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Downbet or heavy value? Downbet or heavy value?

08-10-2021 , 09:59 AM
1/3/10 NL he

Hero: seen as a TAG MAWG, has been caught bluffing once this session. 1500 and covers all villains.
V1: young Indian fellow, very loose and aggressive. Strong player but gets caught bluffing more often than not. He and hero have a lot of back forth
V2: MAWG, seems to think hero is a bluffer (not too far off) and calls hero preflop more often not not.
V3: young, middle eastern fellow, seems inexperienced.

From UTG, V3 raises to 35, hero looks down at AA, and reraisea to 135, V1 and V2 both call, V3 shoves for remaining 80 dollars. Hero confirms he can’t retainer (maybe a mistake?) and calls as do V1 and V2

Pot 840

Flop: 10c 3h 2s

Hero? I’m obviously betting here, but do I downbet to 250 or 300, or go for equity denial with two other players? Thanks
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08-10-2021 , 11:21 AM
With an SPR of under 2, I'm looking at checking here. Not going to be real hard to get stacks in.
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08-10-2021 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by venice10
With an SPR of under 2, I'm looking at checking here. Not going to be real hard to get stacks in.
You know what's interesting is that as I hiot post and looked at this on paper, I was like huh, should've checked
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08-10-2021 , 12:03 PM
What are the stacks of V1 and V2?

I'd bet $200ish.
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08-10-2021 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by samo
What are the stacks of V1 and V2?

I'd bet $200ish.
Not sure where you get that from. V1 has about 800, V2 about 500
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08-10-2021 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
With an SPR of under 2, I'm looking at checking here. Not going to be real hard to get stacks in.
What's your plan & reasoning when checking?
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08-10-2021 , 01:16 PM
Throw out a black chip. $300 is way too big.
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08-10-2021 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by browni3141
Throw out a black chip. $300 is way too big.
....an eighth pot bet? Against two people who cold called a 3bet preflop?
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08-10-2021 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DannyAIC
....an eighth pot bet? Against two people who cold called a 3bet preflop?
Yeah why not? There are 3 whole streets to play. Keep ranges as wide as possible while sizing to stack off over 3 streets.
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08-10-2021 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DannyAIC
Not sure where you get that from. V1 has about 800, V2 about 500
What's your position?

Either way, this isn't even a question, the board is as dry as it can be, your opponents have either hit a set and you are way behind or the biggest threat is they are drawing to a set. The need to protect your equity is infinitesimal.

Not to mention that if the biggest stack you face is $800, you only need one bet to get stacks in.
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08-10-2021 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by OvertlySexual
What's your position?

Either way, this isn't even a question, the board is as dry as it can be, your opponents have either hit a set and you are way behind or the biggest threat is they are drawing to a set. The need to protect your equity is infinitesimal.

Not to mention that if the biggest stack you face is $800, you only need one bet to get stacks in.
Yeah well the results are I bet 500 and they both folded so go figure lol. I Feel like the 250-300 bet or a check would probably have been much better.
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08-10-2021 , 02:15 PM
1/3rd pot is fine on flop, I dont like checking multiway. You can probably get it in on most turns or downbet again and shove rivers.


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08-10-2021 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Big_Drink
What's your plan & reasoning when checking?
My plan is to see what happens when I check. The SPR is actually even lower than I thought. I want to see if I can get the Indian villain to bet at that pot since he'll have me on AK (like everyone else who calls a 3bet pf). There are no significant draws since I don't expect 54 to call a big bet pf. If it checks around, I can make a small bet to see if someone wants to play sheriff. If they hit their set, good for them, I'm going to lose 500. They didn't get odds to make the first call.
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08-10-2021 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
My plan is to see what happens when I check. The SPR is actually even lower than I thought. I want to see if I can get the Indian villain to bet at that pot since he'll have me on AK (like everyone else who calls a 3bet pf). There are no significant draws since I don't expect 54 to call a big bet pf. If it checks around, I can make a small bet to see if someone wants to play sheriff. If they hit their set, good for them, I'm going to lose 500. They didn't get odds to make the first call.
I have to start adding the delayed C-bet into my arsenal because I think this is what cost me money in this spot. I'm definitely leaning towards the check even over the downbet.
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08-10-2021 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
My plan is to see what happens when I check. The SPR is actually even lower than I thought. I want to see if I can get the Indian villain to bet at that pot since he'll have me on AK (like everyone else who calls a 3bet pf). There are no significant draws since I don't expect 54 to call a big bet pf. If it checks around, I can make a small bet to see if someone wants to play sheriff. If they hit their set, good for them, I'm going to lose 500. They didn't get odds to make the first call.
I like it. I'm assuming with KK, QQ you'll bet more often for protection.
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08-10-2021 , 04:11 PM
I see the merits of checking to represent AK and induce a bet from V1 or V2. But V3 adds another dynamic. Opponents are more likely to check it down with one person all in. Rational or not, people are less apt to play for the side pot, especially on this flop, where everyone probably whiffed. ABC poker is to charge your opponents to see another card when you are ahead. A small bet around 200 could induce a call by V1 and V2 if they read the bet as the hero making a continuation bet with AK.

Last edited by adonson; 08-10-2021 at 04:17 PM.
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08-10-2021 , 10:18 PM
Yea just bet tiny in a protected pot setup. This isn’t some blastoff spot.
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08-10-2021 , 10:20 PM
500 is way too big to bet into a dry side pot. Even 300 is stretching it. Bet 20% pot or something.
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08-11-2021 , 12:12 AM
Betting super small. Probably 125 and never folding. Betting larger is a big leak and gives villians the chance to play well
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08-11-2021 , 12:19 AM
Cbet 150
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08-11-2021 , 11:11 AM
When short stacked fish makes a big (relative to 1-3) raise pre you should let his jam reopen the action. He had 215 and made it 35 so 125 works. Then when they both cold call 125 and he makes it 215 you can go to 350-400
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08-11-2021 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by OmahaDonk
When short stacked fish makes a big (relative to 1-3) raise pre you should let his jam reopen the action. He had 215 and made it 35 so 125 works. Then when they both cold call 125 and he makes it 215 you can go to 350-400
+1

Good idea to commit this to memory so it becomes a reflexive action: When sizing a 3bet against a shortstack open, calculate their stack size minus their open size and divide by 2, then raise that amount on top of their bet.
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08-11-2021 , 07:47 PM
I'd bet like 200 on the flop to get max value from 1p hands and other draws. Villain might even peel with 2 overs.
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08-12-2021 , 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ChaosInEquilibrium
+1

Good idea to commit this to memory so it becomes a reflexive action: When sizing a 3bet against a shortstack open, calculate their stack size minus their open size and divide by 2, then raise that amount on top of their bet.
This is a great point guys. It wouldn’t have worked in this instance seeing as how in the place the raise has to be double to reopen, I would have had to raise to like 100 to make it work but I’m going to keep this in mind. Thanks.
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08-12-2021 , 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by OmahaDonk
When short stacked fish makes a big (relative to 1-3) raise pre you should let his jam reopen the action. He had 215 and made it 35 so 125 works. Then when they both cold call 125 and he makes it 215 you can go to 350-400
Great idea.
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