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Old 02-27-2019, 03:06 AM   #1
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225bb with Aces on the flop.

Live 1/2 game. Straddles every hand, and everyone has been raising around 15-20 preflop with loose callers.

Utg+1 who has been very active preflop raises 20. HJ calls and reg button calls.

Pots around 70


I’m in the sb with AA I make it 100.

Everyone folds an reg button flats last to act. He started with 450


Pots around 250

Flop: Kh 9h 5s

I bet 120, villain shoves and I intend to call here 100% of the time.



My question is villain ever going to shove anything less than value hands that beat me here to develop a bet/fold range on the flop?

Betting 75 seemed like a good idea to make it look like I’m on the missed part of my squeeze range, I can induce semi bluff shoves or even get middle pairs to defend.

The problem with this idea is that I think villain will call any amount with his continuing range and it wont build the pot enough to make a comfortable shove on the turn.

The other thing is I doubt villain even gets to the flop that often with 10 J, 10 Q, JQ combos and 67, 68, 78 combos. Maybe only 2 of those 6 hands.

I figured 120 is a good bet to go with on the flop because it seems like I would continue with this bet via my whole squeeze range (even though I wouldnt) and give villain the idea that he can still have value combos that beat me like maybe Kx and middling pairs. It builds the pot, and could make it look like I’m betting reasonable amounts with my possible draws by shoving turn.

The big question is should I ever fold? Does villain shove or just flat his draws in position? Does he ever just flat a set or two pair?

Is this situation already gonna be so profitable for me that even if I never get any more chips out of villains that it more than makes up for Getting stacked once in a while.

The 8/100 times this spot comes up, is it better to just call in hopes that villain does in fact have a very small portion of draws in his shove range here?
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Old 02-27-2019, 01:35 PM   #2
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Re: 225bb with Aces on the flop.

I don't think you can ever fold here for this amount of money compared to what's already in the pot.

Pre is good. Flop bet is good and I like the size. No need to go higher vs. one player and no need to go smaller. $75 just lets him see a cheap turn.

He should be jamming with a lot of hands that you beat. He should never have KK here or two pair. Yes, he could have 99/55, but if he's a solid reg he should never have those hands.
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Old 02-27-2019, 01:37 PM   #3
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Re: 225bb with Aces on the flop.

Also, do you have the Ah?
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Old 02-27-2019, 01:55 PM   #4
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Re: 225bb with Aces on the flop.

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Also, do you have the Ah?
Who cares you get almost 25% if your stack in pre with AA you should never fold the flop
If he put 100 in with 350 back and out flopped you good for him
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Old 02-27-2019, 02:16 PM   #5
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Re: 225bb with Aces on the flop.

Some people might care. It does weigh his range much better and makes it more interesting.

I already said you can never fold.

(You do have to wonder what he's doing this with if H has the Ah, but I'm still never folding.)
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Old 02-27-2019, 06:55 PM   #6
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Re: 225bb with Aces on the flop.

I didn’t have the Ah. Do regs flat in his position with weaker broadways that have draws on this board? Seems fit or fold to me.
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Old 02-28-2019, 03:45 AM   #7
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Re: 225bb with Aces on the flop.

There's the LLSNL forum for these kind of spots and i'm not staying that to be spiteful, but rather so you get better advice than what you probably would get in here.

How is this 225bb if villain has $450 total if everyone is straddling? This is more like a standard 100bb spot, which i'm somewhat baffled why there is a post here.

Don't overthink the situation at hand -- its a standard spot where you simply just pile in the $$$ imo.
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