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Old 11-15-2018, 01:56 AM   #5776
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yup and fortunately live poker isn't online poker and i can be 4 years behind the curve and make way more money than people ahead of me on that curve with zero personality, who aren't fun to play with for donks, who can't handle losing streaks that can take a really long time in live poker etc.And guess what- 5 years from now if I'm still playing poker I'll make more money than people who are fundamentally better than me who don't "get" live poker at all. Not more than all of course- some are just pure crushers playing bigger games and good for them.

would a lot of these players have higher win rates than me online if we played the same online games? yes of course. would they maybe be winners in some online games i would be a loser in? yes of course. and you know what- who cares.
You're missing the point. The point is that you could be making even more money if you improved at how to play the game. You can improve your edge while still doing the same things you feel make you good at live poker. They aren't mutually exclusive. I fully understand the desire to not spend what would end up being a ton of time studying in favor of spending that time playing and printing a solid hourly while there are still fish around though.
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Old 11-15-2018, 03:29 AM   #5777
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I assume you could be both ahead of the curve and good for the game although I expect part of looking like a donk is actually being one at times. Maybe Gman can weigh in. I will agree with you on one point though. If I had limited amount of time and I had to chose between working to find good games and using solvers to try and beat bad ones, I would snap choose the former.

As far as where dgaf plays all I can say is you guys have poor deductive reasoning skills.
Everyone has their preferred mindset (that lead to specific actions or inaction altogether). I choose to always assume I donít know s***, that there are others much smarter than myself, and that I can learn quite a lot from them.

I also choose to believe that in poker and in life there are a minority of people willing to give everything to a specific skill/occupation/hobby/etc, and if it is a goal of mine to compete against those at an elite level, I have to be willing to work even harder than they do. Iíve never believed Iím intellectually superior to elite level poker players, but I do take a lot of pride in having a sickening work ethic in the few things Iíve focused on in life.

I wish I could say that I donít study poker, that I just play and play and figure out how to win like I did in the early 2000s. But alas, the game has evolved to a level where that just doesnít work when you play in the biggest and sometimes toughest live games in the country if not the world.

I donít want to get into how I study or the merits of GTO play in live poker. Needless to say, the better the competition, the more relevant it becomes. But the blending of old school live exploits vs (attempting to roughly approximate) new school GTO play is a beautiful and incredibly complex task, one that has reinvigorated my interest in poker in recent months.

With all that said, if you always run incredibly hot as I do, things are probably going to work out no matter which school you subscribe to. My greatest attribute as a poker player has always been to consistently run in the 1%.
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Old 11-15-2018, 05:12 AM   #5778
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imo, apology tyman surf doc and gman's recent posts are dead on. I don't disagree with borg either, I just question why not study to get stronger fundamentals?

I have enough data to know that full ring live 2/5 can be demolished. I'm pretty damn sure the same is true at 5/T+ but my data doesn't prove it because my buyins range drastically, the game is often straddled and often SH and I don't differentiate that in my tracking.

Even playing deep, preflop needs to be relatively well thought out and you have to play a lot of hands against decent players these days. I don't mean at all to imply that GTO/strong technical play trumps all the "soft' live poker skills like massive exploitive adjustments, sociability, playing 20+ hour sessions when required, stoic mental state, live reads, etc. It doesn't.

I'd love to hear thoughts on variance/winrates in Live PLO and MTT's (like DGAF I know smart people who play them but haven't wrapped my head around it) And I'm concerned with the emergent prevalence of large live staking rings and the migration of high stakes games to private that could easily trickle down through the midstakes
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Old 11-15-2018, 04:41 PM   #5779
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what's logistically complicated about an ante paid by one player? also do antes paid by everyone really slow the game down much in practice?
Nothing. People in smaller stakes games still dont like it typically. I'd never bother trying to get an ante going in a game smaller than $50 blind. That said most games I'm in these days are great and nothing is really required to make the game more fun/actiony

DGAF and I will forever disagree about why straddles are good but not that they almost always are good.

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u know how u keep the variance from not finishing off the guys who arent insanely rich? u decrease the minimum buyin. theres nothing more annoying than a dick sitting down at your table who not only wants to straddle but to push everyone else into doing it too. its bad for poker
Agree 100% on lower minimum buyins. I love short stackers. They are almost always action themselves, and in pot limit games especially, they help bloat pots to the moon.

Pros aggressively trying to get the table to straddle is one of my biggest pet peeves. Everyone has their sweet spot for what they want to play. If someone is in a 2/5 game with $275 in front of them, they probably don't want to play 5/10. If I'm playing 10/20 with a pro that has 5k in front of them and is bullying everyone to put 40, all I can think about is how great it would be to get thr straddle to 40/80/160/320 so that he can be the uncomfortable one.

I almost never ask anyone to straddle. I just put it out when I'm bored or if the lineup looks right and hope it continues. "Round of straddles" is also one of my least favorite things. You arent asking for one round. You're asking to kick it up. Just say what you want.

I do recall one session of 5/10/20 pot limit where I was very drunk and pretty rude to a very nitty guy who was very slow about putting out his straddle. Felt guilty when I woke up the next day. That said, while I'm not an "I deserved it" guy when it comes to good things happening, but I turned an ok 2/3 game into a top 5 of 2018 5/10/20 game by being a belligerent chip spraying mess, so I deserved it that time and I wasnt letting someone ruin it

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the problem with shorthanded games is the "bad" players suddenly become very difficult to beat. why? because bad players main mistake is calling too much. and in shorthanded games it benefits them and i get hurt for folding too much. still however, id rather play with 6 or 7 than with 10, simply so im not bored and so the game has better action.
This is objectively wrong. See: online hu vs 6max vs 9max winrates of top players
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Old 11-15-2018, 04:49 PM   #5780
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Everyone has their preferred mindset (that lead to specific actions or inaction altogether).
This 100%. There's a lot of discussion on whether behavior is good or bad, and we often talk past each other because people look at things from completely different perspectives
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Old 11-15-2018, 04:58 PM   #5781
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Forgot the whole reason I opened this thread while at the casino. The most brazen angle anyone has attempted to shoot against me in a very very long time.

I sit in a 2/3 NL game (my first mistake) while waiting for pot limit.

Fold every hand for 30 min. Very tight player opens 20 (sure), I 3b bb to 65 with AA, he looks like he wants to 4b and then just calls and the pot is 130 just like every 3bet pot in a 2/3 game should be. 300ish effective

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Cbet 40, he makes it 145, I tank the appropriate amount of time and say all in. The dealer does a great job and immediately places the brightly colored all in disc in front of me. I slide out an extra 105 so I have 145 out there. Villain thinks a while, says exactly 1 word "call" and I flip my hand up and turn around to tip the waitress that has brought my food.

I turn back around to him saying "did he call?" pretending he thinks I just called. The dealer looks terrified because he could not have more clearly said call. I'm not super friendly with the guy but have known him for years and basically say "you're kidding right?". Floor gets called. Dealer says what happened and how he heard it. I say what I heard. Then basically everyone at the table 1 by 1 says "I dont want to get in the middle of it, but all I heard was 'call'"

Anyway floor makes the very obvious correct ruling, somehow I dont get 2 outted and I win.

I kinda think he took the shot because he figured it was such a small amount of money to me. The funny thing is that I would actually let this slide against certain people in a bigger game but ain't nobody in a $3 holdem game getting one over on me

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Old 11-15-2018, 05:36 PM   #5782
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I'd love to hear thoughts on variance/winrates in Live PLO and MTT's (like DGAF I know smart people who play them but haven't wrapped my head around it) And I'm concerned with the emergent prevalence of large live staking rings and the migration of high stakes games to private that could easily trickle down through the midstakes
There's a large one in Maryland that the Washington post ran an article on. There are some collusion concerns, but otherwise staked pros would just be independent pros (no net effect). So it's mostly a way of providing people with financial stability and some coaching. When the article first popped, I overheard a lot of discussion at the tables about how people hated playing against pros, etc, etc, so knowing that there are financially backed pros at the table could be a turnoff to some rec players.

Casinos are recruiting grounds for private games. Bad players play at the casino, then get invited to private games from there. I've seen it happen a few times, however, I don't really know the numbers for how often it happens or how big of a problem it is. Alternatively private games help the casino because the casino is open all the time, while private games might not be.
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Old 11-15-2018, 07:46 PM   #5783
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There's a large one in Maryland that the Washington post ran an article on. There are some collusion concerns, but otherwise staked pros would just be independent pros (no net effect). So it's mostly a way of providing people with financial stability and some coaching. When the article first popped, I overheard a lot of discussion at the tables about how people hated playing against pros, etc, etc, so knowing that there are financially backed pros at the table could be a turnoff to some rec players.

Casinos are recruiting grounds for private games. Bad players play at the casino, then get invited to private games from there. I've seen it happen a few times, however, I don't really know the numbers for how often it happens or how big of a problem it is. Alternatively private games help the casino because the casino is open all the time, while private games might not be.
That article was probably the worst thing they could've done for themselves. Noone likes the thought of playing against 5 players being staked by the same person. The same thing happened in Macau, there once was a massive whale that found out the game they played was vs a team of pros - he ragequit and never came back. Whether or not they intend to, they will always collude in some fashion, soft or hard. There's no sense in playing each other at your best if you effectively play off the same bankroll/are trying not to eat off each other.

Casino recruitment happens daily. I know several hosts that spend their non game days in casinos to recruit and socialize. It's actually the opposite. Casinos and nitty regs help private games, not the other way around.
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Old 11-15-2018, 09:24 PM   #5784
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DGAF, since you've been asking for feedback on the pod, i've mostly been listening to Sessions, it's fukken sweet, i'm gonna listen to every new episode starting now, as i'm starting to play again regularly and shake the rust off my game, and in terms of length, i like the longer length. 30 minutes, 1 hour, 2 hours, all good. 1-2 hours is not too long IMO.

anecdotes and tangents also welcome. keep doin ur thing.
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Old 11-15-2018, 11:20 PM   #5785
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Forgot the whole reason I opened this thread while at the casino. The most brazen angle anyone has attempted to shoot against me in a very very long time.

I sit in a 2/3 NL game (my first mistake) while waiting for pot limit.

Fold every hand for 30 min. Very tight player opens 20 (sure), I 3b bb to 65 with AA, he looks like he wants to 4b and then just calls and the pot is 130 just like every 3bet pot in a 2/3 game should be. 300ish effective

954r
Cbet 40, he makes it 145, I tank the appropriate amount of time and say all in. The dealer does a great job and immediately places the brightly colored all in disc in front of me. I slide out an extra 105 so I have 145 out there. Villain thinks a while, says exactly 1 word "call" and I flip my hand up and turn around to tip the waitress that has brought my food.

I turn back around to him saying "did he call?" pretending he thinks I just called. The dealer looks terrified because he could not have more clearly said call. I'm not super friendly with the guy but have known him for years and basically say "you're kidding right?". Floor gets called. Dealer says what happened and how he heard it. I say what I heard. Then basically everyone at the table 1 by 1 says "I dont want to get in the middle of it, but all I heard was 'call'"

Anyway floor makes the very obvious correct ruling, somehow I dont get 2 outted and I win.

I kinda think he took the shot because he figured it was such a small amount of money to me. The funny thing is that I would actually let this slide against certain people in a bigger game but ain't nobody in a $3 holdem game getting one over on me
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Old 11-16-2018, 03:22 AM   #5786
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That article was probably the worst thing they could've done for themselves. Noone likes the thought of playing against 5 players being staked by the same person. The same thing happened in Macau, there once was a massive whale that found out the game they played was vs a team of pros - he ragequit and never came back. Whether or not they intend to, they will always collude in some fashion, soft or hard. There's no sense in playing each other at your best if you effectively play off the same bankroll/are trying not to eat off each other.

Casino recruitment happens daily. I know several hosts that spend their non game days in casinos to recruit and socialize. It's actually the opposite. Casinos and nitty regs help private games, not the other way around.
Yea, I'd believe that recruitment happens daily. I know of 2 raked private games that run on weekends and some unraked friendlier games that run as well. All of those games are made up mostly of recreational players. If you think about it, that's taking ~30 rec players out of the player pool, which could be 1 bad player per table. And that's just the games I know of...

So oolongking, I can see privatization of games effecting your bottom line as a pro. You might've made 10-20% more without that happening. But mid-stakes are always going to run at the casino so I wouldn't worry too much. It's not like people are going to create semi-private casino games, where pros can't get a seat at 2/5.

btw, the private online games seem to be gaining some traction too.

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Old 11-16-2018, 08:51 AM   #5787
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imo, apology tyman surf doc and gman's recent posts are dead on. I don't disagree with borg either, I just question why not study to get stronger fundamentals?

I have enough data to know that full ring live 2/5 can be demolished. I'm pretty damn sure the same is true at 5/T+ but my data doesn't prove it because my buyins range drastically, the game is often straddled and often SH and I don't differentiate that in my tracking.

Even playing deep, preflop needs to be relatively well thought out and you have to play a lot of hands against decent players these days. I don't mean at all to imply that GTO/strong technical play trumps all the "soft' live poker skills like massive exploitive adjustments, sociability, playing 20+ hour sessions when required, stoic mental state, live reads, etc. It doesn't.

I'd love to hear thoughts on variance/winrates in Live PLO and MTT's (like DGAF I know smart people who play them but haven't wrapped my head around it) And I'm concerned with the emergent prevalence of large live staking rings and the migration of high stakes games to private that could easily trickle down through the midstakes
I agree that if i put in a ton more work I could make a little more money- it's not worth my time and won't be fun.But i completely maintain that so many other things are way more important than how you fundamentally play hands.It's possible I hate gto type stuff and think a lot of it is absolute garbage for live poker is the people i see playing that way are almost all at best terrible for the game socially, and at best neutral socially.


As for win rates/variance for live plo- i basically only play plo. I try and play short handed as much as possible and think win rates are higher in plo bc so much of nl is solved and people love to gamble in plo.Hands that look realaitvely similar in plo (and may have similar preflop all in equities heads up) play drastically differently post flop I only run it once so yea swings can be massive.
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Yea, I'd believe that recruitment happens daily. I know of 2 raked private games that run on weekends and some unraked friendlier games that run as well. All of those games are made up mostly of recreational players. If you think about it, that's taking ~30 rec players out of the player pool, which could be 1 bad player per table. And that's just the games I know of...

So oolongking, I can see privatization of games effecting your bottom line as a pro. You might've made 10-20% more without that happening. But mid-stakes are always going to run at the casino so I wouldn't worry too much. It's not like people are going to create semi-private casino games, where pros can't get a seat at 2/5.

btw, the private online games seem to be gaining some traction too.
The recs i know that end up in private games lose way more than they would ever think about losing at the casino. Try 2-3x more for the exact same game. This means even IF they end up at the casino they only lose half or 1/3 of what they are really willing to lose. This should be a hint for all the nits out there.

The thing is, 2/5 will always run but the quality will go down significantly due to these bad for the game regs. Anywhere I go, I always end up getting the stakes bumped up 1-2x what it normally is (1/3 to 2/5 or 5/10). The key is that the weak regs and the spots like playing with me and the lineup i can produce, so the game gets good almost for no reason (in the eyes of the staff and regs). So if i can steal bad regs and spots even in the same room, imagine the damage the private game runners can do if they're there daily recuiting (which they 100% are). All of a sudden your brand new 50/hr game turns into a 30/hr game because ya'll ain't facilitating a good game for the spots. simultaneously complaining that NLHE about to die.
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The recs i know that end up in private games lose way more than they would ever think about losing at the casino. Try 2-3x more for the exact same game. This means even IF they end up at the casino they only lose half or 1/3 of what they are really willing to lose. This should be a hint for all the nits out there.

The thing is, 2/5 will always run but the quality will go down significantly due to these bad for the game regs. Anywhere I go, I always end up getting the stakes bumped up 1-2x what it normally is (1/3 to 2/5 or 5/10). The key is that the weak regs and the spots like playing with me and the lineup i can produce, so the game gets good almost for no reason (in the eyes of the staff and regs). So if i can steal bad regs and spots even in the same room, imagine the damage the private game runners can do if they're there daily recuiting (which they 100% are). All of a sudden your brand new 50/hr game turns into a 30/hr game because ya'll ain't facilitating a good game for the spots. simultaneously complaining that NLHE about to die.
I feel like Pros are very disadvantaged for getting into these games. Probably easier for me as a tight player with a job than a pro that tries to drive action
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^^all of above is why i plan on running an awesome structure private game. soon.(ish)
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DGAF, since you've been asking for feedback on the pod, i've mostly been listening to Sessions, it's fukken sweet, i'm gonna listen to every new episode starting now, as i'm starting to play again regularly and shake the rust off my game, and in terms of length, i like the longer length. 30 minutes, 1 hour, 2 hours, all good. 1-2 hours is not too long IMO.

anecdotes and tangents also welcome.
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Speaking of organic - how important do you guys think diet & nutrition is for peak performance?

What do you guys do for your mental game?
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Speaking of organic - how important do you guys think diet & nutrition is for peak performance?

What do you guys do for your mental game?
I think both diet and exercise are fairly important for playing your best. Unfortunately the nature of live poker doesnt lend itself well to being particularly diligent in maintaining either a well constructed diet or a consistent exercise regimen.

Not only do I think the actual act of exercising and the physical benefits of being fit/healthy help you play your best more often, I also strongly believe the mindset that gets you to the gym and cooking your own meals at home daily is a lot more profitable than the mindset that has you spending your time off watching Netflix and eating every meal at a poker table. Speaking from personal experience being at both extremes for many years at a time

You see a much higher percent of health minded people beating very high stakes for extended periods of time than you do in the professional poker population as a whole. There is a reason
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Speaking of organic - how important do you guys think diet & nutrition is for peak performance?



What do you guys do for your mental game?


If donít have enough bourbon and rare red meat life is not worth living.

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It would be great to see a shift towards strength training for overall health in the years to come. It seems people still just don't know what to do or why. This can be evidenced by the Jamie Staples situation. I'm sure it all started out with good intentions. And the first bet was fine. Losing all that weight was good for him. But he had the chance at that point to get strong and healthy the right way. Instead he made a bet that is 100% physiologically impossible for him to achieve without serious health consequences. He could end up in a worse spot than when he started depending on how things go. But anyway - get strong. Then everything else is easier.

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It would be great to see a shift towards strength training for overall health in the years to come. It seems people still just don't know what to do or why. This can be evidenced by the Jamie Staples situation. I'm sure it all started out with good intentions. And the first bet was fine. Losing all that weight was good for him. But he had the chance at that point to get strong and healthy the right way. Instead he made a bet that is 100% physiologically impossible for him to achieve without serious health consequences. He could end up in a worse spot than when he started depending on how things go. But anyway - get strong. Then everything else is easier.

https://www.amazon.com/Starting-Stre...ng+3rd+edition


I second the starting strength he program. It is something I have used in the past and should be doing more often now.

Even moderate gains in strength makes all sorts of tasks in life easier. Also lifting heavy stuff is a great stress reducer at least for me.


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