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04-17-2018 , 09:24 PM
Have a laugh. Below is an email I sent to the WSOP Management Committee explaining and incident that got me fired from the 2017 WSOP. I guess I'm not eligible for re-hire this year. Shucks, Lord knows they don't have problems staffing dealers during the WSOP. Let alone good dealers...

"The incident happened dealing a $1-3 cash game that happened about a week and a half before the series ended. There was a particular "High Roller" named Perry that became very upset with me. Perry was in the small blind putting and put his $1 chip in to complete the small blind. Another player in the Under the Gun position straddled to $6 but put two $5 chips out to do so. I announced the straddle to the table and dealt the hand out. The hand is folded around to a player in MP who calls, and then its folded to Perry in the small blind. Perry asks me if there is a straddle and to what monetary amount. I replied "sir the straddle is to $6." Perry then begs to differ and says "no he put two $5 chips out the straddle is to $10." I then explained that at the Rio the initial straddler can only straddle for double the big blind and if someone wants to re-steal the straddle they may do so for a higher amount. Perry insisted that that was't the case. Also at this point mind you, a larger percentage of the this particular table was fairly drunk and rambunctious, Perry had a few too many drinks as well and as their dealer, I was being fairly talkative and "working the table" and schmoozing about poker news with the players. It was a fun table and this was a change of pace with Perry getting extremely upset about the straddle amount.
At this point I called "floor" and Mark our floor manager came over. I explained the situation to Mark and Mark reiterated to Perry what I had already said about straddling and Perry continued to argue with Mark before settling down and moving forward with the hand. Now here's the part that got me suspended... I put the flop out... Perry is first to act with 3 players in the hand and about $18 in the pot pre rake... Perry puts in 2 $5 chips. (you know where this is going.) Then I say " sir is that a bet of $6 or a bet of $10?" The whole table erupts in laughter and Perry starts cursing at me in a mixture of broken English and his native tongue. At this point, due to the previous nature of the table I thought a light joke might make the table tension a little lighter, but due to there being an Ace on the flop with a raise and re-raise behind Perry's initial bet of $10, Perry knew his KK were beat and he open showed then folded. He then threatened to speak with a manger about my joke, the table intervened and one guy told Perry to settle down saying "it's not a big deal, it was just a joke." Perry the "High Roller" racked up his remaining chips (i think about $300) and stormed off and immediately spoke with the floor manager. Floor pulled me aside after my down and asked me what happened, (apparently Perry just asked Floor to fire me, but didn't explain what happened.) I explained what happened. Floor then told me that I would most likely get fired for enraging a higher roller like that saying" in the casino's eyes, if it's between you and a higher roller who spends $200k+ a year at Caesars and your $8.17 and hour job, the casino is always going to side with the the high roller." The next day I was pulled aside by Mark who took my badge and told me I was fired...

God bless you Perry.
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04-17-2018 , 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Living Abortion
Have a laugh. Below is an email I sent to the WSOP Management Committee explaining and incident that got me fired from the 2017 WSOP. I guess I'm not eligible for re-hire this year. Shucks, Lord knows they don't have problems staffing dealers during the WSOP. Let alone good dealers...

"The incident happened dealing a $1-3 cash game that happened about a week and a half before the series ended. There was a particular "High Roller" named Perry that became very upset with me. Perry was in the small blind putting and put his $1 chip in to complete the small blind. Another player in the Under the Gun position straddled to $6 but put two $5 chips out to do so. I announced the straddle to the table and dealt the hand out. The hand is folded around to a player in MP who calls, and then its folded to Perry in the small blind. Perry asks me if there is a straddle and to what monetary amount. I replied "sir the straddle is to $6." Perry then begs to differ and says "no he put two $5 chips out the straddle is to $10." I then explained that at the Rio the initial straddler can only straddle for double the big blind and if someone wants to re-steal the straddle they may do so for a higher amount. Perry insisted that that was't the case. Also at this point mind you, a larger percentage of the this particular table was fairly drunk and rambunctious, Perry had a few too many drinks as well and as their dealer, I was being fairly talkative and "working the table" and schmoozing about poker news with the players. It was a fun table and this was a change of pace with Perry getting extremely upset about the straddle amount.
At this point I called "floor" and Mark our floor manager came over. I explained the situation to Mark and Mark reiterated to Perry what I had already said about straddling and Perry continued to argue with Mark before settling down and moving forward with the hand. Now here's the part that got me suspended... I put the flop out... Perry is first to act with 3 players in the hand and about $18 in the pot pre rake... Perry puts in 2 $5 chips. (you know where this is going.) Then I say " sir is that a bet of $6 or a bet of $10?" The whole table erupts in laughter and Perry starts cursing at me in a mixture of broken English and his native tongue. At this point, due to the previous nature of the table I thought a light joke might make the table tension a little lighter, but due to there being an Ace on the flop with a raise and re-raise behind Perry's initial bet of $10, Perry knew his KK were beat and he open showed then folded. He then threatened to speak with a manger about my joke, the table intervened and one guy told Perry to settle down saying "it's not a big deal, it was just a joke." Perry the "High Roller" racked up his remaining chips (i think about $300) and stormed off and immediately spoke with the floor manager. Floor pulled me aside after my down and asked me what happened, (apparently Perry just asked Floor to fire me, but didn't explain what happened.) I explained what happened. Floor then told me that I would most likely get fired for enraging a higher roller like that saying" in the casino's eyes, if it's between you and a higher roller who spends $200k+ a year at Caesars and your $8.17 and hour job, the casino is always going to side with the the high roller." The next day I was pulled aside by Mark who took my badge and told me I was fired...

God bless you Perry.
$200,000+ a year and playing 1/3 is a bit unusual..
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04-17-2018 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu Ungar
$200,000+ a year and playing 1/3 is a bit unusual..
Not necessary, I mean if hes a table games player and just wants to splash around at poker without being completely out matched then i think it is fathomable. If he were to sit down at 5-10 or 10-20 he would get slaughtered if he weren't seasoned.
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04-17-2018 , 11:00 PM
Yea I agree. Put degen just wanted to splash around. The odd part is that the pit degen was such a nit
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04-17-2018 , 11:18 PM
Maybe I missed it but what were the jokes


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04-17-2018 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Lee2k
Not necessary, I mean if hes a table games player and just wants to splash around at poker without being completely out matched then i think it is fathomable. If he were to sit down at 5-10 or 10-20 he would get slaughtered if he weren't seasoned.
Yes because a guy that plays $500 a hand blackjack probably is worried about getting beat out of $300. Seems totally legit.

Maybe move to BBV so this thread can get appropriate "love"
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04-18-2018 , 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by cfreaks
Yes because a guy that plays $500 a hand blackjack probably is worried about getting beat out of $300. Seems totally legit.

Maybe move to BBV so this thread can get appropriate "love"
you obviously don't play poker if he was splashing around at 5-10 or 10-20 he could easily lose several thousand if he was playing loose.
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04-18-2018 , 12:07 AM
this is not uncommon at all

lol
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04-18-2018 , 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by br3nt00
Maybe I missed it but what were the jokes


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It was a callback "joke" i honestly can't imagine the whole table erupting in laughter over it but I wasn't there.

I will say that i prefer a dealer who doesn't interact with players and just deals cards for the most part. Nothing worse than a dealer talking to another player while other players are waiting for the dealer to force action or deal a card.
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04-18-2018 , 01:04 AM
Being the guy was so pissed already it was a bad idea to make that joke

Of course the rio dealers are 90 PCT horrible so the fact you lost your job over it is crazy
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04-18-2018 , 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Lee2k
you obviously don't play poker if he was splashing around at 5-10 or 10-20 he could easily lose several thousand if he was playing loose.
I play poker every day. I see plenty of whales splashing around thousands of dollars on PLO tables. What I do not see are whales splashing around on 1/3 tables. If a guy can stand to lose 200k in the pits what kind of thrill is he gonna get when he steals $4 in blinds or stacks someone for half a blackjack bet?

What I see at 1/3 tables are kids min buying and wearing hoodies and beats.
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04-18-2018 , 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Lee2k
It was a callback "joke" i honestly can't imagine the whole table erupting in laughter over it but I wasn't there.

I will say that i prefer a dealer who doesn't interact with players and just deals cards for the most part. Nothing worse than a dealer talking to another player while other players are waiting for the dealer to force action or deal a card.
+1

So glad OP was fired. It doesn't matter how entertaining the dealer thought his/her stories were to the table, it doesn't matter if it was a high roller or a homeless guy, a dealer making fun of a player is always completely inappropriate.

I have seen one too many dealer be unnecessarily rude to a fish and then the fish leaves steamed. They might never come back. Those dealers are the worst thing for poker. I wonder if some of them do it passive-aggresively on purpose because they are jealous of the regs making money from the fish.
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04-18-2018 , 01:46 AM
Didn't seem to me like he was making fun of the "high roller". I would have worried the guy was deliberately causing trouble by putting out $10 then later planning to claim he bet only $6.
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04-18-2018 , 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Lee2k
It was a callback "joke" i honestly can't imagine the whole table erupting in laughter over it but I wasn't there.

I will say that i prefer a dealer who doesn't interact with players and just deals cards for the most part. Nothing worse than a dealer talking to another player while other players are waiting for the dealer to force action or deal a card.
I play semi-professionally now, and I agree with you for the most part as well. Over the series you get some out of town regs, and honestly the $1-3 tables pay dealers the best. $2-5 players don't seem to tip much (no it's not because a crappy dealer.) Usually the $2-5 games I kept my mouth shut and just dealt. But the $1-3 tables are much more lax during the series and building rapport with players was usually a good idea and led to more tips.

I moved to Las Vegas last year to kick off my poker career and ended taking a dealing job during the series because one of my friends worked in upper-management in the poker room and said it would be a profitable gig. It stunk slightly, due to not being able to play in certain events as an employee but at the time my roll wasn't big enough to play most bracelet event anyways. I planned on working it this year and quitting to play in the main and a few other events, but I won't be hired back anyways. Lol.
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04-18-2018 , 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Alex Trebek's Cat
+1

So glad OP was fired. It doesn't matter how entertaining the dealer thought his/her stories were to the table, it doesn't matter if it was a high roller or a homeless guy, a dealer making fun of a player is always completely inappropriate.

I have seen one too many dealer be unnecessarily rude to a fish and then the fish leaves steamed. They might never come back. Those dealers are the worst thing for poker. I wonder if some of them do it passive-aggresively on purpose because they are jealous of the regs making money from the fish.

I disagree. Jesting with players happens a lot more than you may think. As a dealer you gotta "pick your shots." During the incident, I made a judgement call that obviously didn't turn out in my favor long term. Had any of you been there I'm sure you wouldn't have called for me to lose my job or be saying that you're thankful that I was let go. The table I was dealing to was a mix mostly reg players from out of town, and they all exclaimed after words that Perry was over reacting. They all tipped me extremely well after the incident. Also the next day I was let go and one of the guys I dealt to at the table recognized me and I told him I was let go. He then bought me into a $500 turbo tournament as a means to thank me for my dealing over the summer. Lol. That was pretty cool. He played the main and his buddy cashed for $110k+. They were from India, nice guys.
Being a good dealer doesn't mean the absence of table talk. I play full time now and I would say, "it depends" as far as how I determine if a dealer is good or not. Good dealing mechanics is obviously desirable. If they talk during tournaments that usually annoys me. Cash, especially lower stakes cash, if they talk to players occasionally I have no problem with that, especially if a player strikes up a conversation. As a dealer, I was hustling. I wanted as many tips as possible. $1-3 tables were the best, alot of soft players that wanted to be affirmed. Honestly it was good for me and for the game, those players tended to return despite being losing players and having dealers make friendly conversation that pandered to the table lessened the blow that they were losing. Regs made good money, I made good tips. It's not rocket science. It's the same MO that those half naked black jack dealers with the top hats use to bring people back and make better tips. The only difference is, I can't get half naked. I have to be less overt to "work the room." I can't tell you how many times people still tipped me for winning an $8 pot preflop just because they liked me, or tipped me $25,$30, or $50 on a larger one (never got a blackbird though.) I can honestly say I was probably the 2nd most loved dealer by players in that poker room. But whateva...
The whole passive aggressive part may be true, but not for me during this incident or otherwise. I have seen dealers completely destroy good games. Good dealers know whats good for the game. For example, I would let the table sometimes decide among themselves instead of calling the floor over for minor infractions. This led to happier, less embarrassed players and more tips for letting the players believe they had a semblance of having authority. I had a table ask to do a PLO flip where everyone put in $25 and I would deal a PLO hand face-up to each player and the winner would scoop the pot. If I asked the floor, they would have said no and the players would have been bummed. I told the table with a smirk what the floor would think then did it. The winner tipped me $25 and the table thought I was the "cool dealer." They tipped me well after that as well and the returning players remembered me weeks later and I made a lovely amount off them in tips.
Working a table for tips is like getting laid, or selling a car. The root tactic is the same, the implementation is different for each however. Read the situation and take whatever social line that will get them to like you to do what you want them to do.
That's why I love poker. It's profitable and its predatory. I like that I'm better than you, smarter than you, more educated in game theory, and strat and more disciplined than you. I also like that I can schmooze you, and tell you that you played well or that a hand was standard, though you were leaking EV all day, and you will return to do it all over again. I took that mentality into dealing. I WANT YOUR MONEY, as much as your willing to give me. I'll size up the table, and take whatever line is most advantageous to me getting the most tips. If that means neglecting the Alex Trebek's Cat's of the world to please the other 7 or 8 people at the table then I'm going to do so, which usually isn't the case.
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04-18-2018 , 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by cfreaks
I play poker every day. I see plenty of whales splashing around thousands of dollars on PLO tables. What I do not see are whales splashing around on 1/3 tables. If a guy can stand to lose 200k in the pits what kind of thrill is he gonna get when he steals $4 in blinds or stacks someone for half a blackjack bet?

What I see at 1/3 tables are kids min buying and wearing hoodies and beats.
True, true... At the time this happened, Perry was waiting to play at a $2-5 table but they had an opening at the $1-3 game so he jumped in. Also a little backround... I knew Perry and dealt to him probably 10-11 times before the incident and normally we talked and joked and what-not. We even had an extensive conversation about his ivory cane collection, which to this day I think is fake. lol.

The thing I didn't know is that he lost a considerable amount at a table game right before he came to the poker room. Also I saw him flaming mad playing Pai Gow later that night and was playing fairly high stakes and losing. I had a gal friend that worked in high stakes table games and she let me know that he lost a considerable amount at baccarat that night and had he not lost alot of $$$$$$, then he probably wouldn't have reacted adversely to to what happened. Crappy timing lol.


"1-3, Kids min buying in, beats and hoodies" so true.

"stacks someone for half a blackjack bet" ahahahahhahaa
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04-18-2018 , 03:47 AM
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Originally Posted by cantrunworse
this is not uncommon at all

lol
what is not uncommon?
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04-18-2018 , 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by borg23
Being the guy was so pissed already it was a bad idea to make that joke

Of course the rio dealers are 90 PCT horrible so the fact you lost your job over it is crazy
yeah the dealers suuuuucked last year. I played cash and I had a gal that literally could not pitch cards and didn't know how to read a board. She had to slide cards halfheartedly to the players and we had to tell her the winning hand every time it got to showdown. She mucked a winning hand twice and there was no floor around to clear it up. LOL. Also I'll just say, she had a massive language barrier as well. Also last year they were 200+ dealers short for the WSOP. Not a joke... They offered jobs to anyone with a pulse. Which is why I think it's weird that they wouldn't hire me back, knowing how desperate they were last year. I got offered a job dealing @ Kings Casino in CR, but lets face it, that's a lose-lose, nuff said.

Other than joking with the gamboozler degen Perry and getting let go, I was nut-nut dealer baby.
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04-18-2018 , 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by cfreaks
I play poker every day. I see plenty of whales splashing around thousands of dollars on PLO tables. What I do not see are whales splashing around on 1/3 tables. If a guy can stand to lose 200k in the pits what kind of thrill is he gonna get when he steals $4 in blinds or stacks someone for half a blackjack bet?

What I see at 1/3 tables are kids min buying and wearing hoodies and beats.
There is a Billionaire who plays $125 tournaments at Aria.
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04-18-2018 , 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Lee2k
It was a callback "joke" i honestly can't imagine the whole table erupting in laughter over it but I wasn't there.

I will say that i prefer a dealer who doesn't interact with players and just deals cards for the most part. Nothing worse than a dealer talking to another player while other players are waiting for the dealer to force action or deal a card.
I prefer dealers who can do all that at the same time. There are a few of them. I think OP is saying he is like that.
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04-18-2018 , 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by cfreaks
I play poker every day. I see plenty of whales splashing around thousands of dollars on PLO tables. What I do not see are whales splashing around on 1/3 tables. If a guy can stand to lose 200k in the pits what kind of thrill is he gonna get when he steals $4 in blinds or stacks someone for half a blackjack bet?

What I see at 1/3 tables are kids min buying and wearing hoodies and beats.
a whale isn't 200k per year. Not even at the rio. Being willing to lose 200k over the course of a year can easily be 10x 20k trips. Believe me when I tell you, once you hit the end of a 20k credit limit and you only have a few hundred left, 1-2 sounds appealing. Also would explain the overall grumpiness
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04-18-2018 , 08:01 AM
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Believe me when I tell you, once you hit the end of a 20k credit limit and you only have a few hundred left, 1-2 sounds appealing. Also would explain the overall grumpiness
I laughed, but not because it was funny.
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04-18-2018 , 08:58 AM


yeah its never a good feeling. I've done it more than once on night one. I can totally get someone blowing 20-50k and going busto, maxing out the ATM limit, and sitting at the smallest stakes poker game they can find. **** happens.
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04-18-2018 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by TheCanoe


yeah its never a good feeling. I've done it more than once on night one. I can totally get someone blowing 20-50k and going busto, maxing out the ATM limit, and sitting at the smallest stakes poker game they can find. **** happens.


doesn’t feel right until the shame of scarfing down In N Out alone hits either
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04-18-2018 , 03:33 PM
No one wants to be the butt of a joke, especially while they're losing money to 8-9 other strangers. Sometimes you gotta fade the little dumps of dopamine that you get from a well timed zinger on someone, especially while on the clock.
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