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2/5 Home game tough spot with QQ 2/5 Home game tough spot with QQ

08-28-2019 , 11:35 AM
-Utg ($1500 eff) opens $20, he's a good pro that I've played with alot over the years.
-Loose passive Mp calls $20 ($800 eff), I raise otb with QQ to $100 ($1500 eff)
-sb who is manaic, shoves $220, utg pro flats $220 and mp folds.

With this stack size I am contemplating if should just be flatting all hands or flatting certain hands and just jamming certain hands. I'm very sure utg is flatting his entire range in this spot because of our dynamic.

I think raising isn't the best option for me because I either get folds from worse or have to call off his jam because im priced in due to stack sizes. If I opt to build a flatting and jamming range what would it look like? Maybe flatting range of most AA, some KK and JJ along with TT, AQ,AJ,other suited boradways then jamming small percentage of AA, the rest of my KK and JJ with QQ,AK, Axs

Thoughts? Thanks

Last edited by Zman97; 08-28-2019 at 11:53 AM.
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08-28-2019 , 12:24 PM
Why would UTG pro flat his entire range and let you in, in position, for $120 more, if he has a hand stronger than yours?

Iso-raise to $650. He’s never coming over the top without KK/AA.
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08-28-2019 , 03:06 PM
You say you have played with utg alot over the years, what is his play style like. This is certainly not a flat imo, and we should be looking to isolate as there is already over $400 in the pot right now, and we have QQ which is not great multiway.

I bump it to $650.
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08-28-2019 , 04:01 PM
His style is very TAG. I ended up making it $500 thinking he could come over the top with AK and other pairs because it looks like i'm trying to iso. I ended up calling off his jam. He had AA. I spoke to him after the hand and he told me that he would flat his entire range there utg. It just got me thinking that raising might not have been great but that's probably being results oreinted. I guess his range is wide enough that I can iso a lot of hands ip. What would my range look like there then. What hands am I flatting and what hands am I raising?

Last edited by Zman97; 08-28-2019 at 04:07 PM.
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08-28-2019 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Zman97
His style is very TAG. I ended up making it $500 thinking he could come over the top with AK and other pairs because it looks like i'm trying to iso. I ended up calling off his jam. He had AA. I spoke to him after the hand and he told me that he would flat his entire range there utg. It just got me thinking that raising might not have been great but that's probably being results oreinted. I guess his range is wide enough that I can iso a lot of hands ip. What would my range look like there then. What hands am I flatting and what hands am I raising?

This is interesting. He probably had a read on you that you’ll be trying to iso there with a wider range once he overcalls.

Either way, you could definitely fold to his backraise ship. IME, it’s never AK. AK would be a hand he would definitely iso because it may be not strong enough to backraise over your iso. But who knows.
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08-29-2019 , 05:57 PM
I think it's a flat pre. I think you have to be very, very careful here because of the action and UTG deciding to cold call a 4bet. I can't see QQ doing well here as a 5bet facing this action.

UTG can easily flat AA here. He could balance a 5bet with AK, yes, but its very possible he just decides 'a 5bet looks too strong here'. Be honest - what would you do if he 5bet? Are you continuing with QQ?

UTG can't be bluffing since he flatted, and he's UTG in the middle of heavy action... yes, SB is a maniac, but UTG can't flat a bunch of hands here because of that alone. He will have premium hands, and by flatting we keep the worst of those in his range where QQ will do best. We've already got an all-in and MP folded so UTG is the only active player remaining.

The fact that SB jammed here matters too. Even if he has a wide range, it still lowers our equity which disincentivizes us from piling more money into a dry side pot. If we flat, UTG will have to play more carefully and more face up. This is good when we have QQ.
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08-30-2019 , 08:28 PM
Utg pro flats a maniac who is all in. He doesn't raise to isolate. Why? I'd be asking that question before 5 betting. I'd certainly be isolating the maniac with QQ. Is it likely he would be playing implied odds hands after a 3 bet and then a jam? I doubt it.
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09-07-2019 , 07:50 PM
ez shove pre, u want to isolate the maniac, and clean up your equity vs the pro, get him out of there since it will be difficult to play if an A or K flops

oh he had aces??? unlucky
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09-09-2019 , 11:35 AM
I like the flat from V a lot. If he chooses to raise his AA and KK, his flatting range becomes super capped and hero can iso really wide. It might be interesting to see a minraise here with all of their range. Because what I don't like about flatting is having 99 or aq, a hand that benefits a lot from playing hu instead of three ways oop, and hero is getting a great price.
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