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Old 12-14-2018, 11:05 AM   #5951
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Re: 2k- a poker story (wtmfl;dr obv)

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This post made me laugh...in a good way. I agree with most of it.

I will say that not every grinder is a delusional d-bag with a "smug" attitude. I got into poker way after the boom, in 2014. I actually was a LOL 1/3 professional for a few years before moving up to 2/5.

I did my due diligence and studied 2+2 everyday and I never had some weird poker dream that I would get "rich" from poker. I knew that 100k a year was possible and that was fine with me and way more money than the job market would offer.

I guess since I came AFTER the boom I am a little less bearish than most in this thread. Some of you guys were used to making very easy money. I never had that opportunity.

Ime, it feels like very easy money NOW. I kind of get the idea at how soft the games had to have been when I watch episodes of High Stakes poker, where the "best players in the world" were making classic cash game mistakes, and they were supposedly the best at the time.

But when you say the poker dream is a "fraud". By whose standards? Was it YOU that was expecting to get rich and become a multimillionaire from it?

Im sorry the higher stakes games have shrunken. But did you really expect people to keep dumping and losing $100 + an hour and have that be sustainable?

And it gets a little condescending that I will be accused of being a "sun runner" just because I can beat live 2/5 and have been a pro for 4 years now. Yes, I need to make big hands in order to win. But I also lose the minimum when I am running bad. And I (normally) don't tilt bluff non-thinking passive stations. Plus, I fold. Cant survive full ring NL if you don't have a fold button.
no i never expected to get rich from poker.
i've made way more money than i have thought i would from poker.
i also saved/invested my poker boom money bc i knew it wouldn't last forever while most winning players from back then blew there's.
i NEVER thought the great times were sustainable.

i didnt say you're a sun runner.i said it's hard for a 1/2 nl player to move up in stakes quickly without running like the sun purely from poker.

the poker dream is a fraud - as in what many people think poker is like- all riches and glory. so many people are chasing that.

if you're good with beating 2/5 nl for a nice wage and you're realalistic with what you can make that's great.

but so many players see someone on a huge heater, especially in torunametns and think that can be them.they're in 1/2 nl now but think with hard work etc they'll be playing 50/100 nl in a few years. yea not happening.they don't think about downswings, getting sick/old, investing for the future etc. most "name" players are broke frauds and many are thieves. i have no delusions of grandeur. i know what reality is in the poker world.
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Old 12-14-2018, 08:24 PM   #5952
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how many people playing $2-5 are playing it without nearly enough money for it? the reason i ask is because many come to vegas with only like $5000 and think its "enough" and end up broke, and getting a dealing job. people make fun of me for refusing to play it without a roll of at least 25000, which i finally got for the first time in over 2 years 2 days ago and yet i still playing $1-2 today and yesterday. will try more $2-5 very soon.

i have no idea how much most 2-5 players actually have. they certainly appear to have way way more than 25k because they have like 1000-2000 in front of them, and only an idiot would have that much in the game unless they have a roll of about 40-50x times that wouldnt u think? but if most 2-5 players are really this deeprolled why do they constantly think im weird for sticking to 1-2 without at least 25k?
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Old 12-14-2018, 09:06 PM   #5953
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how many people playing $2-5 are playing it without nearly enough money for it? the reason i ask is because many come to vegas with only like $5000 and think its "enough" and end up broke, and getting a dealing job. people make fun of me for refusing to play it without a roll of at least 25000, which i finally got for the first time in over 2 years 2 days ago and yet i still playing $1-2 today and yesterday. will try more $2-5 very soon.

i have no idea how much most 2-5 players actually have. they certainly appear to have way way more than 25k because they have like 1000-2000 in front of them, and only an idiot would have that much in the game unless they have a roll of about 40-50x times that wouldnt u think? but if most 2-5 players are really this deeprolled why do they constantly think im weird for sticking to 1-2 without at least 25k?
I dont think you're weird for not playing bigger than 1/2 nl
You're proving my point about how hard it is to move up in 2018 purely through poker
And I agree there are lots of idiots with 10-20 buy ins to their name as their entire net worth,no job no health insurance etc who are begging to go broke

I've seen tons of guys playing 5/10 nl with maybe 30k to their names
When they run hot they think it last forever
When they run horrible guess what-they play like ****.lets say someone loses half of that
How well do you think someone is gonna play knowing if they repeat they're current downswing they have 0 dollars left?

Theresa reson over the years I've seen TONS of players playing in big games who six months later are back in 1/2 nl never to he heard from again and it's not just poker talent

With that said you also do incredibly dumb **** like play machines or think you can count cards and win in blackjack when you don't remotely have the roll/disipline for it

Yes you won't play 2/5 nl bc of bankroll considerations but you'll fire huge in blackjack when you're stuck and tilted because the count is positive
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Old 12-14-2018, 09:11 PM   #5954
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how many people playing $2-5 are playing it without nearly enough money for it? the reason i ask is because many come to vegas with only like $5000 and think its "enough" and end up broke, and getting a dealing job. people make fun of me for refusing to play it without a roll of at least 25000, which i finally got for the first time in over 2 years 2 days ago and yet i still playing $1-2 today and yesterday. will try more $2-5 very soon.

i have no idea how much most 2-5 players actually have. they certainly appear to have way way more than 25k because they have like 1000-2000 in front of them, and only an idiot would have that much in the game unless they have a roll of about 40-50x times that wouldnt u think? but if most 2-5 players are really this deeprolled why do they constantly think im weird for sticking to 1-2 without at least 25k?
I'm certainly not an authority on the bankrolls everyone maintains but my guess is that you have a considerably larger roll than most 2/5 $500 cap grinders.

Most poker players just do the bare minimum to get by...ie keep just enough money that it's not likely they go broke, put in the minimum hours, and spend their winnings when they run hot (not to mention all the vices players have). For most 2/5 grinders, the -$25k doomswitch will never be activated so there is no incentive to maintain a $25k roll. Plus, if they go broke they can just get staked, which many of the grinders in Vegas are, and/or move down in level.

In regards to the guys that go to Vegas with $5k. Most them are both underrolled and terrible at poker. If I recall correctly Trooper went to Vegas with like $2k and was paying to live in hotels on the strip. This is the mentality a lot of these players. They just come to Vegas with a dream and little else to help them achieve that dream.

You should play 2/5 whenever you feel comfortable doing so. Other people's opinion is pretty irrelevant. Some players like to take aggressive shots at higher levels and other players are more risk adverse. Neither is necessarily wrong, IMO.
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Old 12-15-2018, 02:46 AM   #5955
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I'm certainly not an authority on the bankrolls everyone maintains but my guess is that you have a considerably larger roll than most 2/5 $500 cap grinders.

Most poker players just do the bare minimum to get by...ie keep just enough money that it's not likely they go broke, put in the minimum hours, and spend their winnings when they run hot (not to mention all the vices players have). For most 2/5 grinders, the -$25k doomswitch will never be activated so there is no incentive to maintain a $25k roll. Plus, if they go broke they can just get staked, which many of the grinders in Vegas are, and/or move down in level.

In regards to the guys that go to Vegas with $5k. Most them are both underrolled and terrible at poker. If I recall correctly Trooper went to Vegas with like $2k and was paying to live in hotels on the strip. This is the mentality a lot of these players. They just come to Vegas with a dream and little else to help them achieve that dream.

You should play 2/5 whenever you feel comfortable doing so. Other people's opinion is pretty irrelevant. Some players like to take aggressive shots at higher levels and other players are more risk adverse. Neither is necessarily wrong, IMO.
Sometimes the issue is not just the bankroll, but the actual skill level. Due to having had a chance to play in some of the softest and most action packed 2 5 games in the country, buying pieces of certain players who binked tourneys as well as having solid income outside of poker I accumulated a solid six digit poker bankroll. However, while I am fully rolled to play 5 10NL; I am a man enough to admit I do not have a considerable edge in that game these days unless the lineup is particularly soft. So, I play 2 5 and occasionally even 1 2 when 2 5 action seems slow. Tony, I would not be surprised if the same applied to you as far as 2 5 goes.
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Old 12-15-2018, 06:23 PM   #5956
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Back in my day people were moving up to 10/20 and 20/40 NL with 20k rolls and playing 400/800 limit daily with less than 100k to their name and no certainty of being able to get more money.

Now folks think you need 50k to play a game with a Subway footlong sandwich big blind.

Guess nobody these days has read or believes in The Blade's big book of bankroll management. 2 buyins is all you need baby.

Anyway, in all seriousness, I'd guess that less than 10% of guys playing 5/10 and lower live NL professionally have an accessible poker roll of >30k.

Poker players aren't good with money. I was significantly better with money and at poker than average and still played myself to exactly $0 poker roll by the end of 2012, although that was partially a life happens thing and I sort of just allowed it to happen. Thankfully I was not so stupid as to not have money to fall back on spread out between a handful of things. Most poker players are that stupid. And they don't have the patience/skill to rebuild, and in my case the willingness to seek out help to learn how to play NL holdem well since it was the only feasible way to get back into poker for me at the time.

Going busto and basically ruining my life was honestly a great learning experience. Having it happen after Black Friday was even better because it forced me to start at small stakes or microstakes, whatever .25/.50 NL is considered and get fundamentally good at the game at the time that solvers were first coming around. And as it turns out, being forced into that approach to poker in NL is extremely valuable for all games.

Most people probably wouldn't look at going broke the same way. Pretty sure they just go broke and say **** my life I'm the unluckiest and maybe hang around poker somehow or maybe not. Either way they don't learn much from it or make themselves better because of it.
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Old 12-15-2018, 06:49 PM   #5957
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Back in my day people were moving up to 10/20 and 20/40 NL with 20k rolls and playing 400/800 limit daily with less than 100k to their name and no certainty of being able to get more money.

Now folks think you need 50k to play a game with a Subway footlong sandwich big blind.

Guess nobody these days has read or believes in The Blade's big book of bankroll management. 2 buyins is all you need baby.

Anyway, in all seriousness, I'd guess that less than 10% of guys playing 5/10 and lower live NL professionally have an accessible poker roll of >30k.

Poker players aren't good with money. I was significantly better with money and at poker than average and still played myself to exactly $0 poker roll by the end of 2012, although that was partially a life happens thing and I sort of just allowed it to happen. Thankfully I was not so stupid as to not have money to fall back on spread out between a handful of things. Most poker players are that stupid. And they don't have the patience/skill to rebuild, and in my case the willingness to seek out help to learn how to play NL holdem well since it was the only feasible way to get back into poker for me at the time.

Going busto and basically ruining my life was honestly a great learning experience. Having it happen after Black Friday was even better because it forced me to start at small stakes or microstakes, whatever .25/.50 NL is considered and get fundamentally good at the game at the time that solvers were first coming around. And as it turns out, being forced into that approach to poker in NL is extremely valuable for all games.

Most people probably wouldn't look at going broke the same way. Pretty sure they just go broke and say **** my life I'm the unluckiest and maybe hang around poker somehow or maybe not. Either way they don't learn much from it or make themselves better because of it.
right and the vast majority of those people are dead broke today.i'd totally agree that most players at 5/10 nl and below have less than 30k- and i think a great deal of them are utterly insane. it's also why these people have a bad month and lose their ****, have to drop down etc. i don't even play huge - a 5k buy in is my biggest game 99% of the time and usually more like 2-3k. I've had winning and losing months of 30k (rare but they happen) and while 30k leaves a nice vomit taste in my mouth when i lose it, it's not going to affect my life.you definitely play way bigger than me.

now i've seen super nose bleed games occasionally that look amazing.but those i can't afford. i've seen 50/100 games where everyone has 20k+. but when i look at the lineups they're almost always one whale guy and 8 killers. possibly all 8 better than me (**** ego!) So yea maybe I have a small edge but those guys who are mostly if not all better than me don't exactly make it easy to get the whale's money. We all have a ceiling in poker, and there are definitely a lot of people way better than me as the stakes get higher.

in 2/5 -5/10 plo games,i'm generally the best or second best player at the table. if a real special guest is in the game maybe a killer or 2 drop down but i still have a big edge. in 10/20 plo i can be anywhere from the best (rare) to third or fourth. beyond that it's probably not a game worth playing in for me.to top it off it's such a huge edge being super comfortable in the game you're in financially. if i play some really big game, besides a whale or two, the pros are all/almost all better than me and they're super comfortable in the game where i'm not. in the games i play in i'm super comfortable financially and a lot of players are not and make terrible folds, play too passively, tilt when they lose a big pot especially if they were ahead etc.


nice job by you going broke, rebuilding and improving your game. but honestly if i went broke i'd quit poker. there is no way i could start at the bottom and build it up to where it is today. so while for you it may be the best thing that ever happened to you- if it happened to me i'd be where 99.9% of poker players who went broke went- still broke!

you're 100% right on most poker players not being good with money. i guess i'm weird or ****ed up bc i am.i also tend to see things differently than a lot of people in poker. for example most pros run it twice, some will even beg like dogs for it. i absolutely will not. and usually when a pro won't it's bc he's a super lag crusher and wants fold equity. i'm definitely not a super lag.

i've heard players discussing their rolls with friends or stakers and often think they're insane to play the games they've played. i've seen guys take shots in 25/50 or 50/100 games with 5-10 % of what i have to my name. i think they're crazy. i've even told a few guys i'm friendly with i think the game is too big for them.
move forward a few years and these guys are playing way smaller than me and some of them are even short stacking.one guy in particular i've seen around vegas min buying 1/2 plo. 2-3 years ago he took some shots in 25/50 plo games- and that went the way one would expect.

there are a lot of cautionary tales in poker rooms. use them!
you (not you personally sean- you in general) don't want to be the 50 year old guy trying to pay his rent in 1/2 nl with dust in the bank.
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Old 12-15-2018, 08:42 PM   #5958
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Agree with basically all of this

Among the money I still had spread around when my poker roll hit $0 was some cash that I literally called my "quit poker" money. Told myself that if I ever got down to that as my only cash, I would quit poker. Turns out I lied to myself about that one :P

I've never been a big shot taker in my own eyes but other people might look at it differently. Most the shots I've taken were with amounts that old school conventional wisdom would have considered somewhere between properly rolled to over rolled to just move up. I honestly regret when I used to grind 60/120 and 100/200 limit holdem and wouldn't take 10k shots at 400/800+. I was young, didn't have anything important to protect like I do now, and could have just quickly rebuilt in great live and online games. Obviously that was a long time ago and those game conditions no longer exist. I've mentioned it before but these days I really am not looking to take any shots and would prefer to just play similar stakes daily. Poker is most peaceful for me when I am starting around the same time, playing for 8-10 hours, 3-5 days a week, the same stakes and the same game(s).

wrt running it once vs twice. I only ran it once up until late last year or early this year. My big bet poker play in games where run it twice was allowed years ago was mainly NL 2-7 single draw and occasionally NL 2-7 and PLO in mixed games. I liked the pain (and I ran good all in) and I wasn't fundamentally that great at NL 2-7 so getting people to fold was really valuable and I do believe pretty strongly that being known as a run it once guy generates folds that being a run it twice guy doesn't. The turning point for me was playing in a holdem game where I crai bluffed turn with pair+oesd against a very friendly recreational player. He tank called, asked if I would run it twice, I said I always go once, the river bricked and my hand is good. He was visually humiliated to have called an all in with a hand worse than my bluff and quit shortly after. A pro that I'm good friends with kindly suggested that I consider running it twice in some situations and I've done so since. I really dislike going twice in split pot games and multiway pots with different stack sizes but it's easier to just let people choose once or twice whenever they want than have different rules for different games/situations and have hurt feelings with people I play with regularly.
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Old 12-15-2018, 09:27 PM   #5959
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Agree with basically all of this

Among the money I still had spread around when my poker roll hit $0 was some cash that I literally called my "quit poker" money. Told myself that if I ever got down to that as my only cash, I would quit poker. Turns out I lied to myself about that one :P

I've never been a big shot taker in my own eyes but other people might look at it differently. Most the shots I've taken were with amounts that old school conventional wisdom would have considered somewhere between properly rolled to over rolled to just move up. I honestly regret when I used to grind 60/120 and 100/200 limit holdem and wouldn't take 10k shots at 400/800+. I was young, didn't have anything important to protect like I do now, and could have just quickly rebuilt in great live and online games. Obviously that was a long time ago and those game conditions no longer exist. I've mentioned it before but these days I really am not looking to take any shots and would prefer to just play similar stakes daily. Poker is most peaceful for me when I am starting around the same time, playing for 8-10 hours, 3-5 days a week, the same stakes and the same game(s).

wrt running it once vs twice. I only ran it once up until late last year or early this year. My big bet poker play in games where run it twice was allowed years ago was mainly NL 2-7 single draw and occasionally NL 2-7 and PLO in mixed games. I liked the pain (and I ran good all in) and I wasn't fundamentally that great at NL 2-7 so getting people to fold was really valuable and I do believe pretty strongly that being known as a run it once guy generates folds that being a run it twice guy doesn't. The turning point for me was playing in a holdem game where I crai bluffed turn with pair+oesd against a very friendly recreational player. He tank called, asked if I would run it twice, I said I always go once, the river bricked and my hand is good. He was visually humiliated to have called an all in with a hand worse than my bluff and quit shortly after. A pro that I'm good friends with kindly suggested that I consider running it twice in some situations and I've done so since. I really dislike going twice in split pot games and multiway pots with different stack sizes but it's easier to just let people choose once or twice whenever they want than have different rules for different games/situations and have hurt feelings with people I play with regularly.

I also wish I took more shots back when the online games were amazing but truthfully 23 or whatever year old me would not have handled losing well mentally.these days big games worth taking shots In rarely pop up but occasionally I'll take one if I see it's worth it.

As for rit-ive ran it twice maybe 5 times in the last 5 years.
All against huge fish bc they requested it.
Most of the real dumpers in my games want once or don't care.
If more of them wanted it twice I might really tilt regs bc they'd see me going twice more often but not with them


I don't like a lot of the regs I play against so I don't care if they get mad at me the once a year I'll go twice with a huge fish and not them.
Not to mention regs are who I have fold equity against not huge fish.
And a lot of regs can't afford to play in the games they're in
The sooner they go broke the better it is for me
And when the money really means something they're the ones who will tilt big

It's funny I once had someone ask me the opposite -if you were gonna run it twice would you go twice as a "professional courtesy" to other regs
I hadn't laughed so hard in a while

I've played with a few really good players who I know are better than me/make more than me but also have the gift of making the game better
I win more with them in the game

But for the vast majority of regs I'm at best indifferent towards them and have no desire to reduce THEIR variance

My desire to increase their variance far outweighs my desire to decrease my own


As for the hand you mentioned I get what you're saying-but if he couldn't beat your missed ace high or whatever he probably had like 6 outs on the second run if there was one,would have lost and been as equally embarrassed
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Thanks for chiming in. So your home casino no longer runs 5/10. Do you mostly play 2/5 now? And you’re able to make more playing 2/5 in 2018 than 5/10 in 2012? That’s incredible food for thought. Or are you playing something else or a combination of games?
I dont play at the casino that I first started at, mostly because they cant even spread 5/10 anymore, which makes being a professional player quite difficult IMO. I play mostly 5/10 and 10/20 10/25.
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the poker dream is a total fraud
i guarantee there are a lot of 1/2 grinders who are better at poker than me and it doesn't matter

glacer88's post was solid.
in 1/2 nl there are so many games and donks are gonna donk.
as you move up
1)the number of good players/pros per table massively increases
2)the number of people who can really afford to dump money tanks

So you need to be able to play good poker, be rolled for it, handle the swings,and be good for the game/have donks like you.
there are several regs in my game the fish HATE to play with for a variety of reasons (but always bc they're HORRIBLE for the game.) they either simply will leave the game when one of these hated regs sit or they will give them zero action. the hated reg can have the same exact vpip/pfr etc as me and it means nothing. i'm fun, funny will do shots with them, don't tank, don't berate them etc.

People pick up TERRIBLE habits in 1/2 nl bc they figure the donks will place no matter what and losing a 1/2 donk from the player pool isn't nearly as big a problem as losing a big game donk. they also figure they'll move moving up soon so **** it why be fun/good for the game.

most of those people you see still in 1/3-2/5 grinding away that were there 2 years ago will still be in those same games (or lower for 2/5 players) or have quit poker 2 years from now. It's really that simple.and they all think they're experts/wizards. many are bad for the game. many want people to know how smart/clever they are at poker.most aren't nearly as good as they think. hell honestly some would be better off if they were worse at poker. they win peanuts, think they run worse than everyone ever and continue to chase the stupid poker dream. if they were worse they would lose, have to quit poker and be better off.they're just good enough to keep the delusion alive.

people who haven't been in poker for a while don't even understand what a joke the entire thing is. yes some 1/2 nl today will be playing 10/25-25/50 nl 2 years from now. he will be good at poker. there will be 100 1/2 nl players just as good as him still playing 1/2 who didn't run as well etc.so many of these higher stakes players are dead ****ing broke. tourny dreamers see guys they're as good or better than making big chases after big cashes. yes those guys are probably good at tournaments who have this success- they've also run hotter than the sun.but the other grinders see them and the successful guy is the dream. i mean someone will run like god in 2019 tournaments- and dozens if not hundreds of good tournament players won't and will be miserable/have losing years etc.

The other thing is there really isn't a lot of 25/50+ action these days outside of a few small areas. and when there is it's HUGE.

watch how the decent players on heaters act. some are humble - but most puff out their chests and think it's all skill. they're unbearable. wow you keep flopping sets in 3 bet pots you're such a ****ing genius. oh no draw hits on you, you hit way more draws than you should etc. the false confidence is revolting- but sure is fun to watch them crash and burn. i've seen it a million times. especially when don't play somewhere very often. like if i go to vegas every six months- i see so many people who thought they were hot **** on my last trip, buying in super deep, think the game is so easy and 6 months later they're short buying games 2 levels below what they were playing when they thought they were god's gift to poker not long ago. the humble guys usually last and just quietly pile up money. don't even get me started on the fools taking pictures of chip stacks bragging on instagram. they're either total frauds (pretending to win a lot) or likely going to crash and burn hard bc they can't handle reality (aka downswings or you know just not always having it)

A few things--

Before I actually got good at live NL, I went on 3x 40k downswings at 5/10nl. Which in retrospect simply blows my mind nowadays because the worst downswing Ive had at 5/10 over the last 3 years is probably 30k. If we're talking about 10/20 or 10/25 obviously thats a different universe.

Today I play with 2-3 guys who started grinding their rolls at 1/2nl back in like pre 2010 era. So these guys are now playing 5/10nl and 10/20 10/25 nl professionally still. I think that era is pretty much over, it seems incredibly daunting for a kid without any online poker experience to move from 1/2nl to 10/20nl (and have a higher winrate than 5/10). The guys I played with accomplished this in a completely different era of poker where being intelligent and observant alone got you really far because the theory behind optimal play didnt yet penetrate the poker world. Today to accomplish this same feat theres no question you need to be 1/ young (because you mind is most pliable/plastic) 2/actual poker training 3/ adaptation and discipline. A lot of guys can get 2 of those 3 categories, but rarely all 3.

I know that there are tons of guys reading this thread just thinking "all i wanna do is grind 2/5NL and make $70k a year"

Theres too much noise and broke guys stuck in their poker strategies and dogmas of 2012. There's no question that a normal person with a modicum of self respect when it comes to grinding (because making 70k at 2/5NL is wholly determinant on 1 factor-- HOW MANY HOURS YOU PLAY) can easily accomplish this.

I'm personally not aware of any folks making 100k at 2/5nl but its a simple exercise of mental fortitude. 2/5 is insanely boring (to me at least) but given my winrate at 5/10NL I dont see ANY REASON why the toppest players at 2/5 arent making 40-50$/hr still.

70k/$40hr = 1750 hrs. If you cant accomplish this, you need introspection that your game isnt good enough, and you should fix it.

One thing in retrospect that has really worked for me over the last 4 years is that Ive really only made incremental changes to my strategies at a time. When I first started playing and struggling I think I was too aggressive with the changes I made and I was never able to find the right medium or mix of strategies. For example I wouldnt suggest someone whose learning new skills to implement them all at once, because it creates too much chaos in your mind as a live player (bc it is impossible to track hands). So I would attack 1 or 2 issues at a time.

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Re: 2k- a poker story (wtmfl;dr obv)

https://twitter.com/dalaei/status/1073705664050941952

Words of wisdom from an honest to goodness any game you can name, any amount you can count pro that has been around for a very, very long time.
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Re: 2k- a poker story (wtmfl;dr obv)

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https://twitter.com/dalaei/status/1073705664050941952

Words of wisdom from an honest to goodness any game you can name, any amount you can count pro that has been around for a very, very long time.
reposting what the tweet said so i can +1 it:
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"Does anyone still ask this question? If the answer is yes, definitely don’t do it. The opportunities to rise through the ranks are extremely limited now and if you have the mental skill set to succeed in today’s poker from the ground up then you can do something much better."
yup!
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