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Old 03-07-2019, 05:07 AM   #1
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$2/5/10 top 2 spot

background: i dont play much poker anymore. ~once every few weeks. used to play a lot more and tried to move up to $5/10. did ok, not good/great, but played in softer games. i feel like i was behind the curve of the better $5/10 regs in my area... so trying to improve and work on my game a bit.

H: younger asian kid. villain knows of me but we dont know each other well. he prob knows i usually play $2/5 more often. not sure if he views me as scared money or anything like that. i think he views me as competent/tighter

V: 30-something asian guy. reg in this game, but not a pro. he plays pretty deep. not afraid of spots. for example, he called a x/r on an Axxcc flop and a pot size turn jam vs another guy in a bomb with A4o. he snap called the turn jam and held vs a flush draw

history - H opened from MP $35, V 3b $150 from sb, i 4b to $450, and V jams (he covered) for $1.1k eff. he had AQs and we chopped (i had KK)



OTTH:

Hero (~$2k) UTG AcKs opens to $35
Villain (covers) CO 3b to $135
Hero flats (what frequency should I be 4betting AKo here?)

when i open from EP i dont think villain 3b too wide. I think its basically AQ/JJ+ he prob flats TT


Flop (~$270): AsKd7c
Hero check
Villain bets $150
Hero call

Turn (~$570): Qc
Hero check
villain bets $375
Hero?

obviously not folding... x/c x/jam or x/r? also, thoughts on the line so far? should i be 4bet always? if not always, what frequency should we be 4bet? i think his 3bet range is pretty tight here, but just my opinion. which i think means his turn betting range is pretty much AQ/AK/AA/KK/QQ and maybe some like 5c6c if he is 3betting me those hands
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Old 03-07-2019, 06:47 AM   #2
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Re: $2/5/10 top 2 spot

I 4bet pre (every time?)

Ap I just check/call down. I donít see much point in ever raising since our range is behind our opponents range
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Old 03-07-2019, 10:54 AM   #3
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Re: $2/5/10 top 2 spot

We should be 4b pre almost everytime vs. this opponent

AP x/c down to river.. we should be feeling pretty good. 3 combos of QQ that crush us but 6 combos of AQ 2 pair'd, AJ will often go two streets as well. From his perspective he has the range advantage and trying to milk out weaker aces that you should have in your 3b flat, he will likely be betting over-aggressively on a AKx texture vs. 3b flat
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Old 03-07-2019, 02:31 PM   #4
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Re: $2/5/10 top 2 spot

4bet/GII with AK for 200bb is ok? i assume his 3bet range vs my UTG is pretty narrow, so i flatted because i wasnt sure if 4bet/GII would be a good idea
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Old 03-07-2019, 03:06 PM   #5
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4bet/GII with AK for 200bb is ok? i assume his 3bet range vs my UTG is pretty narrow, so i flatted because i wasnt sure if 4bet/GII would be a good idea
He 5bet jammed with AQ
So you can comfortably 4bet his 3b with AK
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Old 03-07-2019, 04:03 PM   #6
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He 5bet jammed with AQ
So you can comfortably 4bet his 3b with AK
felt like MP vs SB was a lot diff than UTG vs BTN.

is this still a 4b/GII spot vs an unknown at $/510? assume unknown seems like a reg/non-whale?
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Old 03-08-2019, 04:01 AM   #7
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Re: $2/5/10 top 2 spot

H1 I would def 4b smaller IP, dunno wtf he was doing jamming AQs vs your committing sizing that has 0 bluffs.

H2 having seen him 5b lol jam AQs vs a 4b I am 4-betting this pre. AP i call down vs spewy guy, no sense in raising
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Old 03-08-2019, 04:03 AM   #8
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felt like MP vs SB was a lot diff than UTG vs BTN.

is this still a 4b/GII spot vs an unknown at $/510? assume unknown seems like a reg/non-whale?
tbh can probably 4b/f this deep, seriously doubt he is 5b jamming AQ/QQ/JJ here vs your 4b. sounds dumb to use AK then "as a bluff" but should show higher EV than just flatting, esp since I expect him to be pretty lite when he 3b's but extremely tight 5b jamming BTN vs UTG 200bb deep. i dont think he rly 5b jams here that often due to not 5-betting wide enough being IP this deep, so that should be the least of your worries.

actually, now i think about it he has a lot of incentive to flat mostly everything IP this deep except maybe AA so dont think getting 5b that often, and him risking 2k to win like 600 vs an insanely tight 4b range seems pretty dumb of him and dont think most people have the balls for that, esp when they got caught bluffing earlier with a 5b jam. like he shouldnt expect you to fold ever here when you 4b and he jams.
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Old 03-17-2019, 09:55 PM   #9
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Re: $2/5/10 top 2 spot

Yea nh now call. There will be some raises on this flop even vs his huge sizing and AK will make up a lot of those raises but mostly just calling. On turn same thing but mostly just calling.

Exploitatively just 4bet this guy. A very common leak for live players (especially one who played the first hand like this)is not tightening up their 3bet ranges enough vs EP/MP opens.

Theory wise this a call pre more often than a 4bet but still 4bet occasionally, and 4betting AKs more often than AKo. If i remember correctly.
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Old 03-18-2019, 01:36 PM   #10
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Re: $2/5/10 top 2 spot

Call turn and play rivers

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Old 03-20-2019, 05:00 PM   #11
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I 4bet pre (every time?)

Ap I just check/call down. I donít see much point in ever raising since our range is behind our opponents range
+1. We have the best hand to rep Aa/kk and we are utg. If we dont 3bet this hand we can be pretty easily exploited.
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Old 03-21-2019, 03:15 PM   #12
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Yea nh now call. There will be some raises on this flop even vs his huge sizing and AK will make up a lot of those raises but mostly just calling. On turn same thing but mostly just calling.

Exploitatively just 4bet this guy. A very common leak for live players (especially one who played the first hand like this)is not tightening up their 3bet ranges enough vs EP/MP opens.

Theory wise this a call pre more often than a 4bet but still 4bet occasionally, and 4betting AKs more often than AKo. If i remember correctly.

ty Jarretman.

so vs most unknowns who seem fairly "reggy", its ok to not 4b AK?

post flop, it felt weak just x/c top 2 but i felt against his range raising is too thin.
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Old 03-23-2019, 06:50 PM   #13
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Re: $2/5/10 top 2 spot

Vs. A BTN 3-Bet, I feel like 4bet makes more sense. Maybe against a SB 3bet, the occasional call would make more sense, since you get to play post-flop in position.

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