Why you always hatin on people..... I think youve gone life busto you gripy biaaaaatch

LOL! I suppose that using math & logic can be surmised as "hatin on people".

Let's review here - the kid started with an $800 "bankroll". I don't exactly consider myself Nostradamus for calling the busto . . .

I think this thread is pretty interesting; keep it up, OP. You seem more like a feel player, which is kind of contrary to the generally more math-oriented 2p2 approach, so it's not surprising you're getting a lot of negative feedback. It's cool to hear from someone coming from a different perspective than most on here.

It sounds like you've mostly been playing in the RR games; I think you're doing yourself a disservice to not check out some different games while you have the chance. Maybe you'll find you're better suited to the Planet Hollywood 1/2 game or the Aria 1/3 PLO or who knows??

you mad bro?

Since its obvious you have a hard time figuring things out i will try and break it down for you.

I ask a serious question to get a feel for how much work you are putting into this game outside of playing short stacked live slow stakes nl

You respond with a with a post that makes you sound stupid as you make false claims.

I try to explain how your idiotic posts make me feel.

You get upset and lash out.

Please do report my posts, see where that goes.

Don't do any studying, continue to play poorly while you tell people you are a poker grinder and brag about your prowess, go broke and blame it on bad luck.

Poker is not some esoteric thing, learning the concepts that allow you to beat llsnl is not hard, but you continue to show that you are not doing any of this.

your hand analysis is so painful to read, you leave out important information and have no clue whats going on, but i will try and be constructive despite your rudeness.

Defending the sb from an 8.5bb button raise with 33 is not a profitable play, especially when you are short stacked (although we don't know your stack size here as you left that out even though its important information when reviewing a hand). Do you see why that is?

Your direct odds are too low, you will not flop a set enough of the time. You are also oop which will make it harder to get your whole stack in Most of the time you will not flop anything and x/f your money away.

Now in this hand, you run into the absolute best scenario you could hope for, you make a bad call, flop gin AND happen to have an opponent that has enough of a hand to pay you off.

Despite you poor play, you post this as an example of how well you play, when it is in fact the complete oppositse, which further reinforces my comments from before.

It's pretty hilarious that OP is so bad at poker that people don't think the thread is even real.

Bug hurt 35 laying it out and splaining tha pokerz

I'm an online player who is successful at live because the year before I focused on learning how to both walk and chew gum. Helped a lot.

I just want to learn how to play 600 live hands a night so consider me subscribed to this thread.

~30 hands an hours\400-600 hands a night...

You're playing 13-20 hours of poker a night?!?!?!?

Or do you mean he's a more fly by the seat of his pants kinda player making decisions without any sort of structured analytical approach.

All indications are that the RR games are easy. OP is not anywhere close to properly bankrolled for 1/3 PLO.

Don't let the haters get you down though OP. They just hate you cause they ain't you.

Have I done my "they hate us cause they ain't us" James Franco meme in this thread yet? Don't wanna retread

Yea I don't listen anymore to the haters there wasting there time, I will continue to play poker in the winning matter I've done so. It's funny that people think this is fake, everything on my thread is 100% real.

Kid-you need to understand something-

the advice your getting is not hating, and the posters are actually trying to help you-their advice is going to save you significant money and pain.

Some here have done what you are trying.... and made more than you can imagine......so try to turn off your ego and listen.

You came to a poker site to chronicle you journey-and if you really want to make the jump from home town hero to a real "Grinder" it is very obvious to everyone on here that you need to grow. Your thought process is elementary at best, and there are many talented players here that can help you grow if you are interested. The next time someone offers you advice, instead of a complicated explanation of why you are right (the classic: Yeah, but.......) step back and try to think about why they have offered you this advice. You are getting the benefit of players that are much more experienced, and subtle in their thinking, and your only cost is dealing with the embarrassment of being corrected in an online forum...really a pretty low cost for the value you are gaining, don't you think?

Good luck young man-I hope the game gives you what you want.

Seems like more people atectrying to bash him instead of help... Nobody plays everyhand perfect... Different ways to play each hand.... You guys act like yall are know it alls let OP play however he likes he's the one putting the mo ey on the table.... If he plays so bad go sit at his table at RR and exploit him for his money til then let the guy enjoy himself... Have fun in vegas rat dont let these wanna be phil helmuths ruin your experience posting in this forum

Ok RR session tonight with my cousin, lets just say 10 outs is a bitch.

Im in small blind with 35

$6 raise from UTG and 4 callers, i call off the 6 dollar raise as does the BB.

Flop comes ...
246

I check.
2 checks until MP raises $15, late position and button calls.
Now what should i do.. tank for a couple seconds and decide to pop it to $55.
(thinking that was enough to keep a weaker hand around, suggestions?)

MP snaps, late position and button fold.

Turn comes ...
7

Theirs now about 195 in the pot, tanked to think about the best way to get max value. I pull out 75 to bet and then look at the pot size, and think enough's enough, IM ALL IN.

Guy tanks for a second.. Well kid if you got it the board better pair. I CALL.

River comes ...
7

What a ****ing joke..

Well boys, you win some you lose some.

-200
(Decided to put 1,000 in the bank roll, to cap it at an even $2,000.)



-Riverrat

Fold preflop to many players too easy to get in trouble with middle pair and even if you flop a straight or flush to easily counterfieted and if you flop a boat good luck getting paid off and if you flop two pair over an over pair you're in good but not awesome shape you're going to muck most of these and it adds up

That said, what do you think these guys had in my experience you've got a set, some kind of straight draw, and someone probably has an overpair you raising says you have a minimum of a set so the the only hands calling have a good draw and you need to shut them out so after rethinking this you probably should've pushed on the flop

Thinking you maybe mis-read where OP check-raised to $55? If you're only facing $15 with the nuts, why would you ever shove over a $15 bet if you have more than $50? I think the raise is fine, because multi-way, someone is bound to have hit the flop, so you want someone with a set in there. He played it great to get the money in on the turn a 77% favorite and it didn't work out. If he's in that spot again, should he not take the exact same line?

As bad as I ran the last couple weeks in those kind of 70%+ favorite spots when the money has went in and I lost like 4 or 5 in a row, it still wouldn't deter me from the next time doing the exact same thing, instead of trying to push the hands away. How else are you making money?

That was my initial thinking. But after rethinkng and realizing he's in a four way pot where he is likely up against at least one draw if not two, ie higher straight or fullhouse making a 1/2 pot bet against 3 other oppenents is too light and it needs to price them out.

This is results-oriented thinking. Shoving and getting everyone to fold when we have the nuts is a lot worse.

The only thing I would change is folding pre. If I'm playing short, I'm not calling UTG raises with 5-high. As played, we have the nuts, and OP fired out a good sized raised, villain chased, and he got there.

Trying to find the softest 1/2 or 1/3 game around is not what I was referring to, as they're all "easy." Some games will tend to be tighter, rooms have different atmospheres/amenities/etc; all these things will figure into which room is best for you personally, and the only way to find that out is trial and error.

As far as bankroll management goes, OP is not "properly bankrolled" for any games, but he does have a job so busting his roll isn't the end of the world. If he has a similar wr in NL and PLO and is playing both underrolled, the higher variance game (PLO) will give him a better chance of experiencing positive variance and running up a big score, and really isn't that kind of gambool what threads like this should be about? As opposed to all this boring mumbo-jumbo about hand analysis/equity/etc.

I'd think he'd need to make a pot sized bet here. I've seen these multi way draws before not sure getting a fold is all that bad.

But really op got lucky with on this hand but this is a deepstack hand not small stack and even then you're not getting paid off enough to make the play so you just dribble your chips down to nothing doing this

I don't understand why u keep playing at Redrocks and not the strip. The 1/2 games on the strip r full of fish. Some have never played before saying I have seen this on TV it looks easy.

If you think the RR 1/2 game isn't full of fish, you've never played at RR. They're just a different breed of fish. Games can get pretty epic late night.

How deep are you to start the hand - what's the effective stack size?

If <100bb I'd be folding pre. Post seems fine as played if we're taking a flop

Yo RivRat thanks for posting your TR, and good luck with everything. I gotta say though that if your percentage of people with white hair, added to the percentage of people drinking black coffee = anywhere close to 100% (aka Red Rock), it isn't an optimal place to grind poker. Put it this way, I live 1 mile from RR and happily take the trip to the strip EVERY time I play. Can you make money at the Rock, sure ...

But why try to peel some old timer's c-note that he's been farting into for the last four years while he is hunting for comps and drinking coffee when you can take it from a guy paying $300 a night for a suite and pounding tequila?