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Old 03-25-2010, 08:13 AM   #701
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Re: HUHU NC/LC Thread for March

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Defend J 6

Checkcall 7 K 5
checkcall Q
checkraise bluff 9 river

Saw a known winning 10/20 reg take this line. Can anyone defend this? Appears to be a clear misplay on every street regardless of opponent read.
Meh, I like this. Jhi is a good candidate to c/r bluff on the river; it has some showdown potential if he checks behind, but not enough to call a bet. The turn call is a MoP concept of calling without enough outs with intention to bluff the river.

Its not something I've ever done, but I still like it.
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Old 03-25-2010, 08:36 AM   #702
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The turn call is a MoP concept of calling without enough outs with intention to bluff the river.
Pretty sure this wouldn't apply to c/r bluffing the river, but only if you're going to donk or you're ip.

Agreed that river isn't bad (as long as you don't do it too often).
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Old 03-25-2010, 10:20 AM   #703
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right as long as we multitable him we are sure to have an advantage
Maybe I'm just projecting how much I suck at trying to play more than two players at once onto others, but I find it hard to believe anyone would be able to play very well playing against 3 or 4 good players.
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Old 03-25-2010, 10:54 AM   #704
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Re: HUHU NC/LC Thread for March

4 players should play him simultaneously and then split the profit
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Old 03-25-2010, 12:47 PM   #705
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I doubt he'd actually try playing 4, prob sit out vs the 3 strongest. Not very fair for Ivey though
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Old 03-25-2010, 02:19 PM   #706
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Re: HUHU NC/LC Thread for March

Anyone reckon the relatively strengthing $ vs £ and Euro is helping to reduce the games much? Yet another factor meaning more people waiting at 3-6 and fewer fish at 10-20+ Well good for my br though, I've made £2k since Nov doing nothing
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Old 03-25-2010, 02:55 PM   #707
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Meh, I like this. Jhi is a good candidate to c/r bluff on the river
even if its a reasonable part of your range to river bluff...

I think paying the 1.5bb to get to the river just to be able to spend the 2bb it costs to bluff is far too pricey.

the J hi has crying showdown value if he checks behind against 90% of villains.

I doubt any winning player routinely makes this play. Its just wrong lol.. it costs too much and you aren't getting a fold often enough unless villain is folding a ton of 3rd, 2nd, and top pair hands.

Phil definitely blew me out of the water on this one, I dont even understand how this Gucci-priced OOP trash river bluff is even getting so much concern. maybe thats why im still in the mail room and phils playing 1-2 +, but I dont see the logic.

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Old 03-25-2010, 03:08 PM   #708
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whats MoP?
Mathematics of Poker
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Old 03-25-2010, 03:13 PM   #709
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Re: HUHU NC/LC Thread for March

so i play 8 hands with a guy. after 8 hands he stops to play because his mouse is broken. i already view him as decent and ptr him. i tell him in chat i'm not playing him any more. but i won 15BB's of him in the 8 hands.

i change table and after a while he joins it and i sit out immediately. following chat:

villain: loooooool
villain: i hope u and ur whole family dies
villain: u scumbag

is this really necessary? at 2/4 15BB's is 60$ only and since it's 8 hands, it's just variance. geez...
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Old 03-25-2010, 03:30 PM   #710
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even if its a reasonable part of your range to river bluff...

I think paying the 1.5bb to get to the river just to be able to spend the 2bb it costs to bluff is far too pricey.
Especially considering some % of the time he will check back a better hand on the river so we won't get a chance to pull off our awesome delayed-riv checkraise bluff
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Old 03-25-2010, 03:40 PM   #711
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Re: HUHU NC/LC Thread for March

these within one min of each other so tilting

Hand #1
Poker Stars $10.00/$20.00 Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN/SB with J 6
Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls

Flop: (6 SB) 2 5 6 (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls

Turn: (5 BB) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls

River: (9 BB) A (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls

Final Pot: 11 BB
Hero mucks J 6
BB shows A Q
BB wins 10.975 BB
(Rake: $0.50)

Hand #2
Poker Stars $10.00/$20.00 Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with 4 6
BTN/SB raises, Hero calls

Flop: (4 SB) T 3 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets, Hero raises, BTN/SB calls

Turn: (4 BB) K (2 players)
Hero bets, BTN/SB raises, Hero calls

River: (8 BB) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB checks

Final Pot: 8 BB
Hero shows 4 6
BTN/SB shows 8 J
BTN/SB wins 7.975 BB
(Rake: $0.50)
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Old 03-25-2010, 03:41 PM   #712
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Re: HUHU NC/LC Thread for March

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Especially considering some % of the time he will check back a better hand on the river so we won't get a chance to pull off our awesome delayed-riv checkraise bluff
ya i hear that id love to see a winning reg post a hand similar to this with a 3.5 BB river bluff basically not considering board texture and claim its goot
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Old 03-25-2010, 03:42 PM   #713
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Phil definitely blew me out of the water on this one, I dont even understand how this Gucci-priced OOP trash river bluff is even getting so much concern. maybe thats why im still in the mail room and phils playing 1-2 +, but I dont see the logic.
I was told recently that continue with Q7 on A53 flop is a mistake, never mind c/ring, (that's what I did).

I think, it's safe to say that Mr. HoosTBF, who played the hand the same way as I did, is as far from the mail room as it gets.
None the less, the verdict was he made a mistake too.

I guess, J6 on a K75 flop must be way better than Q7 on A53.
And i'm sure there are all kinds of reasons for that.
There are plenty of ways to construct a smart looking explanation.
All it takes is the right man for a job
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Old 03-25-2010, 03:54 PM   #714
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I was told recently that continue with Q7 on A53 flop is a mistake, never mind c/ring, (that's what I did).

I think, it's safe to say that Mr. HoosTBF, who played the hand the same way as I did, is as far from the mail room as it gets.
None the less, the verdict was he made a mistake too.

I guess, J6 on a K75 flop must be way better than Q7 on A53.
And i'm sure there are all kinds of reasons for that.
There are plenty of ways to construct a smart looking explanation.
All it takes is the right man for a job
Absolutely incorrect

you were told that c/ring q7 on the a35 board was theoretically foolish because it folds out what you beat and gets called by what beats you

c/c q7 on an axx is completey standard in every way unless its monotone and no one will argue with that

why the hell does everything need to be so personal
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Old 03-25-2010, 04:10 PM   #715
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Re: HUHU NC/LC Thread for March

Nooo not back to that hand lol.
Quick look at this one before you get carried away. I'll stand up and admit to the poor river play, rushed it to fold out the sort of thing he had, read him well in what he held but badly in how he plays it.
Also, how are you getting all this 10-20+ madness to post, I've been sitting at 11 tables for 10hrs, 1 No. 20min 10-20 session at ipoker, 2 No. 5-10 sessions at stars (same guy) and 1000 3-6

Poker Stars $5/$10 Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Pre Flop: (1.4 SB) Hero is BB with 8 9
BTN/SB calls, Hero raises, BTN/SB calls

Flop: (4 SB) T A A (2 players)
Hero bets, BTN/SB raises, Hero 3-bets, BTN/SB caps!, Hero calls

Turn: (6 BB) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets, Hero raises, BTN/SB calls

River: (10 BB) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets, BTN/SB calls

Final Pot: 12 BB
BTN/SB mucks J Q
Hero shows 8 9 (two pair, Aces and Eights)
Hero wins 11.95 BB
(Rake: $0.50)
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Old 03-25-2010, 04:20 PM   #716
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Absolutely incorrect

you were told that c/ring q7 on the a35 board was theoretically foolish because it folds out what you beat and gets called by what beats you

c/c q7 on an axx is completey standard in every way unless its monotone and no one will argue with that

why the hell does everything need to be so personal
I'm not getting personal at all. Where did you get it?
It's just confusing.

As far as me being absolutely incorrect...

Well, I asked if 2OC to a 2nd pair with Q is not enough what is?

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2oc to 2nd pair with some backdoor. K high for more SDV would be nice.
And then

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You just want to win this pot. But you can't win every pot. Sometimes you need to find hands to c/f.
So how am i being absolutely incorect?
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Old 03-25-2010, 04:39 PM   #717
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Re: HUHU NC/LC Thread for March

copoka ur gonna make me hit the stove


ok q7 has ~38% equity on this board against someone who raises 85% and cbets 100% on this flop...

seeing as your getting 5 to 1...

folding here is insane, absolutely insane. so is checkraising for the aforementioned reasons. Check call, hit a pair, get a turn free card, or get to showdown depending on opponenents bluffing frequency and board texture. seems + ev to me. if u start giving up this spot you are going to be giving up ALOT of hands and going to showdown WAY WAY less...

where did u find that quote for c/f? i followd that convo and cant remember anyone saying that it seems terribly weak tight
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Old 03-25-2010, 05:09 PM   #718
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Re: HUHU NC/LC Thread for March

oh good god copoka.
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Old 03-25-2010, 05:18 PM   #719
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copoka ur gonna make me hit the stove


ok q7 has ~38% equity on this board against someone who raises 85% and cbets 100% on this flop...

seeing as your getting 5 to 1...

folding here is insane, absolutely insane. so is checkraising for the aforementioned reasons. Check call, hit a pair, get a turn free card, or get to showdown depending on opponenents bluffing frequency and board texture. seems + ev to me. if u start giving up this spot you are going to be giving up ALOT of hands and going to showdown WAY WAY less...

where did u find that quote for c/f? i followd that convo and cant remember anyone saying that it seems terribly weak tight
I really don't want to make you to do anything, especially hitting stove or go back to analysis of that hand.

All i ask you not accuse me being personal when i no names are mentioned.

As far as quotes... Try #145 and #162.
I believe there are more.
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Old 03-25-2010, 05:19 PM   #720
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scenario:

waiting for a game on 3/6 on Stars.

One other player who seems to never play anyone gets action and sits out on the dude who wants to play.

The nit/game selector reg who sits out types, "don't you ever learn?"

The player being sat out on says, "let's play."

I observer chat, "he never plays anyone but I'll play you."

He says, "no way, you're a ringer."

I say, "I'm losing player."

I had PTR'd this guy and was willing to give him action which is funny because PTR is so far off on my #hands/win rate, I don't know why I'd be willing to give anyone action based on that site's reporting. Kind of awesome but whatever.

Anyway, I'm guessing he PTR'd me and I was fortunate to get to play a fair amount of hands with him

I'm pretty sure my observer chat was fine, yes?
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Old 03-25-2010, 05:30 PM   #721
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Re: HUHU NC/LC Thread for March

Just got rakeback for Full Tilt finally. Put 500 on there...gonna see if I can run up a respectable roll.

I know you will all welcome a new reg with open arms....
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Old 03-25-2010, 05:39 PM   #722
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FT seems to be the deadest of all the sites this week, 20+ waiters at each limit
have fun!
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Old 03-25-2010, 05:41 PM   #723
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had a long diatribe written but all that matters is

WHYYYY

Poker Stars $15.00/$30.00 Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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Pre Flop: (1.667 SB) Hero is BTN/SB with 3 8
Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls

Flop: (6 SB) 8 4 3 (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps!, BB calls

Turn: (7 BB) A (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls

River: (13 BB) Q (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls

Spoiler:

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Old 03-25-2010, 05:42 PM   #724
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FT seems to be the deadest of all the sites this week, 20+ waiters at each limit
have fun!
ya ft is the absolute worst you have to scroll like 1 min just to get to the next limit
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Old 03-25-2010, 05:53 PM   #725
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Re: HUHU NC/LC Thread for March

Is there anywhere that a Canadian can play in Euros that has some HUHU action up to maybe 5/10?

I looked at Betfair, but I cannot see how to play in Pounds or Euros, just USD. Am I missing something?

PM me if you prefer not to post publicly.
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