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Old 02-20-2015, 05:32 PM   #251
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Re: Won't Stop, Can't Stop! "The Life of a VEGAS Grinder"

My poker "coach" at the time in Florida was the one that told me to read liars poker, not for the fundamentals of poker but for the good read in general.

Technically its not about poker, but is closely related to swings and high money gambling of poker. (Must read IMO) Also, the books name is actually based off of a "poker" game.

WINNERS GUIDE OF TEXAS HOLDEM: was by far the most informational book Ive read on "POKER" alone. Although, Very basic and believe some of the book is too tight in some scenarios. Also some hands mentioned i feel are wrong(i think he ends up saying Q9s is better then K8s which is arguable.) The most IMPORTANT part of that book though is the hand analysis of percentages in certain spots. That alone is worth the purchase.
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Old 02-20-2015, 07:45 PM   #252
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...WINNERS GUIDE OF TEXAS HOLDEM: was by far the most informational book Ive read on "POKER" alone...
Well, since it was the only book you've read on "POKER" alone...
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Old 02-20-2015, 08:21 PM   #253
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I have read 2 poker books(WINNERS GUIDE TO TEXAS HOLD'EM POKER, MICHEAL LUIS; LIARS POKER, and countless hours online for months on end.)
I started with LIVE and know the fundamentals in it, Don't get me wrong i do get a little carried away sometimes but usually i use these "shot" hands to exploit weak players at the table.. (I play a pretty good semi tight aggressive play and usually this gets me paid in spots usually someone wouldnt call.)

Ive analyze plenty of "pros" hands and could critique them, but given that hand and how there opponent played it in a LIVE scenario is what effects there decision making. (As do mine in my hand reviews)

You get any online Joe on this site and throw him on a real table 10 ringed he'll choke. LIVE and ONLINE are two different games.

Also, There is usually only 1-2 hands i post per session out of the 400-600 i play that night. Of course im not going to nail every fundamental, but i will play the way my table is and try to use that to an advantage.

I appreciate your posts while i continue to learn the game.

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My poker "coach" at the time in Florida was the one that told me to read liars poker, not for the fundamentals of poker but for the good read in general.

Technically its not about poker, but is closely related to swings and high money gambling of poker. (Must read IMO) Also, the books name is actually based off of a "poker" game.

WINNERS GUIDE OF TEXAS HOLDEM: was by far the most informational book Ive read on "POKER" alone. Although, Very basic and believe some of the book is too tight in some scenarios. Also some hands mentioned i feel are wrong(i think he ends up saying Q9s is better then K8s which is arguable.) The most IMPORTANT part of that book though is the hand analysis of percentages in certain spots. That alone is worth the purchase.
man, they **** you say really makes think this is either a level, or that people should feel bad for you the way you feel bad for someone born with a mental disability
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Old 02-20-2015, 09:03 PM   #254
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lol...this kid is hilarious. In before the inevitable busto post.
Let the record show that I've been calling for the busto post since like page 2 of this thread.

If you want to build your roll by adding to it out of pocket, that's fine, but make sure that you're not throwing good money after bad. You're being given good advice here about reading more books, upping skills, etc, etc. The old adage is true: it's not a "bankroll" if you're not a winning player.

I'll also repeat the advice I've given you - playing in jackpot-drop rooms does not help the bankroll. Why you are not down at the Venetian in 1/2 (lower stakes, no jackpot-drop) and earning $2/hour is a mystery to me.
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Old 02-20-2015, 10:50 PM   #255
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Re: Won't Stop, Can't Stop! "The Life of a VEGAS Grinder"

Q9s is way more playable than K8s and I'm not sure why you would even question that.
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Old 02-21-2015, 04:34 AM   #256
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man, they **** you say really makes think this is either a level, or that people should feel bad for you the way you feel bad for someone born with a mental disability
The big hurt shut the **** up lmao

Go get a dildo stick it in your ass and suck on it for an hour.


As for the other posts, i could care less if you think im going to bust or not succeed.

I put my story out for viewers interested on what a Las Vegas dream feels like. If you don't like my story then DON'T READ IT. Plain and simple.

Im done with your idiotic posts that contradict every other post everyone says. Everyone has there view on poker, that's why there's multiple books on play style, you don't like my play style then STOP READING.

Enough is enough, you comment on my page with anything negative ill report your post and have it taken off immediately. You want to give me advice on poker, tell me. Anything else keep it out your damn mouth.

Other then that, im hitting up the rooms.

(To everyone with positive comments, and the awesome messages that want me to continue THANK YOU. Your the only reason i keep this going!)


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Old 02-21-2015, 06:19 AM   #257
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The big hurt shut the **** up lmao

Go get a dildo stick it in your ass and suck on it for an hour.


As for the other posts, i could care less if you think im going to bust or not succeed.

I put my story out for viewers interested on what a Las Vegas dream feels like. If you don't like my story then DON'T READ IT. Plain and simple.

Im done with your idiotic posts that contradict every other post everyone says. Everyone has there view on poker, that's why there's multiple books on play style, you don't like my play style then STOP READING.

Enough is enough, you comment on my page with anything negative ill report your post and have it taken off immediately. You want to give me advice on poker, tell me. Anything else keep it out your damn mouth.

Other then that, im hitting up the rooms.

(To everyone with positive comments, and the awesome messages that want me to continue THANK YOU. Your the only reason i keep this going!)


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Get over yourself. If you can't handle criticism (constructive and otherwise) in an online forum, then you're probably going to need a new hobby too.

Go ahead and "report" this as negative. You're the one more likely to have your post removed/edited for your personal attack and dildo comment. This isn't BBV and it isn't "your thread".
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Old 02-21-2015, 08:48 AM   #258
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^ i do not take your post at all negative, but if you look at the big hurts comment before mine.. I think you should understand why i responded the way i did.
I expect people to post constructive criticism but that is not, that is hurtful and arrogant. I post one thing and im the bad guy but people can flame my blog all day without a single bad response towards them. I would hope you see where im coming from.

But back to why i started this thread.

IM BACK IN BLACK.. Well Actually RED*

To end my winning night, i flopped a 9 high straight flush.

The Red Rock has no high hands, but do have a straight flush board from 5 to king high and payout is 1k+ to 5K depending what order the straight flushes get hit. Unfortunately King high straight flush was the only way paying out at $5,000, But wow what a hand and a great way to end the night.

Cashed out at +104 playing my A game enjoyed being back at the tables finally! Felt great and have decided when feeling burnout, to just take a week off and a breather.

I just got back taxes and got paid today (2 weeker) so im figuring out how much im going to add to my bankroll. (900).



Also a hand that was a significant pot..

33 in small blind.

2 limpers and a raise from button to 15.
I flat and 2 fold.

Flop comes 32K ...

I check, she checks.. (Girl knew what she was doing and put her on AK 100%, no other reason she would check in that spot).

Turn comes ...
2

I bet out 20 to see if she was holding "big slick".
BAM! she beats me to the pot. **** yes.

River comes ... 2
I sign instantly making her think shes "GOLD".
bet out 15 to induce a reraise, BAM! she makes it 80.
I sit uncomfortably thinking, then say "well im not folding.. im all in"
She sits almost think shes beat, but calls it off like a slot machine.

She turns AK

Good night, and i hope people are more understanding of where im coming from considering i made this blog to show people my journey through being a Las Vegas resident grinding the biggest casinos in the country.

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Old 02-21-2015, 12:34 PM   #259
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Re: Won't Stop, Can't Stop! "The Life of a VEGAS Grinder"

You say she knew what she was doing, but she couldn't have possibly been that good to raise-call the river after the sigh. That is the biggest tell in the book.
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Old 02-21-2015, 02:24 PM   #260
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I'm confused. She knew what she was doing so she checked back top pair top kicker on the flop? In a vacuum, your $15 to induce on the river is pretty terrible and will often result in you getting paid the absolute minimum.
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Old 02-21-2015, 02:58 PM   #261
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Re: Won't Stop, Can't Stop! "The Life of a VEGAS Grinder"

Anytime OP tries to write anything having to do with strat, it's borderline offensive.
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Old 02-21-2015, 03:55 PM   #262
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OP, I've been reading this thread for a while, and I admire your attitude, your openness and willingness to improve your game.

Your strat posts and general commentary on the game strongly suggests a real naivety about your own inexperience and weaknesses.

I believe your opinion of your own skills is unrealistically high. You should consider that you aren't as good as you think. And that's ok.

I recommend more humbleness, less attention and self-congratulation to what you think are your great plays, and more self criticism and harsh analysis of where things don't turn out well.

That's the best way to keep improving your game.

The woman with AK butchered the hand, and was not good. No reason to not cbet with TPTK. And her calling off a "sigh" 3bet ship on the river is awful.

Just one stranger's opinion. But a lot of other people have jumped in this thread to be critical of you. Even if they were rude about it, consider the fact that they may have a point.

Either way, I wish you the best of luck.
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Old 02-21-2015, 06:49 PM   #263
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I'm confused. She knew what she was doing so she checked back top pair top kicker on the flop? In a vacuum, your $15 to induce on the river is pretty terrible and will often result in you getting paid the absolute minimum.
Why wouldn't she check back top pair top kicker in that spot with a rainbow board and only a wheel draw out there. Let the board make some draws then bet out on the turn. In a situation like that i think i would of check back too 2 handed that is.

And yes most players i wouldn't of induced, but she snapped me on the turn and believed she might of tried to in this spot. because most players would know its either chopped or beat.
I think possibly a push would look weaker in that spot and be the better move.


Btw anyone flopped a striaght flush before? what the fu*k are the odds of that happening.

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Old 02-21-2015, 08:31 PM   #264
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most players i wouldn't of induced, but she snapped me on the turn and believed she might of tried to in this spot. because most players would know its either chopped or beat.
I think possibly a push would look weaker in that spot and be the better move.
pushing is better if you knew she had AK.


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Old 02-21-2015, 09:42 PM   #265
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Why wouldn't she check back top pair top kicker in that spot with a rainbow board and only a wheel draw out there. Let the board make some draws then bet out on the turn. In a situation like that i think i would of check back too 2 handed that is.
Beating this level of poker is all about taking a value oriented approach...ie when we have hands we should be betting them. It's criminal not to go for 3 streets of value with AK top pair top kicker at this level.

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And yes most players i wouldn't of induced, but she snapped me on the turn and believed she might of tried to in this spot. because most players would know its either chopped or beat.
I think possibly a push would look weaker in that spot and be the better move.
Yeah, but if she snapped the turn a lot of times she will snap the river. In general I prefer a bet bet bet line but if you really thought this villain was that strong a check/shove line would be better than bet/hope she raises/shove line.

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Btw anyone flopped a striaght flush before? what the fu*k are the odds of that happening.
Don't remind me. I was supposed to flop one a few weeks ago but I was leaving and didn't play the hand. The straddle had flopped the nut flush and turn was a blank so he would have been stacked. But yeah, I've flopped straight flushes. No clue on the odds but year it's pretty rare. Some of us hit straight flushes more than others depending on the hand ranges we play.
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Old 02-22-2015, 02:07 AM   #266
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I still don't understand all the writing of words in all caps? Are those meant to be words that you're yelling at me, because emphasis is conveyed through italics?

I think you would benefit greatly, both personally and in your game if you took a day or two and reread many of the post in this thread from a third person perspective. I think you'll feel less emotional about what you are posting and reading and see it more subjectively and potential reevaluate where you are, where you are heading and where you want to be in poker.
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Anything that helps you learn the game, I'm all for it. Just know that you still have a lot of improvement to do. Having read your hand histories I'm not sure you are actually a winning player and if you are you are just marginally so. That's ok though because everyone has to start from somewhere. I recommend focusing all your time and energy on 1/2 and not worrying about 2/5, tourneys, or online. Good luck.
Some of the best advice in the thread
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Old 02-22-2015, 04:02 AM   #268
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Op manages to get villan all in with a boat and he gets no credit, yet thats the whole secret to the game. Then he's critized for his play while winning and he's playing 1/2 in Vegas where people tend to play middle pair and ace high. That's what makes this game so hard, if you play tag consistently nobody calls your bets if you play lag they call you all the way down the trick is to find the mid point and hope you're right and that's very hard to convey in a hand history it more complicated than that.
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Old 02-22-2015, 05:37 AM   #269
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But back to why i started this thread.


Also a hand that was a significant pot..

33 in small blind.

2 limpers and a raise from button to 15.
I flat and 2 fold.

Flop comes 32K ...

I check, she checks.. (Girl knew what she was doing and put her on AK 100%, no other reason she would check in that spot).

Turn comes ...
2

I bet out 20 to see if she was holding "big slick".
BAM! she beats me to the pot. **** yes.

River comes ... 2
I sign instantly making her think shes "GOLD".
bet out 15 to induce a reraise, BAM! she makes it 80.
I sit uncomfortably thinking, then say "well im not folding.. im all in"
She sits almost think shes beat, but calls it off like a slot machine.

She turns AK

Good night, and i hope people are more understanding of where im coming from considering i made this blog to show people my journey through being a Las Vegas resident grinding the biggest casinos in the country.

-Riverrat
Let's rip this hand a part a little

All you show is that you hit a 11.2% chance against top/top, with a board run out that only has three other pocket pairs, and a miracle quads beating her top boat?

What was your stack size? What was her stack size? What is your table image? What was her table image?

You seem to be short buying a majority of your games, so I doubt you have more than $200 in front of you, and even if the villain in the hand has you covered, heads up, out of position with a pocket pair against you said a "solid 1/2 player" should c-bet all flops that come out. Where you would promptly check fold unless hitting your set.

You need to be getting a minimum of 30/1 to call this bet, and I would argue that it has to be higher than this as well since not only are you check folding for over 88% of all flops, your brilliant play of checking the flop and leading less than 2/3 pot on the turn and her not connecting with a non made hand would net you a massive $22 dollars, without getting any additional draws or under pairs to a king on that board to commit any more money.

The fact that this is the hand that you are highlighting and touting your "pro" level play in which is a pretty standard cooler that the money should have gotten in prior to the river. And your "speech" CRAI in the river is such a polarized range that sitting so strong, but with your short stack size anyone would snap call a shove, again shows how your play is less than optimal on every single street.
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Maybe that's why she checked because she knew most of the time i didnt connect with a PP, or didn't connect with flop with anything else. Also we were playing 6 handed it was late, so maybe she was trying to get max value disguising in a great spot "usually".

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Hell yea it was brilliant. idk what hand she has only ranges, and sets only come so often so i try to maximize value by disguising my hand, first to act and am not trying to get anybody off a hand on that kind of board.

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When did i ever say i was pro because of the hands i post, This is simply showing you my main hands of the night, and review on the blog. where do you pull this **** out of? Get out of there with that, your coming at me saying stuff that has never come out of my mouth. i lost complete respect for your entire post this line.

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Op manages to get villan all in with a boat and he gets no credit, yet thats the whole secret to the game. Then he's critized for his play while winning and he's playing 1/2 in Vegas where people tend to play middle pair and ace high. That's what makes this game so hard, if you play tag consistently nobody calls your bets if you play lag they call you all the way down the trick is to find the mid point and hope you're right and that's very hard to convey in a hand history it more complicated than that.
Thank you man, i couldn't of said it better myself. Conditions, and how your opponent is playing is a big part on bet sizing in a LIVE game.

Thanks for actually appreciating my post that i put out there for people to enjoy instead of harassing every part of it. Staxx some Nits for me bro
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Old 02-22-2015, 10:30 AM   #272
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This thread is why poker is such a great game. If the best player won every time, the pool would dry up (enter witty line about a woman going through menopause) super quick.

Here you have an OP who is legitimately trying to do the right things, yet has his mind set on going about it the wrong way. Oh. And he's flopping straight flushes and doubling up against top/top while sitting short.

This is why the rest of us play the game. This is why others (like myself) dream of moving to vegas. Thank you OP, you continue to fuel my desire with every post. I look forward to sitting down at the table with you. Good luck Sir!
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Old 02-22-2015, 12:35 PM   #273
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just read the whole thread. I am subbed. I myself just like you are 1/2 player. if I were you and I lived in Vegas I would be hitting up the strip casinos trying to take the drunk tourist money. I'll be in vegas for 2 night in march and this is what I plan on doing
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Old 02-22-2015, 01:22 PM   #274
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Has anyone played a session with OP? I don't see how this is legit. The story reminds me of a SNL skit based upon a real poker player.
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Old 02-22-2015, 01:25 PM   #275
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Has anyone played a session with OP? I don't see how this is legit. The story reminds me of a SNL skit based upon a real poker player.
I don't think there's reasons to think that he's not legit, I'm sure his posts actually happened. At the very least he gets points for enthusiasm.

But at this point he's just cherry-picking replies that go along with his approach. He basically doesn't take any of the solid advice in the thread or anything contrary to what he's doing. Again, I've been calling for the busto post since page 2 - I think we can all agree that it's inevitable at this point.
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