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Old 02-16-2019, 10:56 PM   #1
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25/50 3bet pot top pair facing 3 barrels vs reg

5 handed effective stacks 5.5k~ readless except villain is a 25 50 reg

Hero opens KQcc HJ to 125 CO 3bets to 375, all fold, hero calls

Flop 825: Qs3c4h

Check, co bets 275, call

Turn 1375: Js

Check, co bets 900, call

River 3175: 9h

Check, co jams 3400, hero?

Can we fold any KQ here? Is JTcc/JThh/TT better calls than KQ? Fold AQ but call KQ? Call both? Is this spot typically underbluffed?
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Old 02-17-2019, 06:44 AM   #2
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Re: 25/50 3bet pot top pair facing 3 barrels vs reg

I'm having trouble folding this particular combo, 70 % call. AK, AT could barrel like this, you block KT and other than QJs (maybe) and JJ you lack better call candidates.


I don't think you can fold AQ either. Because of that you should mix KQ a bit I guess.


JT/TT are worse calls for sure.

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Old 02-18-2019, 12:19 PM   #3
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Re: 25/50 3bet pot top pair facing 3 barrels vs reg

KQ has better blocking effects than AQ because AQ blocks AT/AK and doesn't block KTs whereas KQ only blocks AK and blocks KTs and the rest is equal (blocking AA and KK). However, we have way more AQ than KQ (not folding any AQo pre) and the problem is not sure if AQ can be the bottom of his value range so we have extra chop equity with AQ that KQ doesn't have.

Anyways I'll run the spot now; I like to try to think about the spot logically before I run it.

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Old 02-19-2019, 02:42 AM   #4
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Re: 25/50 3bet pot top pair facing 3 barrels vs reg

Looks like a low ev river spot (calling is gonna be low ev and folding is obv 0 ev)
Think you can make a read and go with it.
I wonder if there are any raises here vs this size otf
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Old 02-20-2019, 12:08 AM   #5
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Re: 25/50 3bet pot top pair facing 3 barrels vs reg

Kind of hard to fold when you beat almost every Ax combo. I actually think this is a pretty common 3 barrel spot. In full ring you can probably fold the turn a bunch, but short handed even the tighter regs are going to 3 bet wide enough and also have a high enough barrelling range range where this should be a fairly standard shrug call. I think this could change drastically if vill is often checking back a high thru jj given that a3-a5 jj/tt etc could be a very significant portion of his range.
Definitely agree with imaginary that having a 10 in our hand is bad.
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Old 02-20-2019, 02:43 AM   #6
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Re: 25/50 3bet pot top pair facing 3 barrels vs reg

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Looks like a low ev river spot (calling is gonna be low ev and folding is obv 0 ev)
Think you can make a read and go with it.
I wonder if there are any raises here vs this size otf
Yes. Raising AQ KQ like ~40% of the time otf and stacking off. Also raising turn a small % with KQ and AQ. On the river like you said it's very low ev like +100 chips for calling. Folding KQ ~30% of the time and folding AQ ~5%. CO is checking river with KQ and AQ is bottom of value like I thought. Calling river some small % with KJs and AJ as well.

Interesting that CO checks back AT and bluffs instead with A2s-A5s, AK despite slightly higher showdown value with those combos. I guess better blockers idk man I wont pretend to understand lol.
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Old 02-20-2019, 06:59 PM   #7
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Re: 25/50 3bet pot top pair facing 3 barrels vs reg

The spot is obviously tough. I don't play this high but I would think that there are a lot of hands in his range that are going to hit this board hard but also there's not many hands in your range that you could slow-play the turn with. I think the read question is more-or-less does he think that you are sometimes check-calling with 2 pair and better on the flop or turn? If he thinks you can't possibly be trapping then I think a shove on his part is going to be profitable with bluffs as well. I think if he thinks sometimes you are trapping here then you can fold. I think there are a lot of players that this board, especially on the turn, would give pause to with bluffs because with the Q and J is going to hit your range so frequently so maybe not a good spot to double barrel bluff on the turn if that was his plan. Still, it's hard to imagine him taking this line with like 77 or something.
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Old 02-24-2019, 03:13 PM   #8
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Re: 25/50 3bet pot top pair facing 3 barrels vs reg

Call it off. Would fold against nits.
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Old 03-19-2019, 01:50 PM   #9
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Re: 25/50 3bet pot top pair facing 3 barrels vs reg

Did he have JJ?
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