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Old 03-24-2010, 01:37 PM   #651
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Re: HUHU NC/LC Thread for March

It could be

A. There is a deeply hidden higher wisdom, that is based on strategic/tactical/methagame/opponent-dependent considerations.
Full understanding of it is not available for most.

B. He became a known winning 10/20 reg by gambooling/rolling dice/taking up unpaid for risks and getting way more than his share of luck.

C...?
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Old 03-24-2010, 01:48 PM   #652
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Re: HUHU NC/LC Thread for March

i know you are being sarcastic here, obv he didnt get "known" for rolling dice, he's just a long term winner in the games, and i wondered if anyone can understand either play under certain game conditions
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Old 03-24-2010, 01:54 PM   #653
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methagame
I think this is it. If he's proven himself in the past then this isn't his normal game - drunk/lazy tilt or some other more exotic drug-induced play.
Wasn't me was it?
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Old 03-24-2010, 02:00 PM   #654
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So if becoming a "long term" winner by being luckier than normal is impossible, than its an "A".

Justification, or dismantling, of anything in LHE is not a problem either.
Smartly looking sentence from someone you feel confident in does the job pretty much every time.

Obvious fact that it would be extremely subjective on every level does not really matter much.
If past performance is respected anything can fly.

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Old 03-24-2010, 02:11 PM   #655
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Re: HUHU NC/LC Thread for March

man why do you have to turn everything in to a conversation about your theory of running good/bad

i'm just wondering if anyone likes the way the hands were played or understands why a solid play might take a such a line
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Old 03-24-2010, 03:19 PM   #656
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Re: HUHU NC/LC Thread for March

lol this line is obviously terrible, you have miserable equity even he is guaranteed to check it down 100%. floating OOP to river bluff is also pretty bad imo.

lol @ metagame considerations, as a solid HUHU player u are c/c the flop so much that doing it in these spots to further frustrate them is just unnecessary

good players do stupid **** too i wouldn't read that much into it

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Old 03-24-2010, 03:20 PM   #657
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2nd hand?
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Old 03-24-2010, 03:25 PM   #658
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Re: HUHU NC/LC Thread for March

this guy seems to just be on tilt

no equity and getting miserable odds on the bluffraise considering against most villains kx isn't ever folding and neither is a 3. villain would have to be insanely tight to pull of these river bluffraises succesfully.

I never saw the match but vs 95% of the field this is unbelievable spew. I'd try not to emulate this guy.
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Old 03-24-2010, 03:32 PM   #659
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I think the turn call is way worse than the river raise
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Old 03-24-2010, 03:56 PM   #660
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Re: HUHU NC/LC Thread for March

they are both terrible in a vacuum, turn call is terrible regardless of reads, and river raise works on occasion against certain players as a balance play in extremely (300+ hands) long sessions.

turn call is just loltastic tho i agree

ill have to go ahead and assume u were sweating me hood and I was on FBT
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Old 03-24-2010, 04:05 PM   #661
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man why do you have to turn everything in to a conversation about your theory of running good/bad
My theory is not about running good/bad.
My theory is about validity of "long term" poker results.
My theory is about treating "long term" poker result the same way casino treats revenue stream from roulette tables - solid, indisputable, mathematical fact that makes future very predictable.

The reason why people want to treat it this way is understandable.
It's a beautiful dream to be dreaming.
2.5BB/100 at 10/20 even with 10k hands a month translates into income adjusted for lifestyle that is unheard of for absolute majority of college grads.
And how about 20/40? WOW.
Beautiful dream indeed.

And, understandably, this dream is being defended with stubbornness that deserves a better use.
If dream is taken away future becomes very uncertain and scary to compere.
So to avoid unpleasant thoughts heads get stuck in a send of unreasonable expectations. And any unpleasant arguments, although can't be dis-proven, are being ridiculed.

Scores of mind-boggling outliers are popping out everywhere? So what.
A few current winners are being declared as a prove and 2.5BB/100 "WR" over couple of hundreds k hands with very mysterious composition is being declared as certain predictor of future results as iron clad, completely transparent 5.26% edge in every bet.

Very naive, but nothing new.
Cemeteries of every speculative field in history are filled with bones of incompetent idiots and competent "dreamers" alike.
Negligible amount of winners who where able to "sustain unsustainable" keep the dream alive.
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Old 03-24-2010, 04:26 PM   #662
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My theory is not about running good/bad.
My theory is about validity of "long term" poker results.
My theory is about treating "long term" poker result the same way casino treats revenue stream from roulette tables - solid, indisputable, mathematical fact that makes future very predictable.

The reason why people want to treat it this way is understandable.
It's a beautiful dream to be dreaming.
2.5BB/100 at 10/20 even with 10k hands a month translates into income adjusted for lifestyle that is unheard of for absolute majority of college grads.
And how about 20/40? WOW.
Beautiful dream indeed.

And, understandably, this dream is being defended with stubbornness that deserves a better use.
If dream is taken away future becomes very uncertain and scary to compere.
So to avoid unpleasant thoughts heads get stuck in a send of unreasonable expectations. And any unpleasant arguments, although can't be dis-proven, are being ridiculed.

Scores of mind-boggling outliers are popping out everywhere? So what.
A few current winners are being declared as a prove and 2.5BB/100 "WR" over couple of hundreds k hands with very mysterious composition is being declared as certain predictor of future results as iron clad, completely transparent 5.26% edge in every bet.

Very naive, but nothing new.
Cemeteries of every speculative field in history are filled with bones of incompetent idiots and competent "dreamers" alike.
Negligible amount of winners who where able to "sustain unsustainable" keep the dream alive.
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Old 03-24-2010, 04:28 PM   #663
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they are both terrible in a vacuum, turn call is terrible regardless of reads, and river raise works on occasion against certain players as a balance play in extremely (300+ hands) long sessions.

turn call is just loltastic tho i agree

ill have to go ahead and assume u were sweating me hood and I was on FBT
haha no it wasn't you, no one i know on the forum
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Old 03-24-2010, 04:37 PM   #664
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And any unpleasant arguments, although can't be dis-proven, are being ridiculed.
I would not be able to find better illustration for that line if I wanted to.
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Old 03-24-2010, 04:48 PM   #665
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I would not be able to find better illustration for that line if I wanted to.
have you ever considered you arent as good as you think you are? maybe other people win more because they play better? it has to be a possibility, right?
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Old 03-24-2010, 04:55 PM   #666
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have you ever considered you arent as good as you think you are? maybe other people win more because they play better? it has to be a possibility, right?
Who is comparing?
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Old 03-24-2010, 04:57 PM   #667
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what?
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Old 03-24-2010, 05:01 PM   #668
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Who is comparing personal results?
I dont.
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Old 03-24-2010, 05:05 PM   #669
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Dont get him started BB
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Old 03-24-2010, 05:06 PM   #670
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i find that hard to believe. you jump on every opportunity to come in here and tell everyone that they are running good and to be prepared for the inevitable massive downswing that will put them at 1-2bb/100 where they "should" be. i feel that you think you are a great hulhe player and that it isnt possible for people to win more than you unless they are running hot. thats just the vibe i get...
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Old 03-24-2010, 05:20 PM   #671
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I would not be able to find better illustration for that line if I wanted to.
I wasn't ridiculing your arguments....
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Old 03-24-2010, 05:25 PM   #672
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i find that hard to believe. you jump on every opportunity to come in here and tell everyone that they are running good and to be prepared for the inevitable massive downswing that will put them at 1-2bb/100 where they "should" be. i feel that you think you are a great hulhe player and that it isnt possible for people to win more than you unless they are running hot. thats just the vibe i get...
That would be a wrong vibe

A little more experience in dealing with possible outcomes produced by uncertainty and unpredictability will get you much closer to getting a right vibe.

I use a lot of opportunities to point out absurdity of using mutually exclusive
outcomes and being so cool about it.
That is correct.
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Old 03-24-2010, 05:52 PM   #673
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what?
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Old 03-24-2010, 05:54 PM   #674
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what?
There you go.

What what?
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Old 03-24-2010, 06:18 PM   #675
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Re: HUHU NC/LC Thread for March

This guy likes to fold to 3rd barrels. Still surprising he folded on this board texture...

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