what is being sold is something people want or need. I cringed at sales guys to when I first got started. Figuring out sales is not a four letter word was one of the best things to happen to me in my career.

You would KILL the right type of sales gig.
This is all gold, especially the bolded. I'm in sales and there's nothing more painful than engaging with bad sales reps.

Selling is a skill that at the highest levels is a mix of empathy, psychology, leadership, honesty and clear communication. I'm two years into a enterprise-level sales position and I feel like I'm learning how to sell all over again.

Some previously-learned skills carried over to the new job. Others didn't (but it doesn't mean they're not valid). But the one constant is: give a customer a little of what they want, a lot of what they need, and always be listening for both.

That doesn't sound scummy to me - I think it's a pretty solid mantra for business and life. And based on that definition, I think DGAF would do very well in sales given what I know from this thread and the podcasts.
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Old 03-03-2019, 07:33 PM   #6671
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GET THE BOOK OUT. And then forget about it and start writing the next piece. I've read all of your blog posts, and listened to all of your sessions podcasts. You are a very good writer, more talented than me for sure.

But if you do not put your stuff into the world, and you become overly fixated on perfection, you will not get the success I think you deserve. I know it's tough to change ingrained habits, and many writers will contradict me. But I also know that I'm right.
This. I've been reading this thread forever and it's given my so much that when I saw your NGNF hats I bought one for a guy I'm kind of friends with just to give something back to you. Whenever your book comes out I'll be buying that too.

I imagine many others feel the same way about what you've contributed over the years and are just waiting to give you some money.
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Whenever your book comes out I'll be buying that too.
+1. DGAF, can you give us a teaser and tell us at what % approximately is the book in the process being finished?
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Old 03-04-2019, 05:48 PM   #6673
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Out of curiosity, what app do people use to track their live results? I've been using Poker Manager since I started playing live again (~2300 hours). It's not the greatest, thinking about switching to something new.


RunGood seems to be the app of choice, stop fishing.


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@worldbofree it's not a choice to focus on variance or not. It's something that can't be unseen once it's been seen. Also there is no way to properly evaluate play without acknowledging equity realized/not realized, etc.

Side note: I just watched a bunch of hours of the million dollar cash game on LATB. It was basically a portrait of variance and the effects of running good or bad imo. You can rep the big hands when you have been turning them over. You are going to play passively when you keep getting shown the nuts. Some are just going to run garbage. Some are just going to make the best hand (or get the right run-outs) over and over. It's mind-boggling--still.

For me to watch that **** and not mentally note all the strokes of luck (in both directions) as they happen would be like if your guitarist was out of tune for a show and I was like, "Just ignore it, man."

Having said that, keep the discussion going (I don't disagree with what you are saying, I just think it's very grey) and I hope you are doing well.
I couldn't disagree with you more on it not being a choice. I understand where you're coming from, but rationalizing that you don't have a choice is just a cop out imo.

So you watched one session of poker and variance did what it does in the short term, it doesn't really *mean* anything, because the long term is what matters (yes I know some people run better or worse than others, but again, its out of our control)

I'm glad you're focusing on #17 on your to do list. That is something you can control!

On an aside note, I got hit by the doom switch a few times playing online ( and live), to the point where I was questioning everything, yadda yadda. So I started going back in poker tracker and going through the hands that were over 15BB's. I put every hand in a category. Cooler, Bad Beat, or Tilt. I honestly thought that I tilted very little, and that it would be about 5-10% of my losses, but I was alarmed and surprised to find that it was responsible for at least 33% of my losses, maybe more.

It would be very hard to convince me that whenever someone ends up in the Abyss, its not affected by stone cold tilt to some extent. In live poker, I believe that the subtle side of tilt can last a long time, because it takes so long for a bad swing to right itself. You can find yourself subtley gambling it up in marginal spots for months trying to "get unstuck" or whatever. Just so you can get the bad taste out of your mouth. But the reality is, you're the one putting the bad taste in your mouth in the first place. I think a lot of people are in serious denial of their mental game leaks, because they're harder to see.

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If I could choose my game, it would be something like 10/20 with a 20 ante holdem or like 10/20 with a 2-3k cap big bet mix. Unfortunately neither of those things exist anywhere that I'm aware of let alone where I live, so I take the games as they come to me.
i would start this mix with you, now you just gotta find 7 more idiots. i almost played in that 5/5 mix a couple weeks ago but the start time was just so wacky/late/random that i didn't make the drive.

(back to my self ban... not doing a good job of it but i cant help but check my five favorite threads like once a week for the dopamine hit)

commerce's 1/2 was such a fun mix a couple weekends ago, like 20 games and five of em were 50/50 dead 50 bb ante 2k cap games (but 2/7sd was 50-100 dead 100 btn 2k cap for some dumb reason). even tho there were too many silent russians, it was still such a nice breath of fresh air compared to the usual poker games.

also 2-7 drawmaha seems to be getting popular, ppl were playing 50-100 100bb cap of it shorthanded or tossing it into 2/4+ mixes w short rotations. we played it limit, i can sorta see the appeal for bigbet version but i'm not there yet. opening hand ranges seem so linear/tied together but maybe i'm missing some nuances.
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