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Old 05-18-2018, 01:25 PM   #4476
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He sounds useless
I've gotten pretty fed up with dealer/floor incompetence in the last few years and this would definitely bother me.
I don't mind if someone is new at their job and doesn't really get it as long as they're receptive to constructive criticism. If he used to be a floor in the smaller room and is used to games lower than 8/16 limit, it's at least reasonable that he'd assume the game might just break. When it's the biggest game in the casino at the time and the guy who has played more hours than anyone else in the bigger and biggest regular game in the casino since August (regularly starting terrible 3-4 handed games that I always lose in just to make sure a game goes that day) suggests that you need to adjust your approach, you should probably listen. Even if he's slurring his words because he's a blacked out mess.

I was shocked that he asked the first time but I assumed that would be the end of it. The second time he asked, I almost threw up on the table. And it wasn't from all the wine.
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Old 05-19-2018, 12:51 AM   #4477
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Sounds like a standard Oceans employee. It is almost like they have a paragraph in the training manual that is titled "Here is how we prevent games from running in our card room."
I have actually seen this attitude from several graveyard shift managers/floors over the years. They self-select into that shift, because the room is empty and there is almost no work that needs to be done for a good part of their shift. Then, they are completely fine with the games breaking and even the room going completely dark, because that means they can just relax and play with their phone (or watch SportsCenter) until the morning crowd comes.
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Old 05-22-2018, 06:39 PM   #4478
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Agreed. Often I believe there is also a component of jealousy/crab mentality to it if you are clearly going to be winning big. Floors really don't like to have to watch you walk out with racks of winnings and then compare their ****ty lives and 9/hr jobs to that. Especially "on their turf" where they have withered their lives away and come to define themselves as the boss.
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I don't mind if someone is new at their job and doesn't really get it as long as they're receptive to constructive criticism. If he used to be a floor in the smaller room and is used to games lower than 8/16 limit, it's at least reasonable that he'd assume the game might just break. When it's the biggest game in the casino at the time and the guy who has played more hours than anyone else in the bigger and biggest regular game in the casino since August (regularly starting terrible 3-4 handed games that I always lose in just to make sure a game goes that day) suggests that you need to adjust your approach, you should probably listen. Even if he's slurring his words because he's a blacked out mess.

I was shocked that he asked the first time but I assumed that would be the end of it. The second time he asked, I almost threw up on the table. And it wasn't from all the wine.
agreed. rookie dealers/floor who are learning but clearly trying and getting better don't bother me. it's the veteran ones who are just terrible and never improve that are unbearable.
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It seems to me your best way out could be to start a local brick and mortar business of some kind. You're going to be better at strategizing how to attack your market than most of your competition as soon as you overcome any learning curve, and talking/listening/entertaining are valuable as a real world business owner (especially if you can get your employees to be good at customer service too). Of course, starting that requires at least some cash infusion or taking on some debt at the beginning, which is obviously not ideal for your current situation.

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That sounds really awesome - for like private investigators or what? Do you have any forensic background?
Good point about whales. At this point I'm too bright-eyed and bushy-tailed about it. I want to do do EVERYTHING. And yet, my #1 priority is being a dad to two young kids, I still get paid good (Sklansky) money just for showing up to casinos and goofing around- and I have to keep doing that until I pay everyone I owe back, I'm writing a ton, still trying to get my online clothing store off the ground, and as mentioned I'm doing that Forensic Analyst work...

I work for a Forensic Psychiatrist. I met him at a poker table 8 years ago. He's a 2p2er. I have no background in it, but I have a very analytical mind and can type a trillion words per minute. Mainly I'll get a bunch of records to review to determine if someone is legally insane or something else. I go through the records, write up a report with (hopefully) all the relevant information, and provide my analysis knowing what specific questions are being asked by the Court.

^^^ is dark but 0% boring. Each case is like watching a hardcore documentary (which I love doing anyways) and then basically writing a review about it. I'm learning a ton about mental health, the law, etc.

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DGAF,

if i were you and was looking to start a biz and have a contact list of business owners (as I'd imagine most good-for-the-game HS poker players and pros do), I'd ask to sit down with the ones you really admire over a cup of coffee away from the table. ask them what their biggest challenge in business is. ask them what keeps them up at night both professionally and personally. develop your business plan around how you'd strategically solve their individual problems while creating a plan to tactically solve the most common issue you hear (in their industry and in general among the business owners).

I work with business owners all the time. I find their biggest challenges center around cash flow and visibility into their operations. solve for those topics based on your expertise and the world is your oyster. YMMV. but start by solving problems rather than trying to invent one.
Very much appreciate the advice/insights. That second paragraph is gold.

One of the million things I'm currently doing is I just recorded my first podcast with the psychiatrist I work for. He and I are friends and go to bars and what not. We've found that people just end up telling us their problems for whatever reason and together (my analytical/logical mind + his amazing education/experience) we usually provide some really good advice. And our back and forth is effortless and reportedly pretty entertaining (a lifelong casino rat and a lifelong doctor make quite the combo apparently)...

Anyways, the first episode is being edited and has the technical issues you might expect when some idiot (me) just hits record and starts talking with someone else for an hour and a half. But... I think the content is actually pretty amazing. My friend the psychiatrist is just incredibly smart/knowledgeable, and most importantly, he is humble AF and speaks a common man's language. I try to keep it funny and light throughout, while asking him questions/follow-up questions I imagine the general population (listeners) has as well.

WRT the last sentence in your second paragraph, I think we are addressing the enormous issue and pretty hot topic of mental health. We are letting people know it's OK to be a little ****ed up and that just about everyone is at least a little ****ed up at some point in their life. It's really rewarding work (well, we just sit down with Belgian beer and start talking unscripted- not sure if that's to be considered work) in that we are helping people/providing something that is very much in demand right now.

^^^ podcast will be on my blog site by mid-June and in other places once I figure out how to do all that. Note: another 2p2er that I don't know (Cushlash?) sent me all the info on how to do a podcast just to be cool. I'm finding the 2p2 community to be incredibly communal in spots (including posters like yourself giving back/providing highly valuable insights from your own areas of expertise).

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Had a pretty horrifying experience last night/this morning. Playing 4 handed 80/160 mix with 2 gentlemen and 1 scholar. Its collection pot and the scholar says hes out of collection and quitting. Floor guy I've never seen before and hope I never see again comes over and asks if we're sure we want to keep playing 3 handed instead of breaking the game. This is around 5am after I've had about half a dozen bottles of wine and this guy is implying that we should no longer be playing poker in the first game I've played in months that was worth sticking more than 5 hours of my life in.

I ask him to never ask a table that again and take our collections and go away. 30 minutes later he comes for collection. Hes fresh as could be and has no idea what a collection pot even is so we just pay individually again which I've literally never done in this casino in the past 1000+ hours. Anyway he obviously asks again if we want to keep playing or break the game. At least I wont lose any sleep over never tipping him.
I have been beyond frustrated with floor people (and dealers obv) countless times over the years. On the same night you posted this, some dude who I'm almost certain recently got out of prison and mistook my small talk for me testing him or whatever, started threatening me from across the table. It went on for like 20 minutes straight. Neither the dealer, nor a floor man, nor any of the other employees said or did ****.

The wise old man in me now knows though that frustration/anger/annoyance is just laziness. It's not taking the time to find the understanding of why things are the way they are/why people act the way they do. <-- once you do that (and you can in ANY situation that comes up), the frustration/anger/annoyance subsides and you just look at everything as a situation you need to navigate/a math problem you need to solve...

Casinos are easy money businesses often owned and run by shady mother ****ers with no idea how to run a business properly, much less optimally. The culture is often one of apathy and entitlement, employees are very often over-worked, employees are very rarely compensated based on performance, the hiring process is typically abysmal, training is horrific, etc.

AKA get over it man. Just give the guy a green bird away from the table and explain to him what's up. Play the game.

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Old Yesterday, 02:31 PM   #4483
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I have actually seen this attitude from several graveyard shift managers/floors over the years. They self-select into that shift, because the room is empty and there is almost no work that needs to be done for a good part of their shift. Then, they are completely fine with the games breaking and even the room going completely dark, because that means they can just relax and play with their phone (or watch SportsCenter) until the morning crowd comes.
You gotta get them aligned with your interests. Compensate them, earn their respect, etc. It would be nice if their bosses managed them properly, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.
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Agreed. Often I believe there is also a component of jealousy/crab mentality to it if you are clearly going to be winning big. Floors really don't like to have to watch you walk out with racks of winnings and then compare their ****ty lives and 9/hr jobs to that. Especially "on their turf" where they have withered their lives away and come to define themselves as the boss.
Again, make them root for you. I have (often inadvertently- they just seem to like degens) with many over the years... I've also been short sighted plenty and gotten into arguments that later cost me in many ways.
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agreed. rookie dealers/floor who are learning but clearly trying and getting better don't bother me. it's the veteran ones who are just terrible and never improve that are unbearable.
I think the right approach is airball bad performance (unless a whale demands you tip lol) and over compensate good performance.

Also, drink a lot.
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Very much appreciate the advice/insights. That second paragraph is gold.

One of the million things I'm currently doing is I just recorded my first podcast with the psychiatrist I work for. He and I are friends and go to bars and what not. We've found that people just end up telling us their problems for whatever reason and together (my analytical/logical mind + his amazing education/experience) we usually provide some really good advice. And our back and forth is effortless and reportedly pretty entertaining (a lifelong casino rat and a lifelong doctor make quite the combo apparently)...

Anyways, the first episode is being edited and has the technical issues you might expect when some idiot (me) just hits record and starts talking with someone else for an hour and a half. But... I think the content is actually pretty amazing. My friend the psychiatrist is just incredibly smart/knowledgeable, and most importantly, he is humble AF and speaks a common man's language. I try to keep it funny and light throughout, while asking him questions/follow-up questions I imagine the general population (listeners) has as well.

WRT the last sentence in your second paragraph, I think we are addressing the enormous issue and pretty hot topic of mental health. We are letting people know it's OK to be a little ****ed up and that just about everyone is at least a little ****ed up at some point in their life. It's really rewarding work (well, we just sit down with Belgian beer and start talking unscripted- not sure if that's to be considered work) in that we are helping people/providing something that is very much in demand right now.

^^^ podcast will be on my blog site by mid-June and in other places once I figure out how to do all that. Note: another 2p2er that I don't know (Cushlash?) sent me all the info on how to do a podcast just to be cool. I'm finding the 2p2 community to be incredibly communal in spots (including posters like yourself giving back/providing highly valuable insights from your own areas of expertise).

Cheers!
glad you got something out of my post. like you, I'm trying to give back to those who've improved my life somehow. this thread has definitely done that for me. good luck on the pod, let us know when its up!
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glad you got something out of my post. like you, I'm trying to give back to those who've improved my life somehow. this thread has definitely done that for me. good luck on the pod, let us know when its up!
Cool, yeah, I'll somehow (twitter?) let people know when it's up. Thanks. I'm glad this thread has helped you. More importably, I'm glad you are seeing the value in giving back/paying forward. <-- is not the selfless thing many think it is/it's insanely gratifying to the person doing it ime.

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We've found that people just end up telling us their problems for whatever reason
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I have been beyond frustrated with floor people (and dealers obv) countless times over the years.
I should probably cut the guy some slack since I was later told that in addition to being the drunkest person that ever existed that night, I was also the most obnoxious person that ever existed so I'm sure I dealt with his comments in a less respectful way than sober or even normal blacked out me would have.

Doesn't make his initial attempt to break my game and cost his employer money any better, but I do sympathize with anyone that has had to deal with increasingly angry drunk when he drinks something other than beer me lately.


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I think the right approach is airball bad performance (unless a whale demands you tip lol) and over compensate good performance.

Also, drink a lot.
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Cool, yeah, I'll somehow (twitter?) let people know when it's up. Thanks. I'm glad this thread has helped you. More importably, I'm glad you are seeing the value in giving back/paying forward. <-- is not the selfless thing many think it is/it's insanely gratifying to the person doing it ime.

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What's your twitter handle? I'll follow ya to keep up with the project status!
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