Home game setting, my 2nd time there so don't know most of the players. 9 handed.

Villain: smart, "dangerous" LAG. The type of player that is very good but lacks discipline to his own EV's demise (so in a sense, not good). He is down over 1.5k in a deep 2/5 game (not surprising). Very aggressive in big pots and weaker players avoid him. Have only played with him so much but my guess is that he is a winning player. He was running the table over before hitting some high variance run-bad.

Hero: perceived as LAG, have been 3-betting weak players IP a good amount this session. V is perceptive and puts hero as LAG (called one of my bluffs earlier in the night), though I'm not as lag as himself.

Effective stacks: $2.5k ish

Straddle is on for $10. 30-50% hands at this point are straddled.

Weak player opens to $30. Villain 3-bets to $110. Hero wakes up in SB with QQ and 4-bets to $325. Villain calls quickly (not atypical for him to snap call)

Villain has a very low fold to 3bet or 4bet IP. I haven't seen him fold to a 3bet or 4bet all night (~3hrs) in a game that is pretty aggressive. Haven't seen him 5-bet either, yet (though he did later in the night). Not surprised he called, and I expect him to be decently wide. He may think I'm wide as well, not sure. I'm definitely not thrilled to be going OOP against him.

Heads up to flop

Flop (~$680): 763r. Check check.

Thoughts here? I think default here is to range-bet 1/3ish, but I felt that would accomplish nothing here except bloat the pot OOP against a dangerous V since with this V he rarely (never) folds to a c-bet in a headsup 3b / 4b pot. Thoughts?

Turn (~$680): J. Now a flush draw.

I bet $250. Quick call (he normally calls quick).

River (~$1180): K. No flush. K is good for our range... what do we do here?

Thoughts on previous streets?

Betting 1/3 has the advantage to attack the weakest part of V range as well charging his overs. So you would definitely achieve something by betting 1/3 here.
Considering your description of V, you have more hands here in your value 4betting Range and can use other hands as checks if you feel you need to (I wouldn’t, as I would bet range 1/3 here). QQ is too strong and V has so much more worse value hands to call. If he raises, reevaluate.
If you decide to check Flop, I would definitely size up turn, especially with a flush draw out. 66-80%.
As played, river is a fine check if V bluffs scare cards and judging by your description he will. Then again his check on the flop decreases his likelihood of air, as I would expect him to bet his non show down most of the time on a board that is better for his perceived range.

Sorry I fat fingered - I bet 350 on the turn, not 250, I remember I bet just over half pot. So river is 1380.

Wow, if he's rarely folding to a c-bet in a headsup 3b/4b pot, wouldn't you want to bet pretty large for value? If you go $500 here and he calls, you can just shove the turn for value.

Don't understand the flop check.

Really simple, but good point. Your hand is just way too strong not to bet for value.

Agree.

Hypothetically, what if stack sizes are larger so instead of shoving turn we bet. River is K (same as in the post) and we have over the pot left. What do we do vs. LAG when we are OOP?

I felt stuck in a conundrum where K is good for our range but if we bet not much worse will call. Should we be betting here to add bluffs to balance the times our AK/KQ/Suited K's hit? I ended up betting river and he folded.

c/c river imo, he still has a lot of missed draws, he almost never has a king unless it's specifically KJ which doesn't seem likely enough to fold, we block KQ combos and AK can sometimes be ruled out by PF, he also may bet his Jx for value but doesn't call with it, betting just allows him to fold all the worse hands in his range and not stab the river, tho AJ probably checks back and perhaps calls, i think that is the only hand we lose value to when we check but he can fold that hand too to a bet

rest of the hand looks good but i think we can have a light cold 4bet range in this spot so i think betting our entire range some of the time is fine but checking a lot of the time is somewhat standard

just seems like a spot where we can have a super light 9high 3bet range with a cbet on this flop is going to be overall profitable by description

Yeah, make 3-bet bigger because oop and because he'll probably call wide so charge him.

I don't understand the flop check or turn really.

By the river I think the hand is medium strength but we don't want to face a check raise so I'd probably check-call and hope that everyone sees that I'm a big dummy for checking QQ on the flop and turn.

Pre you should just 4x it since you are deep and oop. Flop check is fine as you shouldn't be getting 3 streets of value and you dont have much to protect and it makes it look like you missed. Turn I'd look to get value, 60% pot and you can go smaller on the river to potentially get called by something like 99.

0/4

Ship already sailed here man.

True. Should've just went bet bet - way overthought the hand.


What do we do if we still have a PSB left OTR after we go bet bet? Do we check or bet when the K comes?

Why flop check? Bad players play bad by calling too much, when you check you let them swerve into playing better.

I disagree with almost this whole sentiment

First I do not agree with the logic that the bet is not warranted because the player will almost always call. A bet should be made with a purpose, for example to extract value from certain parts of another players range or to target a part of villains range to fold which is better than your own holdings. If villain is not folding two over cards to a 1/3 Cbet then that is beneficial to you and will end up +EV. You said that he is defending relatively wide therefore you do not want to give GS's and OE's a free card like 9Ts and 89s. The river I think is most of the time going to be a x/c depending on sizings as well. Although if you want to play more exploitatively, I think the likelihood of his holdings is going to be based around middling pocket pairs and maybe Jx so there could be some merit to betting a smaller amount on the river. The reason why i think it would be these holdings is that I would assume that on the turned flush card he would raise most of his value range.