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04-18-2018 , 03:51 PM
I also find it pretty annoying when the dealers are overly talkative but i dont think you should have been fired, ive heard dealers joke/say far worse things to players.

How did you know this guy was a "high roller for caesers?" Theres tons of cash tables running during wsop so how were you so familiar with him or who he was?
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04-18-2018 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by TheCanoe


yeah its never a good feeling. I've done it more than once on night one. I can totally get someone blowing 20-50k and going busto, maxing out the ATM limit, and sitting at the smallest stakes poker game they can find. **** happens.
I find your ability to accept that "**** happens" a quality most do not have and very admirable. I've read your trip reports and the way I would put it (not at all insulting either) is you are just crazy enough to be sane.


We've all been there, regardless of our roll or limits. I've hit the local casino at 4:00 in the afternoon and by 4:30 I'm hoping I can outlast rush hour traffic before busto.

I've done the walk of shame to the greasy fried food sit down place and had the comped rubber chicken with a side of zero dignity while I wait for traffic to clear out. Roughly an hour later I'm in my car praying traffic lightens up as the chicken extracts it's revenge.
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04-18-2018 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Living Abortion
I disagree. Jesting with players happens a lot more than you may think. As a dealer you gotta "pick your shots." During the incident, I made a judgement call that obviously didn't turn out in my favor long term. Had any of you been there I'm sure you wouldn't have called for me to lose my job or be saying that you're thankful that I was let go. The table I was dealing to was a mix mostly reg players from out of town, and they all exclaimed after words that Perry was over reacting. They all tipped me extremely well after the incident. Also the next day I was let go and one of the guys I dealt to at the table recognized me and I told him I was let go. He then bought me into a $500 turbo tournament as a means to thank me for my dealing over the summer. Lol. That was pretty cool. He played the main and his buddy cashed for $110k+. They were from India, nice guys.
Being a good dealer doesn't mean the absence of table talk. I play full time now and I would say, "it depends" as far as how I determine if a dealer is good or not. Good dealing mechanics is obviously desirable. If they talk during tournaments that usually annoys me. Cash, especially lower stakes cash, if they talk to players occasionally I have no problem with that, especially if a player strikes up a conversation. As a dealer, I was hustling. I wanted as many tips as possible. $1-3 tables were the best, alot of soft players that wanted to be affirmed. Honestly it was good for me and for the game, those players tended to return despite being losing players and having dealers make friendly conversation that pandered to the table lessened the blow that they were losing. Regs made good money, I made good tips. It's not rocket science. It's the same MO that those half naked black jack dealers with the top hats use to bring people back and make better tips. The only difference is, I can't get half naked. I have to be less overt to "work the room." I can't tell you how many times people still tipped me for winning an $8 pot preflop just because they liked me, or tipped me $25,$30, or $50 on a larger one (never got a blackbird though.) I can honestly say I was probably the 2nd most loved dealer by players in that poker room. But whateva...
The whole passive aggressive part may be true, but not for me during this incident or otherwise. I have seen dealers completely destroy good games. Good dealers know whats good for the game. For example, I would let the table sometimes decide among themselves instead of calling the floor over for minor infractions. This led to happier, less embarrassed players and more tips for letting the players believe they had a semblance of having authority. I had a table ask to do a PLO flip where everyone put in $25 and I would deal a PLO hand face-up to each player and the winner would scoop the pot. If I asked the floor, they would have said no and the players would have been bummed. I told the table with a smirk what the floor would think then did it. The winner tipped me $25 and the table thought I was the "cool dealer." They tipped me well after that as well and the returning players remembered me weeks later and I made a lovely amount off them in tips.
Working a table for tips is like getting laid, or selling a car. The root tactic is the same, the implementation is different for each however. Read the situation and take whatever social line that will get them to like you to do what you want them to do.
That's why I love poker. It's profitable and its predatory. I like that I'm better than you, smarter than you, more educated in game theory, and strat and more disciplined than you. I also like that I can schmooze you, and tell you that you played well or that a hand was standard, though you were leaking EV all day, and you will return to do it all over again. I took that mentality into dealing. I WANT YOUR MONEY, as much as your willing to give me. I'll size up the table, and take whatever line is most advantageous to me getting the most tips. If that means neglecting the Alex Trebek's Cat's of the world to please the other 7 or 8 people at the table then I'm going to do so, which usually isn't the case.
.... apparently only modesty prevented you from self-proclaiming to be the most loved dealer at the 2017 WSOP.

I disagree that this incident was unfortunate for you. I think your self-selecting judgment call in this incident did turn out better for you in the long term. You are undoubtedly happier as a player than as a dealer who reps the house. "That mentality" that you strut is better suited to playing than to dealing.

You didn't come here to deal, you came here to play
: "I moved to Las Vegas last year to kick off my poker career and ended taking a dealing job during the series because one of my friends worked in upper-management in the poker room and said it would be a profitable gig."

Last edited by Gzesh; 04-18-2018 at 07:12 PM.
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04-18-2018 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by apricotjello
doesn’t feel right until the shame of scarfing down a $1 Del Taco 1/2 lb burrito alone hits either
fyp.
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04-18-2018 , 07:13 PM
Talkative fun dealers make poker more fun and make a lot more in tips in return. I have experienced this many times when I played in Vegas. It’s a win win situation.

Couple things: the dealer has to keep the game moving and not be an ass.

OP I think your joke would have been fine if you knew the player/ were friendly with him and he wasn’t losing. What you said was not OK imo. Getting you fired was gross too for such a comment.
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04-18-2018 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Pensfan
I find your ability to accept that "**** happens" a quality most do not have and very admirable. I've read your trip reports and the way I would put it (not at all insulting either) is you are just crazy enough to be sane.


We've all been there, regardless of our roll or limits. I've hit the local casino at 4:00 in the afternoon and by 4:30 I'm hoping I can outlast rush hour traffic before busto.

I've done the walk of shame to the greasy fried food sit down place and had the comped rubber chicken with a side of zero dignity while I wait for traffic to clear out. Roughly an hour later I'm in my car praying traffic lightens up as the chicken extracts it's revenge.
The amount never really matters, % of self at risk is they key. Chicken revenge sounds lethal.

If you’ve read my reports, you know I’ve thrown some heat on snotty little ****s who talk down to me working at the casino. I don’t ever want anyone fired but they need a talking to sometimes. OP falls in this category. Even if he’s just a broke fish, don’t talk down to the guest
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04-18-2018 , 07:19 PM
You were talking in the box (wrong) and then embarrassed a player with an ill advised joke which was more talking in the box.

See ya.
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04-18-2018 , 08:18 PM
I heard you got fired because of your screen name.
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04-18-2018 , 09:07 PM
There's obviously more to the story. I've dealt the series 7 years now, never heard of a good dealer getting fired over something like that.
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04-18-2018 , 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by foatie
Sometimes you gotta fade the little dumps of dopamine that you get from a well timed zinger on someone, especially while on the clock.
+1

I agree. I probably shouldn't have said what I said. I went "player mode" on him if you know what I mean. Normally as a player I'll occasionally talk a little smack if I know it could tilt more $$$ on the table.
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04-18-2018 , 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Philly03
There's obviously more to the story. I've dealt the series 7 years now, never heard of a good dealer getting fired over something like that.
from an email from WSOP Management Committee:

"The WSOP Recruiting and Management Teams appreciate your detailed explanation of last years incident. Unfortunately, they have re-affirmed their decision to not offer you the opportunity to deal either at the 2018 World Series of Poker or in the Rio Poker Room.



Good luck in your future endeavors. You are more than welcomed to apply again next year."
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04-18-2018 , 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Gzesh
.... apparently only modesty prevented you from self-proclaiming to be the most loved dealer at the 2017 WSOP.
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So, for the 2017 WSOP there was dealers needed in the RIO poker room, not the Amazon room, or the Pavilion. I was sentenced to dealing the Rio's normal poker room dealing mostly $1-3 and $2-5 cash and doing small buy in daily tournament downs that ranged from $40-80.

Their were maybe 20-25 dealers staffed in that room during the WSOP. So being 2nd wasn't a long shot FOR THAT ROOM, lol.
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04-18-2018 , 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by lvBlitzforce
I also find it pretty annoying when the dealers are overly talkative but i dont think you should have been fired, ive heard dealers joke/say far worse things to players.

How did you know this guy was a "high roller for caesers?" Theres tons of cash tables running during wsop so how were you so familiar with him or who he was?
I was dealing in the RIO poker room during the series, not that big cash and daily tournament room with the KINGS LOUNGE in it. So we as dealers dealt to a lot of regulars and out-of-town regs, nam sayin?

Also I was told after the incident the guy I needled was a high roller and honestly it made sense. I had seen him playing tables many times before this. ( I would go often to the pits with my roommate at the time after work and watch my roommate blow through his rent money.) LOL.
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04-18-2018 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Playlive
You were talking in the box (wrong) and then embarrassed a player with an ill advised joke which was more talking in the box.

See ya.
You would be great working in HR.

I feel like HR is something like this:

32 yr old single ladies, with no kids and a BMI of 32% = power trip, bone to pick, soul crushing, rhymes with punt with no sense of humor

you should have been there negative nancy, wasn't thaaaaaaaat bad.
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04-19-2018 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by TheCanoe
The amount never really matters, % of self at risk is they key. Chicken revenge sounds lethal.

If you’ve read my reports, you know I’ve thrown some heat on snotty little ****s who talk down to me working at the casino. I don’t ever want anyone fired but they need a talking to sometimes. OP falls in this category. Even if he’s just a broke fish, don’t talk down to the guest
Here's the thing, I think there were some kickers that led to Perry calling for me being fired, that if they didn't happen all at once, Perry probably wouldn't have called for my job and let it slide. Like I said Perry and I normally had good rapport and joked with each other previously.

1. Perry lost a lot of money that night.

2. When I called floor, Perry got a lashing from the floor supervisor. It was pretty heated solving the whole straddle dilemma and Perry felt pretty embarrassed making a scene to the extent that he did. Lots of raising of voices and arguing. Mark our floor manger at the time was a no-nonsense from players type of guy. His word was law (even IF he was wrong on a floor call, which happened a few times. Even when he knew he was wrong he stuck with it.)

3. Perry had short man syndrome with a big wallet. No love from the American ladies, aging sadness...

4. If the table didn't erupt in laughter.

Who cares. I'll go deal part time at the Wynn, Venetian, Aria, or New Orleans. It's decent money, I'll be free rolling my overhead, and can play whatever my roll can afford during this years series. I enjoy dealing. I enjoy playing vastly more, but I'll snag a gig for a few months during the series elsewhere.

I know this wouldn't happen statistically, but imagine if I won the main this year, I would rub it in so hard to WSOP upper-management. LOL. But nah, looong shot.
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04-19-2018 , 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Living Abortion
You would be great working in HR.

I feel like HR is something like this:

32 yr old single ladies, with no kids and a BMI of 32% = power trip, bone to pick, soul crushing, rhymes with punt with no sense of humor

you should have been there negative nancy, wasn't thaaaaaaaat bad.
No, they are working in a business and realize that customers are their meal tickets. Be a douchebag to a customer and your income drops. Surprised that you were a dealer because you sound like you're not old enough to be one.
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04-19-2018 , 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
No, they are working in a business and realize that customers are their meal tickets. Be a douchebag to a customer and your income drops. Surprised that you were a dealer because you sound like you're not old enough to be one.
I'm facetious and sarcastic, on the internet... I'm sorry I'm not treating this like a job interview genius. You would be fantastic in HR as well

I'm sure you have a great sense of humor too. Haha.
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04-19-2018 , 04:39 AM
Waiting for the rest of the story ...
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04-19-2018 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Pensfan

I've done the walk of shame to the greasy fried food sit down place and had the comped rubber chicken with a side of zero dignity while I wait for traffic to clear out. Roughly an hour later I'm in my car praying traffic lightens up as the chicken extracts it's revenge.
Fishing through the ashtray to see if there's enough change to get some onion rings at the Burger King in Baker

Buying in at a craps table for $17
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04-19-2018 , 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Living Abortion
Have a laugh

"The incident happened dealing a $1-3 cash game....Perry was in the small blind putting and put his $1 chip in to complete the small blind. Another player in the Under the Gun position straddled to $6... Perry asks me if there is a straddle and to what monetary amount. I replied "sir the straddle is to $6."

... I put the flop out... Perry is first to act with 3 players in the hand and about $18 in the pot pre rake... Perry puts in 2 $5 chips... but due to there being an Ace on the flop with a raise and re-raise behind Perry's initial bet of $10, Perry knew his KK were beat and he open showed then folded..." Perry the "High Roller" racked up his remaining chips (i think about $300) and stormed off and immediately spoke with the floor manager.
Wait a second, so Perry is in small blind and gets folded around to him and he just calls the straddle with KK? and BB completes? WTF? (3to a flop?) That just NEVER happened!

This story seems little a fishy??
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04-19-2018 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by TheCanoe
If you’ve read my reports, you know I’ve thrown some heat on snotty little ****s who talk down to me working at the casino. I don’t ever want anyone fired but they need a talking to sometimes. OP falls in this category. Even if he’s just a broke fish, don’t talk down to the guest
Loved your trip report! I hope you keep adding on to it
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04-19-2018 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Living Abortion
. . . As a dealer, I was hustling. I wanted as many tips as possible. . . .
Working a table for tips is like getting laid, or selling a car. The root tactic is the same, the implementation is different for each however. Read the situation and take whatever social line that will get them to like you to do what you want them to do.

That's why I love poker. It's profitable and its predatory. I like that I'm better than you, smarter than you, more educated in game theory, and strat and more disciplined than you. I also like that I can schmooze you, and tell you that you played well or that a hand was standard, though you were leaking EV all day, and you will return to do it all over again. I took that mentality into dealing. I WANT YOUR MONEY, as much as your willing to give me. I'll size up the table, and take whatever line is most advantageous to me getting the most tips. If that means neglecting the Alex Trebek's Cat's of the world to please the other 7 or 8 people at the table then I'm going to do so, which usually isn't the case.
I think that you have a lot to learn about respect for other people as well as what it takes to become a better human yourself, whether you're a dealer or a player. You really don't have hustle, muscle and schmooze to get ahead in life, business or poker.
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04-20-2018 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Living Abortion
You would be great working in HR.

I feel like HR is something like this:

32 yr old single ladies, with no kids and a BMI of 32% = power trip, bone to pick, soul crushing, rhymes with punt with no sense of humor

you should have been there negative nancy, wasn't thaaaaaaaat bad.
I can't imagine how you ever got fired with this level of understanding of business
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04-20-2018 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Living Abortion
+1

I agree. I probably shouldn't have said what I said. I went "player mode" on him if you know what I mean. Normally as a player I'll occasionally talk a little smack if I know it could tilt more $$$ on the table.

There's no maybe about it
It's fine to make a joke with someone you're friendly with bit it was stupid to do it with this guy

As a player is totally different
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04-20-2018 , 10:52 PM
Maybe it's a case of "too soon". Next day, the guy is sober, maybe no big deal.
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