Hero is a rec player maybe plays once a month and has history with villain. Hero alternates playing tight/lag and can turn into a fish and spew if loses a few hands. Have called an all in bluff against said villain in past with bottom pair but has been getting taken to value town since. This session hero is up about 2500 against villain but I have definitely been doing more folding.

Villain is a lag pro and knows when I’m weak and knows how to take me to value town or make me fold. He has been the aggressor 2 hours into session.

I had told villain I was leaving at a certain time so this is the last hand of our session.

Effective stacks 4500.

Hero with 7c7d on the button

Hero opens to 70 and villain three bets to 300 (this has been his standard three bet siZe this session). Hero calls. (Pot 600)

Flop Qs10h4s.

Villain bets 200 (has been a standard down bet from him). Hero calls. (Pot 1000)

Turn 4h.

Villain 650. Hero calls (pot 2300)

River 5d

Villain all in. Hero?

Thoughts on all streets appreciated.

Fold turn

or
fold river

What is the bottom of our range with which we should be calling against this shove?


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dont like that dynamic of him knowing you are leaving, i think folding the turn is fine here, but if i call the turn i call the river

This looks like a reverse roles thread where OP was actually the "lag pro" and this rec player called him down with 77 and he's looking for justification on his bluff.

Fold flop

haha yeah almost certainty this. good call

I’m definitely the rec player lol.

No one can help with the bottom of the calling range question?

What does the villains line look like to you all?


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You will know the villain better than anyone so what's villain's value range here?

What is the worst made hand villain bets vs your range?

Is villain 3 barrel bluffing vs you given history?

Value range aq+ maybe?

The board seems pretty draw heavy so def could be Triple barrel.

His bigger bet on turn maybe picked up the flush draw?


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Ok so what's your range look like going into the river?

I obviously have 77 there and don’t block either of the flush draws...

Trying to figure out of if too loose.

Issue here is that it’s heads up so I’m not as familiar with ranges since I used to playing morefull ring.


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I mean right if you get here with 77 on this river you'll have a bunch of middle strength hands that should have the same relative value vs villain's whiffed draws and value range. But you don't have to call with all of them to make villain's bluffs indifferent. You obviously know how to pick candidates that don't block bluffs so look at his bluffing range and look at your calling candidates and decide how many you need to make bluffs indifferent (assuming villain is bluffing enough with what appears to be an overbluff shove on the river).

Edit: Also don't forget to prefer candidates that might block villain's value range but unblocks bluffs, assuming you make it to the river with such hands.

I really, really disagree with the bolded. The implicit assumption is that Villain will fire a third barrel on the river with virtually all of his turn barreling range. For most players, on this board, that would be a terrible assumption.

I agree with the bolded on this particular hand and this particular run-out.

Fold turn, call river.

After a bit more thought, I should clarify what I said, and perhaps give pokerforjoker credit for a more nuanced view than I attributed to him.

To the extent pfj was saying the bolded on the theory that Villain will fire a third barrel on the river with virtually all of his turn barreling range, I continue to disagree. Even on this runout, I don't think that's true.

But pfj may have been saying that (i) Villain's barreling range on the river is much more polarized than his barreling range on the turn, and (ii) he believes a call on the river will be +EV against a more polarized range.

Perhaps that's true. It's very Villain dependent.

I thought about this and he knew I was leaving potentially up and that I might protect my profits and just fold to a barrel.

He looked guilty but almost using it like a reverse tell so I folded.

Thanks everyone for all your great thoughts. I guess I should’ve just folded the turn and saved myself 650. I had a feeling he was going all in on any river if I made that call on the turn anyway. In the end, I thought it was too much at the bottom of my range though I felt he had more bluffs than value

He showed me an ace of hearts as I left.


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Fairly easy river call. Agree turn should have been a fold.

Look at his whole line to see his strategy.

The downbet on the flop, followed by 2/3 ish turn (650), and all in river on a paired board on turn is used by him for value or a bluff or both? I would tend to think both for this player. That said heads up I think he is 3bing pre with a lot of combinations that don’t beat you, suited aces, J9s, 86ss type hands, and if LAGish like most players will blast off with lines like this because players overfold.

I call river too. The all-in looks very bluffy. Nice hand if he has a huge Queen.

Would he just show you the bluff if he had AJhh? Helps to know for future judgment of his betting lines.

cant believe no one said u are calling down with 3rd pair in position is OK. You have to fight back son. He is running you over. save those calls for hands with more equity, and even then you should be firing back still.

When he bet 1/3 pot I'd reraise him to 1000 then reevaluate. You ended up spending the same amoutn of money by the river anyway and was completely in the dark.

Not sure if he’d show me...

He always mucks straight into the muck so I was surprised he even showed me one.


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I was a little surprised too that everyone quickly said fold. It’s heads up which I don’t have much experience in but it is a paired board. I’ve taken a stand early on and then have been getting owned since (calling and folding incorrectly).


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better fold flop for passive and honest opp
call flop fold turn for aggressive and bluffly opp
call turn call river for crazy bluffly opp only