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2 hands - Spew or unlucky? 2 hands - Spew or unlucky?

04-22-2018 , 10:42 PM
2/5/T
Hand 1 - Hero $1500 on BTN with KT
Straddled pot
Straddle has about $1000
Villain in straddled pot is not a reg

Solid villain goes $35 in CO
I go $100 on BTN
Straddle calls - Shouldn't ring too many alarm bells - he probably had a wide range here.
solid Villain folds - standard

$242
J53
check
Hero goes $125
Straddle calls

$492
4
check
Hero goes $310
Straddle jams for $770

Spoiler:
I fold - he asks if I want to see - I say sure and he has QT - Solid reg had QT - not sure about this hand. I could of easily just checked back but I have a diamond blocker - I get him to fold hands that beat me like A high and weak Jx so thoughts on this? Maybe just a fold pre?



Hand 2 2-5-T
Straddle pot
Hero is $2200
Villain is about $1500

Hero is in the straddle with AK
UTG blind raises to $30
4 calls
I go $230
only villain calls

$590~
Q42

Hero goes $230
Villain calls

8
Hero goes $475
Villain calls

4
Villain has about $500 left

Spoiler:
I check - and he checks back - I didn't feel like he was folding any of his range for the last $500 and he has QJ - Should I of just given up on this flop? Or picked different sizing?
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04-22-2018 , 11:18 PM
hand 1:
pick suited hands to 3b in position for weird bluffs. KTo is going to be weird to play in 3b pots imo, you hold lots of equity over x/f range and get dominated by his continuing hands.

hand 2: why are we triple barreling AK here? also that turn sizing leaving V $500 back in a pot that will be $1500 OTR can’t be good for almost any of your hands
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04-23-2018 , 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by apricotjello
hand 1:
pick suited hands to 3b in position for weird bluffs. KTo is going to be weird to play in 3b pots imo, you hold lots of equity over x/f range and get dominated by his continuing hands.

hand 2: why are we triple barreling AK here? also that turn sizing leaving V $500 back in a pot that will be $1500 OTR can’t be good for almost any of your hands
Hand 1 Agree - I think the off suite factor is pretty spew

Hand 2 - I can probably get him to fold JJ and TT - maybe even AQ - and I didn't triple barrel - I checked back river - how could I of played the hand better?
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04-23-2018 , 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by djevans
Hand 1 Agree - I think the off suite factor is pretty spew

Hand 2 - I can probably get him to fold JJ and TT - maybe even AQ - and I didn't triple barrel - I checked back river - how could I of played the hand better?


yeah my bad thought you fired river and he called.

anyway no player in the world is folding AQ to that size, you’d have a better shot taking him off Qx with a turn shove.

With this particular hand I’m checking flop and turn, but with flop betting range you should either size large enough that you can dump it in on the turn (this would require betting closer to 3/4 pot) or much smaller as I’ve seen some good players do OOP (not sure how to balance this line so i just use the bet flop / shove turn line with everything i want to get in and high equity bluffs.)
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04-23-2018 , 10:48 AM
Hand 1: 3b is spew unless gameflow/dynamics allow for it. Assuming they do, cbet is fine but x/b turn.

Hand 2:Need more explanation on villian. Why are we assuming he has a wide range in hand 1? Good sizing pre. Flop cbet is meh.. check or bet could both be ok but I like a smaller sizing if we do bet. Again more description of Villian would be helpful. X/b turn forsure if we do bet and get called on the flop. Turn is very spewy as played.
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04-23-2018 , 09:20 PM
Sorry - the 2 villains are different players.

In hand 2 he came over from a different table - and I say has a wide range because he has a VPIP of maybe 30-40
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04-24-2018 , 12:42 PM
This really depends on your style. I play both TAG and LAG. My swings are much lower when playing TAG but when I switch to LAG mode the swings are much larger.

Hand 1
I think in hand one if you do decide to play the hand a 3! on the button is fine and the flop C-bet is fine, if I am playing LAG. I would check the turn unless I have the A of diamonds. If I have it I would either shove the turn as a bluff or check behind to realize my equity, acting like this is a value bet in this situation is not a good LAG move and is a little spewy, however if you had the A you should do the 50% of the time.

Hand 2
If you are playing LAG or TAG preflop is good. If you are playing TAG the flop c-bet is fine, if you are playing LAG the flop C-bet is much to small. Remember the LAG is trying to represent AA KK or AQ here and a LAG is going to be potting these hands here against the perceived flush draw. So, if you are playing LAG and are in a 590 pot on the flop, bet 500-600 if he calls you are done with the hand, because he has committed himself to the pot, LOL unless you hit one of your overs.

Remember when playing LAG you are trying to use your blockers to represent the nuts and put tremendous pressure on your opponent, but once your opponent commits himself and you don't actually hold the nuts or nut blockers, let them have the pot.

Last edited by bhtong; 04-24-2018 at 12:52 PM.
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04-26-2018 , 10:22 AM
Really poor hand choice for 3!ing in hand one, and probably a bad spot choice if you weren't surprised the straddle cold-called. Flatting would be better with this hand if you're inclined to spew.

Main feedback for both hands is to learn to size your bets better in 3BPs. Bet the flop smaller in hand one if you're not going to jam the turn. Sizing in flop of hand 2 isn't abysmal because you can just shove the turn, but betting smaller and giving yourself 3 small bets is preferable on this board.

Also on hand 2, who is villain? What position and what was their preflop action? I'd take the remainder of my feedback on hand 2 with a giant grain of salt because I'm speaking without critical ranging information. Preflop sizing is overkill, but whatever.

Turn in hand 2 feels like we're in no-man's-land. If we'd bet smaller OTF, turn would be a standard barrel both because of range width and because we'd have room to make a smaller size on the turn. As played, shove is our only play, and that seems bad. But our flop size was small enough that we really should be continuing a lot on the turn, and there isn't much to continue with on the offsuit 8. Anyway, this is probably one of the last hands we should be bluffing with because we obliterate our equity.

But again, with the 8x 3! pre, ranges are probably so narrow that all this barreling wide ranges nonsense goes out the window and we're probably just bluffing with our draws.
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04-26-2018 , 12:33 PM
TL;DR: 4/5 spew, gave me mild PTSD flashbacks to my days when I was pretty lost in 3BPs.
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04-28-2018 , 07:41 AM
Villain in 2 hand 2 came from a broken table - He was BTN and called the $30 blind open. IT was My straddle to $10 - a blind raiser to $30 and a bunch of calls. I went $230 and don't mind a call but ideally wanted every one to fold.

I probably should of bet flop and given up if I don't improve. I don't really like any other action.


Hand 1 was meh - but why is shoving turn better than betting $330? I would think it accomplishes the same thing but I just risk more. I mean I guess I get to see a river lol.


Frankly I rarely play this aggressive - but decided to try it out for a night - probably should of moved down to a deep 1/3 to experiment as this night cost me about $2900. I know I ran poorly as I lost with a lot of premiums this session, but I still think I should of lost much less.
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04-28-2018 , 10:02 AM
I would bet flop smaller in Hand 1 and I would check turn as played, so arguing over turn sizing is just debating which option is less bad.
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04-28-2018 , 12:20 PM
1) the 3-bet is conditionally a spew. I think the turn is probably a check. You realize a lot of equity here by checking and it's hard to improve on that with a bet considering his range is fairly strong by now. I really think you're being optimistic that he could get to the turn with ace high. You fold out 99-66 and that isn't too many hands.

2) If you don't have the energy to tell us the number of players at the table and the position of the calling villain, then I don't have the energy to provide analysis of the hand.
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04-29-2018 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Renton555
1) the 3-bet is conditionally a spew. I think the turn is probably a check. You realize a lot of equity here by checking and it's hard to improve on that with a bet considering his range is fairly strong by now. I really think you're being optimistic that he could get to the turn with ace high. You fold out 99-66 and that isn't too many hands.

2) If you don't have the energy to tell us the number of players at the table and the position of the calling villain, then I don't have the energy to provide analysis of the hand.
in hand 2 it's full ring and he was BTN which was stated
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05-01-2018 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by djevans
in hand 2 it's full ring and he was BTN which was stated
where?
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05-02-2018 , 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Renton555
where?


post 13
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05-10-2018 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by jvds
post 13
Post 10, not that it's relevant at this point.
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05-10-2018 , 03:10 PM
Pretty big spew in both hands.

H1 3b K10o in any position is 99.99% -EV.

H2 I don't know why you're barreling with little to no equity
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05-10-2018 , 07:25 PM
no spoilers

Hand 1
not crazy about the 3bet, might just be a style difference, would much prefer to polarize here, just flat or *fold* KTo imo
cbet good
turn would take the card a high %, but OK.
river, whatever, just fold ap.... eyeballing the raise it looks like we need all diamonds and K to be good to call, I don't like it.

Hand 2
fine throughout
river do whatever I like checkback, I don't see live players who call twice oop on Q428 suddenly being compelled to fold a pair getting a billion to one

**should add, bah, w/e 3/11 spew, there's people who spew harder

****w spoilers
Hand 1 it sounds like you have it in retrospect

Hand 2 I like betting flop on Q42. I haven't looked at it but I want to say our best barrel cards with our 3b range are AK (pretty obvious) T 9 8 4 2, probably mix on J356 maybe K? (not sure about his, might be overly cautious), avoid 2 barrel on Q and diamonds.... (I know this looks like faceup poker, but I'm relatively sure this is close
changing your flop sizing here isn't going to dramatically effect your overall ev. I don't know enough about turn sizing to answer whether we could use something different there but I feel like the advantage of the sizing you took is that it gives the illusion of being commited and makes playing rivers relatively easy. maybe something to be said for underbet underbet, big bet on non connected runout i.e. 200 300 700 or maybe 150 250 800, idk, just spitballing

Last edited by sungar78; 05-10-2018 at 07:40 PM.
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05-14-2018 , 04:40 AM
surprised by these responses tbh
i think KTo is a great candidate to 3b bluff COvBTN.. i'd be much more inclined to flat suited combos as they play much better post

but we def need to go bigger
value comes from taking down the pot pre or on flop, regs aren't folding much for 3x 3b in cash games
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05-14-2018 , 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by djevans

Straddle calls - Shouldn't ring too many alarm bells - he probably had a wide range here.
solid Villain folds - standard
what?
why does a cold call here not ring many alarm bells?

also reg in CO folding in this exact spot is not standard
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05-16-2018 , 01:44 PM
Hand 1 - 3b is ok at low frequency. Fold pre looks better. Post flop looks good but idk u might be priced in w the fd
Hand 2- I’m pretty sure you want to x without BackDoorFlush hearts and mostly x/f don’t like betting akhh on this board

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