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Old Yesterday, 05:12 PM   #5351
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Re: 2k- a poker story (wtmfl;dr obv)

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8o8,

Very interesting and insightful, to say the least. Thanks for sharing.
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Very very interesting stuff. I can relate to alot of this, both the different aspects/concepts you touch uppon,general red line of these things, and alot of the smaller details that i also could have written alot about here.


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maybe certain level of cold heartedness...
there's a grime element to the game, for sure. part of the reason i wouldn't want to be a pro in Vegas. i expect it's the worst there. but true gambling addicts / people dangling at the end of a feces-covered thread of life simply won't come back with more money forever (with the exception of extremely wealthy ones, but they're fine). and there's also the argument that if it's gonna end up in a slot machine or in my chip stack, might as well be in my chip stack. (i do have altruistic/philanthropic long long long term goals in life as well :P)

most of your money in this game is made from deep-pocketed people that love to gamble. i don't feel bad for them. they're paying me for the entertainment value of the game, which I contribute to.
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Old Yesterday, 07:14 PM   #5352
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there's a grime element to the game, for sure. part of the reason i wouldn't want to be a pro in Vegas. i expect it's the worst there. but true gambling addicts / people dangling at the end of a feces-covered thread of life simply won't come back with more money forever (with the exception of extremely wealthy ones, but they're fine). and there's also the argument that if it's gonna end up in a slot machine or in my chip stack, might as well be in my chip stack. (i do have altruistic/philanthropic long long long term goals in life as well :P)

most of your money in this game is made from deep-pocketed people that love to gamble. i don't feel bad for them. they're paying me for the entertainment value of the game, which I contribute to.
Maybe it's different in lower games but most of the money I've made in Vegas frankly comes from tourists on vacation

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Old Yesterday, 11:32 PM   #5353
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Re: 2k- a poker story (wtmfl;dr obv)

Gambling comes with some grime...That is part of the appeal. The living on the "edge" getting away with spending time with the wrong crew pulls some in. Everyone wants to escape the routine drudgery of their day to day once in a while. Everyone dreams of "adventure" from time to time. A taste of chasing the thrill that the moments between when the bets go in and cards get turned over can keep many coming back. Those moments are like turning the volume and color up on life. Those moments seem to have even more appeal to people who probably should not be in the card room in the first place.


In general I do not feel bad if I win from someone who should not be in the game. I believe people should have the right to make their own choices and chase their own destiny. Occasionally I see something in the casino that makes me never want to go back. I am thinking of you single teenage/early 20 mom with a baby in a stroller at 2:45 am sucking down a cig pumping money into a slot machine from two trips ago.

Despite that I keep coming back from time to time. Partly to break up the routine. Partly to get out of my lucky/privileged bubble that I have built for myself. Partly because I have a love for the game.

The grime is not limited to gambling. It is part of life which depending on variance in parents, education opportunity and a host of other things can be either much easier or much harder for equally good people. I do not think that people should apologize for success, for running good, for winning at poker.

I do think that if you are fortunate enough to run good, in life or in poker that you should consider the ways you can choose to give something back. The ways to leave your part of the world a little better off than you found it. You never know what the next round of variance will deal you.
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Old Today, 12:19 AM   #5354
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Re: 2k- a poker story (wtmfl;dr obv)

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how the hell are a few short 2/5 sessions per week and startup blogging/podcasting/t-shirt business ideas going to get you back to 5/T+? Cut that out and play tons of hours, play well, reduce expenses, and write the memoir style/quintessential live poker novel that could be extremely good and gain an extra-poker audience.
+1 80/20 that ****. You’re good at poker, you’re sick at writing, and you have tons of interesting and hilarious experiences.

You can even work on some stuff while playing 2/5 (eg outlining, idea generation, various internet research, social media posting). I’ve gotten a lot of non poker stuff done while grinding 2/5. And while my hourly poker EV is certainly lower then it would be paying close attention to every single hand I’m not in, my life EV is higher by doing that + it makes grinding 2/5 more bearable and so I ended up playing more hours then I otherwise would have by aiming for my A+ game the whole time, so my total EV for the day would often be higher.

When doing this, I tend to pay close attention for the first 2-3 hours to get reads on unknowns, then let myself slip off into some other things after that. Plus if you reg the same casino a lot, you’ll play with a lot of the same players and so you’ll already have lots of reads even at the beginning of the session.

I know you want to get out of poker, but that will be a lot easier once you’re out of debt, and right now it seems like grinding a ton of hours, continuing to decrease spending, and writing an amazon best-seller is the quickest way to do that.

(Yes, I’m aware I kind of just suggested that DGAF become an iPad grinder, but even he said he doesn’t blame anyone for wearing headphones at 2/5).

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Old Today, 08:58 AM   #5355
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Re: 2k- a poker story (wtmfl;dr obv)

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More on the bold whenever you feel so inclined. Some itt don't want to hear it/see it, but a growing number of us do.

Also, sounds like you are having a pretty great existence. You had me at "daughter".

Cheers.
Finally getting around to this. Good thing you're on a weekly timeline lol. Ok, well, when I say I'm a variance truther, I just want the whole world to know how much luck there is all over the place. I think it will do two big things: 1. People will have a lot more gratitude and 2. People will have more solidarity with each other because they know so much of life is out of our hands.

Here's an explanation of how much success is luck: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...n-we-realized/

But more than that, many traits that can will one to success, like hard work or networking, also involve luck due to genetic preferences, or location, or a myriad of other factors.

Back to the gratitude part. Just being born as a human in this time and place is so incredibly fantastic. Then, think about how young most of us are. People aspire to be Warren Buffet, but he'd do anything to trade places with a 30 or 40 year old. Or just think about your consciousness. Would you trade everything in the whole world in exchange for your consciousness? No, of course not. These are things to be very grateful for despite the fact that we just take them for granted very often. One trip to the left side of the bell curve can take it all away from you.

Variance is bandied about constantly in poker because no where else in our lives does it take such an obvious line. No where else is its role so clearly observed. And yet, ironically, it's powers are so weak in the poker room. The best players usually win over any decent sample size. This is not so in life. There are endless factors that can boost or derail you.

I don't know how well I'm explaining this, but my point is that the world would be a lot better if we all understood that we are largely at the mercy of fate, and so we need to be grateful for what we have and give up on the flawed notion of willing your way to what you want in life as if that's possible for everyone. In relationships, we need to have compassion for people. In policy, we need to account for some of the luck involved in life. In parenthood, we need to forgive ourselves when something doesn't turn out right. In poker, we need to be grateful that we only need to fade the far left tail rather than the entire left side of the curve. And yeah, some still get abyssed, but they still have friends, talent, consciousness, and a heap of other things to be grateful for in almost every case.

Best songs to trip to, wow, what a solid thread this is. Let me throw a vote in for Washed Out. They have some solid stuff for that. I'm sure there's much more I could browse and mention, but I gotta get to work.
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