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Old 02-22-2015, 02:37 PM   #276
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Re: Won't Stop, Can't Stop! "The Life of a VEGAS Grinder"

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I don't think there's reasons to think that he's not legit, I'm sure his posts actually happened. At the very least he gets points for enthusiasm.

But at this point he's just cherry-picking replies that go along with his approach. He basically doesn't take any of the solid advice in the thread or anything contrary to what he's doing. Again, I've been calling for the busto post since page 2 - I think we can all agree that it's inevitable at this point.
Why you always hatin on people..... I think youve gone life busto you gripy biaaaaatch
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Old 02-22-2015, 02:41 PM   #277
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Why you always hatin on people..... I think youve gone life busto you gripy biaaaaatch
LOL! I suppose that using math & logic can be surmised as "hatin on people".

Let's review here - the kid started with an $800 "bankroll". I don't exactly consider myself Nostradamus for calling the busto . . .
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Old 02-22-2015, 04:48 PM   #278
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Re: Won't Stop, Can't Stop! "The Life of a VEGAS Grinder"

I think this thread is pretty interesting; keep it up, OP. You seem more like a feel player, which is kind of contrary to the generally more math-oriented 2p2 approach, so it's not surprising you're getting a lot of negative feedback. It's cool to hear from someone coming from a different perspective than most on here.

It sounds like you've mostly been playing in the RR games; I think you're doing yourself a disservice to not check out some different games while you have the chance. Maybe you'll find you're better suited to the Planet Hollywood 1/2 game or the Aria 1/3 PLO or who knows??
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Old 02-22-2015, 06:30 PM   #279
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Re: Won't Stop, Can't Stop! "The Life of a VEGAS Grinder"

you mad bro?

Since its obvious you have a hard time figuring things out i will try and break it down for you.

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OP - how much studying have you done? Read any books, spent time in pokerstove, running equity calcs, watching training vids? From your hand analysis and posting you seem to be lacking some pretty basic fundamentals.

It is going to be very hard to get better just splashing around some short stacked 1/2 live sessions if you have no direction.
I ask a serious question to get a feel for how much work you are putting into this game outside of playing short stacked live slow stakes nl

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I have read 2 poker books(WINNERS GUIDE TO TEXAS HOLD'EM POKER, MICHEAL LUIS; LIARS POKER, and countless hours online for months on end.)
I started with LIVE and know the fundamentals in it, Don't get me wrong i do get a little carried away sometimes but usually i use these "shot" hands to exploit weak players at the table.. (I play a pretty good semi tight aggressive play and usually this gets me paid in spots usually someone wouldnt call.)

Ive analyze plenty of "pros" hands and could critique them, but given that hand and how there opponent played it in a LIVE scenario is what effects there decision making. (As do mine in my hand reviews)

You get any online Joe on this site and throw him on a real table 10 ringed he'll choke. LIVE and ONLINE are two different games.

Also, There is usually only 1-2 hands i post per session out of the 400-600 i play that night. Of course im not going to nail every fundamental, but i will play the way my table is and try to use that to an advantage.

I appreciate your posts while i continue to learn the game.

-Riverrat92
You respond with a with a post that makes you sound stupid as you make false claims.

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man, they **** you say really makes think this is either a level, or that people should feel bad for you the way you feel bad for someone born with a mental disability
I try to explain how your idiotic posts make me feel.

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The big hurt shut the **** up lmao

Go get a dildo stick it in your ass and suck on it for an hour.


As for the other posts, i could care less if you think im going to bust or not succeed.

I put my story out for viewers interested on what a Las Vegas dream feels like. If you don't like my story then DON'T READ IT. Plain and simple.

Im done with your idiotic posts that contradict every other post everyone says. Everyone has there view on poker, that's why there's multiple books on play style, you don't like my play style then STOP READING.

Enough is enough, you comment on my page with anything negative ill report your post and have it taken off immediately. You want to give me advice on poker, tell me. Anything else keep it out your damn mouth.

Other then that, im hitting up the rooms.

(To everyone with positive comments, and the awesome messages that want me to continue THANK YOU. Your the only reason i keep this going!)


-Riverrat
You get upset and lash out.

Please do report my posts, see where that goes.

Don't do any studying, continue to play poorly while you tell people you are a poker grinder and brag about your prowess, go broke and blame it on bad luck.

Poker is not some esoteric thing, learning the concepts that allow you to beat llsnl is not hard, but you continue to show that you are not doing any of this.

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^ i do not take your post at all negative, but if you look at the big hurts comment before mine.. I think you should understand why i responded the way i did.
I expect people to post constructive criticism but that is not, that is hurtful and arrogant. I post one thing and im the bad guy but people can flame my blog all day without a single bad response towards them. I would hope you see where im coming from.

But back to why i started this thread.

IM BACK IN BLACK.. Well Actually RED*

To end my winning night, i flopped a 9 high straight flush.

The Red Rock has no high hands, but do have a straight flush board from 5 to king high and payout is 1k+ to 5K depending what order the straight flushes get hit. Unfortunately King high straight flush was the only way paying out at $5,000, But wow what a hand and a great way to end the night.

Cashed out at +104 playing my A game enjoyed being back at the tables finally! Felt great and have decided when feeling burnout, to just take a week off and a breather.

I just got back taxes and got paid today (2 weeker) so im figuring out how much im going to add to my bankroll. (900).



Also a hand that was a significant pot..

33 in small blind.

2 limpers and a raise from button to 15.
I flat and 2 fold.

Flop comes 32K ...

I check, she checks.. (Girl knew what she was doing and put her on AK 100%, no other reason she would check in that spot).

Turn comes ...
2

I bet out 20 to see if she was holding "big slick".
BAM! she beats me to the pot. **** yes.

River comes ... 2
I sign instantly making her think shes "GOLD".
bet out 15 to induce a reraise, BAM! she makes it 80.
I sit uncomfortably thinking, then say "well im not folding.. im all in"
She sits almost think shes beat, but calls it off like a slot machine.

She turns AK

Good night, and i hope people are more understanding of where im coming from considering i made this blog to show people my journey through being a Las Vegas resident grinding the biggest casinos in the country.

-Riverrat
your hand analysis is so painful to read, you leave out important information and have no clue whats going on, but i will try and be constructive despite your rudeness.

Defending the sb from an 8.5bb button raise with 33 is not a profitable play, especially when you are short stacked (although we don't know your stack size here as you left that out even though its important information when reviewing a hand). Do you see why that is?

Your direct odds are too low, you will not flop a set enough of the time. You are also oop which will make it harder to get your whole stack in Most of the time you will not flop anything and x/f your money away.

Now in this hand, you run into the absolute best scenario you could hope for, you make a bad call, flop gin AND happen to have an opponent that has enough of a hand to pay you off.

Despite you poor play, you post this as an example of how well you play, when it is in fact the complete oppositse, which further reinforces my comments from before.
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Old 02-22-2015, 06:45 PM   #280
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Re: Won't Stop, Can't Stop! "The Life of a VEGAS Grinder"

It's pretty hilarious that OP is so bad at poker that people don't think the thread is even real.
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Old 02-22-2015, 06:59 PM   #281
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Re: Won't Stop, Can't Stop! "The Life of a VEGAS Grinder"

Bug hurt 35 laying it out and splaining tha pokerz
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Old 02-22-2015, 07:18 PM   #282
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Re: Won't Stop, Can't Stop! "The Life of a VEGAS Grinder"

I'm an online player who is successful at live because the year before I focused on learning how to both walk and chew gum. Helped a lot.

I just want to learn how to play 600 live hands a night so consider me subscribed to this thread.
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Old 02-22-2015, 07:24 PM   #283
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~30 hands an hours\400-600 hands a night...

You're playing 13-20 hours of poker a night?!?!?!?
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Old 02-22-2015, 08:56 PM   #284
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Re: Won't Stop, Can't Stop! "The Life of a VEGAS Grinder"

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You seem more like a feel player, which is kind of contrary to the generally more math-oriented 2p2 approach,
Or do you mean he's a more fly by the seat of his pants kinda player making decisions without any sort of structured analytical approach.

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It sounds like you've mostly been playing in the RR games; I think you're doing yourself a disservice to not check out some different games while you have the chance. Maybe you'll find you're better suited to the Planet Hollywood 1/2 game or the Aria 1/3 PLO or who knows??
All indications are that the RR games are easy. OP is not anywhere close to properly bankrolled for 1/3 PLO.
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Old 02-22-2015, 08:58 PM   #285
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Re: Won't Stop, Can't Stop! "The Life of a VEGAS Grinder"

Don't let the haters get you down though OP. They just hate you cause they ain't you.
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Old 02-22-2015, 09:06 PM   #286
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Don't let the haters get you down though OP. They just hate you cause they ain't you.
Have I done my "they hate us cause they ain't us" James Franco meme in this thread yet? Don't wanna retread
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Old 02-22-2015, 09:50 PM   #287
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Yea I don't listen anymore to the haters there wasting there time, I will continue to play poker in the winning matter I've done so. It's funny that people think this is fake, everything on my thread is 100% real.
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Old 02-22-2015, 10:45 PM   #288
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Kid-you need to understand something-

the advice your getting is not hating, and the posters are actually trying to help you-their advice is going to save you significant money and pain.

Some here have done what you are trying.... and made more than you can imagine......so try to turn off your ego and listen.

You came to a poker site to chronicle you journey-and if you really want to make the jump from home town hero to a real "Grinder" it is very obvious to everyone on here that you need to grow. Your thought process is elementary at best, and there are many talented players here that can help you grow if you are interested. The next time someone offers you advice, instead of a complicated explanation of why you are right (the classic: Yeah, but.......) step back and try to think about why they have offered you this advice. You are getting the benefit of players that are much more experienced, and subtle in their thinking, and your only cost is dealing with the embarrassment of being corrected in an online forum...really a pretty low cost for the value you are gaining, don't you think?

Good luck young man-I hope the game gives you what you want.
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Old 02-23-2015, 01:47 AM   #289
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Seems like more people atectrying to bash him instead of help... Nobody plays everyhand perfect... Different ways to play each hand.... You guys act like yall are know it alls let OP play however he likes he's the one putting the mo ey on the table.... If he plays so bad go sit at his table at RR and exploit him for his money til then let the guy enjoy himself... Have fun in vegas rat dont let these wanna be phil helmuths ruin your experience posting in this forum
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Old 02-23-2015, 07:04 AM   #290
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Ok RR session tonight with my cousin, lets just say 10 outs is a *****.

Im in small blind with 35

$6 raise from UTG and 4 callers, i call off the 6 dollar raise as does the BB.

Flop comes ...
246

I check.
2 checks until MP raises $15, late position and button calls.
Now what should i do.. tank for a couple seconds and decide to pop it to $55.
(thinking that was enough to keep a weaker hand around, suggestions?)

MP snaps, late position and button fold.

Turn comes ...
7

Theirs now about 195 in the pot, tanked to think about the best way to get max value. I pull out 75 to bet and then look at the pot size, and think enough's enough, IM ALL IN.

Guy tanks for a second.. Well kid if you got it the board better pair. I CALL.

River comes ...
7

What a ****ing joke..

Well boys, you win some you lose some.

-200
(Decided to put 1,000 in the bank roll, to cap it at an even $2,000.)

BANKROLL: $1800


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Old 02-23-2015, 08:06 AM   #291
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Fold preflop to many players too easy to get in trouble with middle pair and even if you flop a straight or flush to easily counterfieted and if you flop a boat good luck getting paid off and if you flop two pair over an over pair you're in good but not awesome shape you're going to muck most of these and it adds up

That said, what do you think these guys had in my experience you've got a set, some kind of straight draw, and someone probably has an overpair you raising says you have a minimum of a set so the the only hands calling have a good draw and you need to shut them out so after rethinking this you probably should've pushed on the flop
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Old 02-23-2015, 12:30 PM   #292
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you raising says you have a minimum of a set so the the only hands calling have a good draw and you need to shut them out so after rethinking this you probably should've pushed on the flop
Thinking you maybe mis-read where OP check-raised to $55? If you're only facing $15 with the nuts, why would you ever shove over a $15 bet if you have more than $50? I think the raise is fine, because multi-way, someone is bound to have hit the flop, so you want someone with a set in there. He played it great to get the money in on the turn a 77% favorite and it didn't work out. If he's in that spot again, should he not take the exact same line?

As bad as I ran the last couple weeks in those kind of 70%+ favorite spots when the money has went in and I lost like 4 or 5 in a row, it still wouldn't deter me from the next time doing the exact same thing, instead of trying to push the hands away. How else are you making money?
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Old 02-23-2015, 01:14 PM   #293
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Thinking you maybe mis-read where OP check-raised to $55? If you're only facing $15 with the nuts, why would you ever shove over a $15 bet if you have more than $50? I think the raise is fine, because multi-way, someone is bound to have hit the flop, so you want someone with a set in there. He played it great to get the money in on the turn a 77% favorite and it didn't work out. If he's in that spot again, should he not take the exact same line?

As bad as I ran the last couple weeks in those kind of 70%+ favorite spots when the money has went in and I lost like 4 or 5 in a row, it still wouldn't deter me from the next time doing the exact same thing, instead of trying to push the hands away. How else are you making money?
That was my initial thinking. But after rethinkng and realizing he's in a four way pot where he is likely up against at least one draw if not two, ie higher straight or fullhouse making a 1/2 pot bet against 3 other oppenents is too light and it needs to price them out.
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Old 02-23-2015, 01:43 PM   #294
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That was my initial thinking. But after rethinkng and realizing he's in a four way pot where he is likely up against at least one draw if not two, ie higher straight or fullhouse making a 1/2 pot bet against 3 other oppenents is too light and it needs to price them out.
This is results-oriented thinking. Shoving and getting everyone to fold when we have the nuts is a lot worse.

The only thing I would change is folding pre. If I'm playing short, I'm not calling UTG raises with 5-high. As played, we have the nuts, and OP fired out a good sized raised, villain chased, and he got there.
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Old 02-23-2015, 01:55 PM   #295
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All indications are that the RR games are easy. OP is not anywhere close to properly bankrolled for 1/3 PLO.
Trying to find the softest 1/2 or 1/3 game around is not what I was referring to, as they're all "easy." Some games will tend to be tighter, rooms have different atmospheres/amenities/etc; all these things will figure into which room is best for you personally, and the only way to find that out is trial and error.

As far as bankroll management goes, OP is not "properly bankrolled" for any games, but he does have a job so busting his roll isn't the end of the world. If he has a similar wr in NL and PLO and is playing both underrolled, the higher variance game (PLO) will give him a better chance of experiencing positive variance and running up a big score, and really isn't that kind of gambool what threads like this should be about? As opposed to all this boring mumbo-jumbo about hand analysis/equity/etc.
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Old 02-23-2015, 02:00 PM   #296
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This is results-oriented thinking. Shoving and getting everyone to fold when we have the nuts is a lot worse.

The only thing I would change is folding pre. If I'm playing short, I'm not calling UTG raises with 5-high. As played, we have the nuts, and OP fired out a good sized raised, villain chased, and he got there.
I'd think he'd need to make a pot sized bet here. I've seen these multi way draws before not sure getting a fold is all that bad.

But really op got lucky with on this hand but this is a deepstack hand not small stack and even then you're not getting paid off enough to make the play so you just dribble your chips down to nothing doing this
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Old 02-23-2015, 03:17 PM   #297
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I don't understand why u keep playing at Redrocks and not the strip. The 1/2 games on the strip r full of fish. Some have never played before saying I have seen this on TV it looks easy.
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Old 02-23-2015, 05:22 PM   #298
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I don't understand why u keep playing at Redrocks and not the strip. The 1/2 games on the strip r full of fish. Some have never played before saying I have seen this on TV it looks easy.
If you think the RR 1/2 game isn't full of fish, you've never played at RR. They're just a different breed of fish. Games can get pretty epic late night.
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Old 02-23-2015, 10:30 PM   #299
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Re: Won't Stop, Can't Stop! "The Life of a VEGAS Grinder"

How deep are you to start the hand - what's the effective stack size?

If <100bb I'd be folding pre. Post seems fine as played if we're taking a flop
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Old 02-24-2015, 03:24 AM   #300
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Yo RivRat thanks for posting your TR, and good luck with everything. I gotta say though that if your percentage of people with white hair, added to the percentage of people drinking black coffee = anywhere close to 100% (aka Red Rock), it isn't an optimal place to grind poker. Put it this way, I live 1 mile from RR and happily take the trip to the strip EVERY time I play. Can you make money at the Rock, sure ...

But why try to peel some old timer's c-note that he's been farting into for the last four years while he is hunting for comps and drinking coffee when you can take it from a guy paying $300 a night for a suite and pounding tequila?
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