This hand happened Thursday night @ Parx. I haven't played the 10/10 much lately, but figured a holiday week was a good time to step back in. I am a recreational player. This is my 2nd post in this forum. I got some great feedback the last time I posted, so I figured, why not post this hand.

9-handed. Been at table about 2 hours when this beauty takes place.

UTG +1 (5000) - Young guy...Seems like the best player at the table...only person who has 3-bet pre besides me, pretty aggressive...seems solid overall.

CO (2600) - Older guy....extremely tight...haven't seen him raise pre once...barely involved at all.

Button (4300) - Older woman...very splashy pre...raises plenty, but haven't seen her 3-bet pre...haven't seen her spew multi-way.

Hero - BB (3800) - Middle aged guy...Clean image thus far. Built stack up from 2500 starting stack. I've 3-bet pre twice..took one down pre...and one down on river...only had to show one hand so far, it was AK, when I raised pre from the button...got 3-bet by a shortstacked SB, who went to the mat with AQ on a Axxxx board.

On to the hand:

Folded to UTG +1...he goes 40...CO calls, Button calls and I call in the BB with 910

Flop: (170) K78

Hero checks, UTG+1 throws out 100 fairly quickly, CO calls pretty quickly, Button makes it 300....Hero?

I’d make it 1200 and ship all turns

If you have a donk lead range, this would be at the top of mine. As played, with this much action and our stack depth I am feeling a little MUBSy in terms of what I think CO and Button's GII range is (Lots of better flush draws/combo draws/2p+), but we are typically still ~45% heads up and 3 way ~ 34% against a range of the worst hands to be against, so we can't really make a gigantic mistake.

I'd throw balance out of the window and make it an amount that the old guy would possibly fold a flush draw for. 1200/ship is probably best, but I don't hate making it like 2k+ either if it gives us a shred more fold equity.

I’ve been thinking about this a little more and think larger sizing or even shoving might be best.

We have good equity vs 2p/sets and if we get it in vs those hands so be it.

What we don’t want is to run into A7hh or QJhh or something like that. If we go huge on flop I think we may fold those hands out.

If I’m wrong and our equity is worse vs those hands feel free to laugh at me obv

Yeah, getting it in vs made hands is actually fine, it's the better draws that wind up killing us, we can only get it in vs one of the two, (There are certainly scenarios where we could arrange villains having some perfect holdings and we are a favorite, but it's very unlikely obv)

For example, if CO has the bare nut flush draw, we are dangerously approaching his "have to call it off" threshold and should focus on how we get those hands out. Shoving can be transparent in live games where most people default to wanting to call, but I am starting to think that using a smaller sizing accomplishes almost nothing and making it some cute effective AI size (2k-3k) is only increasing the likelihood of somebody continuing with a better draw, so shoving is probably best, even if it's weird.

Are you all just happy to gii here with 40-60% equity?
No one lets this one go?
I mean yes we did flop the world but it just doesn’t look we’re up against AK here...

lol u srs?

BTN raise isn’t even that strong it’s 200 to win 870 for UTG+1

I like this

Call, I'm more worried about xr setting us up for painful stack-off vs 1 caller on turn than a bigger flush draw coming along, plus the action hasn't closed so hero might get another chance to commit

I mean this exact combo probably performs best EV wise as a jam vs the action as played.

with this much interest, i don't necessarily think that all of the outs are always clean. there's 8 combos you dont want to see, 7 of them fairly realistic for a villain to have, and youre not folding most of them out unless you ship the flop.

The downside is that you're also against multiple V's, so getting out of line isnt going to do much of anything but to shave EV. you're not getting 2 pair or a set to fold.

flop is a clear call, and eval the turn. yes, you flopped the world, but bloating the pot oop to all V's seems like lighting money on fire.

We are only in a "bad" spot if we allow a better flush draw to continue. Equities in multiway pots can be really eye opening if you've never explored these spots in pstove.

If both villains have 2p/sets, we uh... really want to have all our money in right now. Also if either villain has 2p and is just yawnsnapping a shove here, I'd rly like to check out your avg 10/10 lineup.

Does anyone else just call the flop here? We are getting a fantastic price to play the hand. Why do we need to raise to try and knock other hands out?

You have six outs to the nuts and another 9 outs to a mid strength flush.

We can fold the turn if the board pairs. Make decision if the we miss turn on whether or not we have odds to continue again.

I mean as long as we don't fold, we are fine. There are a lot of reasons I prefer fast playing this hand and I stated a couple of them. I am not fistpumping or anything, but it's not like we are ever folding this spot and this is pretty much the nut hand to go bananas with given the action.

I hate calling, for me it’s just a question of overshove vs 1100-1500.

If we call it’s just so hard to get paid when we make our hand (and if we do get called we may be drawing dead). Shoving will allow us to realize our equity and possibly fold out the Axhh hands

Also based on the sizing of PFR and the raiser I think we have some real fold equity here too

I still think people are crazy if they think all 2p are just snapping off to a shove, so I agree with the fold equity comment. I mean, I have seen folds as strong as bottom set just because they are meganits this deep and don't want to gamble (extreme example obv, but I think that a lot of live pros tend to underestimate FE in some spots)

I don't really like the 1.1-1.5k line much anymore bc I think that too many hands continue much more often and when out there, better flush draws get pinned in the hand more. Also, being oop on the turn with our spr just allows villains to p much play perfectly.

It seems like a much bigger overplay than it actually is given all parameters imo

Ya just stick the whole stack in there imo makes your life easier just do the same thing w set from time to time if u play against these fools somewhat regularly

With a multiway draw you have profitable equity against nearly every opponent--for instance, against a better flush draw you have a 48% (12 outs twice) chance to improve to a straight or pair. This applies to even Ah7 since you'll beat him or her if you pair up. The only scenario that's bad for you is a combination of opponents that have each of your draws beaten:higher made pair + higher flush draw + straight draw or set with redraw possibilities--in which case you're getting 3:1or more for your stack and if everyone DOES elect to play it's equally likely that you're up against such self-destructive combinations as two over pairs or two flush draws.

Knocking people out or playing against the whole field are both ok. Conclusion: standard stiff raise such as $1200 and fist pump reach for ATM card.

i would be trying not to dance on the table with this sexy ass hand

I'd say it comes down to tolerance for losing the 3800 and reloading. Assuming you are properly rolled for the game I'd say shove it in.

Pretty much this. I don't like calling because there are a ton of cards that can come that suck in terms of realizing our current equity (both for us and against us).