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10-12-2018 , 12:01 PM
I am viewed as a LAG for a long time
But I was staying at home playing online game for last 4 weeks and didn’t play any live game so I play much more solid than before
All players in this hand all know me for long time and view me as a good LAG

Game dynamics was super crazy. Everyone was playing insanely loose but not too aggressive
5/10/20
So. A very lose passive station limps UTG. I rasie to 105 from UtG+1 with A10h
Everyone folds to BB who calls 105. Straddle also calls. UTG folds.
BB is a very tight passive players but in very few occasions will suddenly be dumb and go nuts and straddle is a high stake tournament player but not good at cash games at all.
My stack 8K. BB somewhere around 10k. Straddle has a bit less than 3K
Flop 9d8s7h both check. I cbet 200. Both calls
Turn 6s BB checks. Straddle leads for 300. I rasie to 1k. Somehow the SB 3bet the turn to 2k and straddle reshoves for somewhere around 2.7k
What would you do if you were in my shoes.
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10-12-2018 , 01:57 PM
Check flop and i suck. call river.
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10-12-2018 , 03:58 PM
+1 for checking flop.

As played, I can't see how one of them don't raise the nuts on the flop with so many action killing turn cards.

Call the re-shove, closing the action. Fold the river on a paired board or spade if there's a big bet.

Try to fade a spade and chop it.
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10-12-2018 , 04:57 PM
Limon’s dilemma. If anyone can guess what I am referring to I’ll be pretty impressed.
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10-12-2018 , 06:22 PM
You dropped the soap when you picked up raising chips on the turn
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10-13-2018 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by surf doc
Limon’s dilemma. If anyone can guess what I am referring to I’ll be pretty impressed.
I'd guess you mean calling home from jail, saying "come and get me out, don't ask me how I got here"?
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10-13-2018 , 02:09 AM
Just how tight passive is this BB? There’s a point where we can just fold here...
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10-13-2018 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jrr63
I'd guess you mean calling home from jail, saying "come and get me out, don't ask me how I got here"?
Something like that. I would have to go back and read his exact post but it is something like, "Hey dad, I was drunk driving and hit a kid. Now I am in jail. Any tips on how to avoid getting ass raped?"

In this hand it applies after we raise the turn and end up in a spot we shouldn't be in.
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10-13-2018 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by surf doc
Something like that. I would have to go back and read his exact post but it is something like, "Hey dad, I was drunk driving and hit a kid. Now I am in jail. Any tips on how to avoid getting ass raped?"

In this hand it applies after we raise the turn and end up in a spot we shouldn't be in.
I miss Limon on 2+2 - hope he has gotten a handle on the drinking.
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10-13-2018 , 01:39 PM
SOME MORE POKER ADVICE…
I love all of the posts that say disregard everthing I did before I got check raised all in on the river and just tell me what to do now. Its like, “hey Dad its me billy and im in jail. Don’t ask me why I got drunk (standard). Don’t ask me why I drove (yawn). Don’t ask me how my car ended up in a 7-11 (meh). Just tell me how to keep from getting buttfuqqed tonight.

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Originally Posted by ScoopThaPoop
Billy, you dropped the soap when you picked up raising chips on the turn
FMP

Guess how long ago Limon’s 2k post was
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10-13-2018 , 11:02 PM
Turn raise is the mistake in the hand. Straddle has 16 combos of JT pre whereas BB and you should only have 4 each max and while he will raise some otf he will also trap call some. I dont think I would have a raising range as the UTG+1 opener on this turn. As played pretty gross spot. Im folding but I hate it.

Edit: Actually nevermind, given this price on the turn I dont think we can fold. Even expecting just to chop. Either way this spot sucks dicks
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10-14-2018 , 11:18 AM
I'd fold and be too embarrassed at how bad I played this hand to even post it.
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10-23-2018 , 01:07 AM
easy fold to 3b, sure you can call and try to go for a chop...but your whole stack will be at risk just to try and chop chop...maybe your game is so juicy they 3b/shove with a 5 or worse
not sure why we are cbetting flop and raising the turn

i'd like your play if and only if you have 10j
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10-26-2018 , 03:16 AM
x/c flop
flat turn
fold r if pairing or spade

Dont see the merit of cbetting flop vs V1 + V2 pre calling range
Dont see the merit of 3bing turn

As said before, that d be a nice play if you had J10
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10-26-2018 , 09:58 AM
I don't hate the cbet but that turn raise is total AIDS, and it should be obvious why.

As played, I don't know whether to puke/call or puke/fold. Can you clarify who's who OTT? I'm confused about that, maybe I'm the only one though.
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10-27-2018 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TimeBomb
I'd fold and be too embarrassed at how bad I played this hand to even post it.
lol
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10-27-2018 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by TimeBomb
I'd fold and be too embarrassed at how bad I played this hand to even post it.
Pretty rude. This website wouldn't exist if not for those courageous enough to post their blunders.
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10-27-2018 , 02:29 PM
In position with a BDFD, I actually don't mind a flop c-bet here, but I still think checking back is better. This flop should be hit your opponent's pf calling ranges more than yours given that you raised from utg+1.

As played I would call the turn lead from straddle player. I really don't like the turn raise. Once we get check-raised and crammed on it's a sigh fold IMO.
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10-27-2018 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerPrince
Pretty rude. This website wouldn't exist if not for those courageous enough to post their blunders.
Rude? Seems like a compliment to OP for being brave enough to post it while TimeBomb would just chicken out.
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10-28-2018 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by pilliapina
Rude? Seems like a compliment to OP for being brave enough to post it while TimeBomb would just chicken out.
Right … and the irony is OP's username is ChickenJoe!
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10-31-2018 , 06:03 AM
Turn raise isn't that bad guys. The game is insanely loose and Straddle player only bet 1/3 pot.
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10-31-2018 , 09:33 AM
Those are not good enough reasons to reopen the action. DUCY?
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11-09-2018 , 11:44 PM
Flop Check is much preferred. You aren't even drawing to the nuts. As you get deeper, having the actual nuts rather than nutty type hands becomes more important.

Ace high may very well be good, and IDK what you are going to make fold here on flop in a MW pot.

I'd MUCH rather cbet a hand like QT where when I hit the Jack, I can cooler a Ten.

I think checking flop is good in that we have some good hands to call down with vs turn probes and we will also have the BDFD on turned flush cards.

This flop texture is horrendous for your range, as it smashes both villains calling ranges and hits a smaller % of our opening range. Also straddle has tons of nut straights here where we only really have 4

As played- call the turn bet. What do you think you are getting value from when someone donks into a MW pot on a straighting boards
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11-13-2018 , 07:28 PM
Barf. This is a tough spot.

Reraising limper with A10h on a table that loose may not be a good idea. If table is insanely loose and you can get away with playing tighter and still get good action why not do it? It's a good hand to limp behind and see what happens. The nut flush draw will play well mutli-way and if there's not much action preflop you can be pretty sure your ace has the best kicker. Of course, if you're going to do that sometimes you need to limp behind with strong hands, but as long as you do that I think limping behind is fine.

As played there's 12 possible combos of J10 that the straddle could have. Assuming BB also has a 10, like it looks like he does, that goes down to 8 possible combos. Another possible hand for BB is 10-10 which would leave 4 combos.

I think straddle might also have a set and figure there's too much in the pot already to let it go and figure he's still doing okay if you guys have straights because he can to draw to a boat or quads or if he has a big draw or anything worse than a set. Maybe like AsXs or QsJs, KsJs in addition to the dreaded J10.

I'm way more scared of the straddle than the BB and BB is the deep stack. I think he's folding J10 off like 95% of the time preflop here unless you're REALLY Lag. Folding J10s like 70% of the time, he may be concerned about a limp-raise from UTG or raise from straddle and he's out of position with his drawing hand. It looks to me like maybe sets or 10-10 which I think all match his preflop call.

Even if straddle has the poorly slow played nuts you still might be able to win a nice side pot from BB. I don't think straddle has much of an incentive to raise and push you out with the nuts. It doesn't make sense to be that scared of backdoor spades especially if his J10 contains a spade or even 2 spades.

There are real life implications with this much money at stake. Bad players are usually there to gamble but bad players at 10-20 often had some success at lower stakes with a straightforward not bluffing quite enough and getting value from their good hands. A10s and 1010 I think are probably about the only hands you can have that contain a 10 unless you're also raising with J10s and 910s. As the BB played it J10 doesn't make sense to me but if he's a bad player he might have done some weird things with J10 and have it in this spot. 400bb is a lot to invest even if it's the 2nd nuts.

I don't know, depends on the player and how well I know the BB and If I think he's capable of calling preflop with J10, then check calling it on the flop without me picking up a read, then 3-betting small on the turn. I don't know why he'd 3-bet with any holding but maybe part of his donkiness is that he can't bet his big hands big because it would feel bad to get a fold. Depends on the players, I don't know.

In that spot I'd probably just call and hope for the best and not 3-bet the turn unless they think you're a donk that would fall head over heels for his overpair.
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11-21-2018 , 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by TrumpEatsHisPoo
Even if straddle has the poorly slow played nuts you still might be able to win a nice side pot from BB.
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In that spot I'd probably just call and hope for the best [..]
I don't see how these ideas fit together.

Any large river bet into a dry pot confirms we have a strong hand. The BB can never pay off with a hand we beat.

Our only hope to win a big side pot, is if we river bet medium-sized into the dry side pot, and hope BB inexplicably decides to bluff. Seems extremely hopeful that all the stars would align for that kind of payoff.
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