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Old 07-16-2012, 06:56 PM   #1
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10/20/40 KK multiway facing heat on turn

Aria 10/20. Kind of a slow table outside of me and V1 who are playing a ton of hands and are playing pretty aggressively. Basically V1 and I are the only ones straddling. Table is fairly soft.

V1: Indian dude who plays really well. Have seen him turn two hands with decent SD value into bluffs vs a strong range and get called both times, tells very believable stories and was pretty surprised he lost both pots. Will slowplay big pairs like JJ and QQ pre and take initiative with them by donking flops and turns. So far it looks like he leads a pretty strong range. 4k

V2: Armanian dude who I can't figure out. He limps a ton pre and doesn't open that much, but does open for raises. He's tangled a ton vs V1 who I think must have history against. Played a really weird hand where he bet J74cc board, then bet/ called 3 turn when V1 raised him, then retook initiative and BET/CALLED Ao river when V1 jammed over him and V2 won with KJhh. Super weird hand. We've tangled in a few pots, no real history except I've raised two of his flop bets with air and he retook initiative both times on the turn with PSBs that I had to fold to.

Hero: Playing LAG, showing down a lot of winners when I show down. 22k

Hero opens KK UTG to 140

V1 calls from the BB
V2 calls from the Straddle

Flop J37

V1 leads 280
Hero thinks 5 seconds and calls
V2 thinks 10 seconds and calls

Turn 5

V1 checks
Hero bets 680
V2 thinks 10 seconds and makes it 1500
V1 fold quickly
The strangest part about this hand is that V1 hasn't raised hardly ever, which made me hate life here but this guy has played some hands weird in the past and I has KK so Hero tanks 1 minute and calls (thoughts?)

River 4
V1 instantly says 1500
Hero?

I think it's really weird that he instantly bet this river. If he has a big hand he should at least think a second about the four straight right? The insta-bet that was really weird.
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:51 PM   #2
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Re: 10/20/40 KK multiway facing heat on turn

Out of curiosity was V2's name Adam? I guess the easiest answer is that he already had the straight or a set of 5s on the turn and assumed you had an overpair, so was not worried by the river. Or it's a stone bluff, again assuming he could get you off of an overpair.
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Old 07-16-2012, 10:52 PM   #3
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Re: 10/20/40 KK multiway facing heat on turn

not sure what his name is, never got it
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:02 AM   #4
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Re: 10/20/40 KK multiway facing heat on turn

When I saw the line he took on river I instantly thought of turning your hand into a bluff now on the river...you didn't state how deep he is?
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Old 07-17-2012, 01:33 AM   #5
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Re: 10/20/40 KK multiway facing heat on turn

definitely calling river if I'm calling turn. usually quick bets on rivers that change the boards are bluffs. decent amount of flush combos you can beat.

on a side note, what do you think about raising flop for value? I don't think anyone leads/3bets this dry flop with a set. He's prolly calling Jx, cuz it looks like you are bluff raising him a ton on this dry board where he is way ahead way behind. he also might try to 3 bet bluff you on the flop.
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Old 07-17-2012, 01:34 PM   #6
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Re: 10/20/40 KK multiway facing heat on turn

Is V2 (Armenian) in the straddle or BB? If he's in the straddle then he has to be acting in between you and V1 on the flop.
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Old 07-17-2012, 01:43 PM   #7
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Re: 10/20/40 KK multiway facing heat on turn

probably folding turn in this spot, just don't see armenian raising your turn bet when it's still 3 ways with draw here for fear of V1 or you 3b'ing turn. Near 0% chance he has air given the flop overcall.

I'm pretty against turning our hand into a bluff on the river given the KJhh hand as well, so I guess if we call turn, I fold river.
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Old 07-17-2012, 02:24 PM   #8
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Re: 10/20/40 KK multiway facing heat on turn

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Is V2 (Armenian) in the straddle or BB? If he's in the straddle then he has to be acting in between you and V1 on the flop.
****ed up the HH, V2 armenian is in the BB and V1 Indian dude is the straddle

V2 check flop
V1 donk lead, i call, V2 calls

Turn V2 and V1 both check, I bet and V2 raises, V1 folds

River V2 bets 1500
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Old 07-17-2012, 02:29 PM   #9
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Re: 10/20/40 KK multiway facing heat on turn

Your turn and river action dont make sense as you say "V1 folds very quickly" on turn but then say he leads for $1500 on river. So I am not really sure who we are facing on the river here and wouldn't want to comment until that is clear.
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Old 07-17-2012, 03:15 PM   #10
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Your turn and river action dont make sense as you say "V1 folds very quickly" on turn but then say he leads for $1500 on river. So I am not really sure who we are facing on the river here and wouldn't want to comment until that is clear.
look one post above yours. Guy who donked flop checked turn and folded after i bet turn and overcaller on flop raised.
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Old 07-17-2012, 03:22 PM   #11
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look one post above yours. Guy who donked flop checked turn and folded after i bet turn and overcaller on flop raised.
Sry, slow computer. That wasn't there when I went to post.

As played, not sure we can fold given Villain's awkward line but I don't like it much. Really smells like a set more than anything, but you said he takes weird lines a lot, so I think that leads to a wider range that would include lots of Jacks, and pair+draws on the turn. I agree that it is very unlikely he has a 6 in his hand or the made str8 as he would at least have to think for a few seconds. That "insta" 1500 on the river sounds like he had decided to bet that before the river and just followed through.
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Old 07-25-2012, 04:19 PM   #12
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Old 07-25-2012, 04:50 PM   #13
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Re: 10/20/40 KK multiway facing heat on turn

Did he show his hand? Just curious what else he had besides the 7.

Nice call/hand.
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Old 07-25-2012, 05:01 PM   #14
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Did he show his hand? Just curious what else he had besides the 7.

Nice call/hand.
No he said "I assume you win"

I looked at him and said "I called you"

He goes "just a seven" and I decided to just table my hand and take it down.
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Old 07-28-2012, 10:19 PM   #15
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Nice call!

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Old 07-31-2012, 11:18 AM   #16
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Re: 10/20/40 KK multiway facing heat on turn

How often did he leave to go play craps that session?
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