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Why I Got Fired from the 2017 WSOP Why I Got Fired from the 2017 WSOP

04-21-2018 , 12:09 AM
Temp worker at the WSOP insults a whale who makes the Rio a lot of money. Yea, not really sure why you were fired...
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04-23-2018 , 01:39 PM
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How did you know this guy was a "high roller for caesers?
If you have a Seven Stars card that means you blow through serious $$ and yeah they'd fire someone versus lose that revenue stream. Diamond card is 15,000 tier credits versus 150,000+ for Seven Stars. It's totally not worth it, speaking from experience. You get the ultimate rooms that you barely have time to stay in cause you're too busy maintaining that 150K yearly trajectory.

They really don't give a **** about the table games players (you "earn" a lot less points doing that) compared to slot players where you're most likely to qualify. You don't earn much for poker either. You do get points for sports betting + buy-in for WSOP events but unless you play slots you don't matter to them (individually) unless you play mind boggling amounts of blackjack or something. It's probably skewed 40-1 to slot players as far as what the casino considers a "Whale" insofar as giving you that card which gives you some minor clout.
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04-23-2018 , 03:50 PM
I don't want my poker dealers to be 'loved' by others at the table or talking a lot or cracking jokes..I want my poker dealers to be like a referee/umpire..do your job correctly, and don't interfere with the game.

The 'personality' should be from the players..not the dealers, or floor staff..
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04-23-2018 , 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Living Abortion
You would be great working in HR.

I feel like HR is something like this:

32 yr old single ladies, with no kids and a BMI of 32% = power trip, bone to pick, soul crushing, rhymes with punt with no sense of humor

you should have been there negative nancy, wasn't thaaaaaaaat bad.
So instead of admitting you did wrong you resort to fat shaming someone with a job as you sit there with no job.

Brilliant.

Maybe if you valued for dealing job just a tad more you wouldn't have done what you did and got fired. Instead of taking stock and taking steps to get another dealing job you blame others.

Have fun flipping burgers at Jacks buddy.
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04-23-2018 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Playlive
So instead of admitting you did wrong you resort to fat shaming someone with a job as you sit there with no job.

Brilliant.
In OP's defense he probably bawled and pleaded for his family while he was in HR, and then dried his eyes and composed himself before swaggering out and declaring, "I told that fat ***** to shove it! High five bro!"
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04-23-2018 , 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by callipygian
In OP's defense he probably bawled and pleaded for his family while he was in HR, and then dried his eyes and composed himself before swaggering out and declaring, "I told that fat ***** to shove it! High five bro!"
nailed it right on the head lol! I actually never spoke to HR, I should have but I didn't. I found a letter in my junk mail from HR (about a week after the series ended) after the incident saying that I needed to speak with them about the incident so that we could clear it up and move forward, and that if I didn't they would have no choice to terminate me. oh well.


the fact that some of you cannot sense sarcasm on the internet is amazing. The level of discernment some of you have in concluding that the way I speak (or type) on an INTERNET FORUM must be the way that I conduct myself 100% of the time in "real" daily life is astounding. I get that the subject matter of my initial post doesn't help the matter, but you get my point.

Fat shaming, lol. really?
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04-23-2018 , 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Living Abortion
from an email from WSOP Management Committee:

"The WSOP Recruiting and Management Teams appreciate your detailed explanation of last years incident. Unfortunately, they have re-affirmed their decision to not offer you the opportunity to deal either at the 2018 World Series of Poker or in the Rio Poker Room.

Good luck in your future endeavors. You are more than welcomed to apply again next year."
Wait. That was a real email you sent to them in the OP?
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04-24-2018 , 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by illdonk
Wait. That was a real email you sent to them in the OP?
that was their response back to me. i applied this year, and hr told me to email the committee giving them an explanation of what sins i committed. hr said i was on some black list for the wsop and had to take it up with the wsop management committee. i had to appeal the situation. i was suspended from the wsop last year and it turned into a firing because i failed to appeal it promptly last year.

after the incident, floor staff told me i was fired when i was actually suspended. HR sent me a letter saying to promptly speak to them about the incident or the suspension would result in termination, but heres the thing, i put my parents colorado address as my mailing address for tax reasons (i'm originally from colorado and moved from colorado and moved from their to vegas) and didn't get the letter until shortly after the series ended when visiting home. so i didn't take care of it and appeal it on time. so i guess that means no more wsop haha.
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04-24-2018 , 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Living Abortion
I get that the subject matter of my initial post doesn't help the matter
Nor do the details you've released since.

lol parents house lol

ETA: why did you reapply this year?
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04-24-2018 , 07:15 AM
OP - will you apply again next year?
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04-24-2018 , 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Living Abortion
I disagree. Jesting with players happens a lot more than you may think. As a dealer you gotta "pick your shots." During the incident, I made a judgement call that obviously didn't turn out in my favor long term. Had any of you been there I'm sure you wouldn't have called for me to lose my job or be saying that you're thankful that I was let go. The table I was dealing to was a mix mostly reg players from out of town, and they all exclaimed after words that Perry was over reacting. They all tipped me extremely well after the incident. Also the next day I was let go and one of the guys I dealt to at the table recognized me and I told him I was let go. He then bought me into a $500 turbo tournament as a means to thank me for my dealing over the summer. Lol. That was pretty cool. He played the main and his buddy cashed for $110k+. They were from India, nice guys.
Being a good dealer doesn't mean the absence of table talk. I play full time now and I would say, "it depends" as far as how I determine if a dealer is good or not. Good dealing mechanics is obviously desirable. If they talk during tournaments that usually annoys me. Cash, especially lower stakes cash, if they talk to players occasionally I have no problem with that, especially if a player strikes up a conversation. As a dealer, I was hustling. I wanted as many tips as possible. $1-3 tables were the best, alot of soft players that wanted to be affirmed. Honestly it was good for me and for the game, those players tended to return despite being losing players and having dealers make friendly conversation that pandered to the table lessened the blow that they were losing. Regs made good money, I made good tips. It's not rocket science. It's the same MO that those half naked black jack dealers with the top hats use to bring people back and make better tips. The only difference is, I can't get half naked. I have to be less overt to "work the room." I can't tell you how many times people still tipped me for winning an $8 pot preflop just because they liked me, or tipped me $25,$30, or $50 on a larger one (never got a blackbird though.) I can honestly say I was probably the 2nd most loved dealer by players in that poker room. But whateva...
The whole passive aggressive part may be true, but not for me during this incident or otherwise. I have seen dealers completely destroy good games. Good dealers know whats good for the game. For example, I would let the table sometimes decide among themselves instead of calling the floor over for minor infractions. This led to happier, less embarrassed players and more tips for letting the players believe they had a semblance of having authority. I had a table ask to do a PLO flip where everyone put in $25 and I would deal a PLO hand face-up to each player and the winner would scoop the pot. If I asked the floor, they would have said no and the players would have been bummed. I told the table with a smirk what the floor would think then did it. The winner tipped me $25 and the table thought I was the "cool dealer." They tipped me well after that as well and the returning players remembered me weeks later and I made a lovely amount off them in tips.
Working a table for tips is like getting laid, or selling a car. The root tactic is the same, the implementation is different for each however. Read the situation and take whatever social line that will get them to like you to do what you want them to do.
That's why I love poker. It's profitable and its predatory. I like that I'm better than you, smarter than you, more educated in game theory, and strat and more disciplined than you. I also like that I can schmooze you, and tell you that you played well or that a hand was standard, though you were leaking EV all day, and you will return to do it all over again. I took that mentality into dealing. I WANT YOUR MONEY, as much as your willing to give me. I'll size up the table, and take whatever line is most advantageous to me getting the most tips. If that means neglecting the Alex Trebek's Cat's of the world to please the other 7 or 8 people at the table then I'm going to do so, which usually isn't the case.
Hi Perry
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04-24-2018 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Living Abortion
that was their response back to me. i applied this year, and hr told me to email the committee giving them an explanation of what sins i committed. hr said i was on some black list for the wsop and had to take it up with the wsop management committee. i had to appeal the situation.
Did you leave out the part where you acknowledged your actions were wrong, apologized and said it won't happen again?
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04-24-2018 , 04:23 PM
Well, I am no mans high roller, but if this had happened to me, where I was the guy who had that happen to me...

I would've laughed.

Everyone has told a joke before that didn't turn out as well as they had hoped. I'm not gonna go get a rope to hang someone for something that every one has done before. (Not this exact scenario, but made a joke or made light of something that turns out the other person didn't think was funny)
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04-24-2018 , 04:42 PM
Serious question..just WHERE does the WSOP and other poker rooms who have big tournament series' in June..ie. The Wynn, the Aria, the Venetian, Planet Hollywood, etc. find all these extra poker dealers?

Do they pluck them straight from dealer school? Do they find them in other parts of the country and bring them to Vegas for the summer?

Or are there so many out of work poker dealers desperate for jobs they are easy to find locally?
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04-24-2018 , 05:34 PM
They say "Auditions start ..." and have no shortage of applicants. They turn people down even.
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04-24-2018 , 06:27 PM
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Did you leave out the part where you acknowledged your actions were wrong, apologized and said it won't happen again?
Nope he didn't it's the fat woman with no life who works in HR who is at fault.
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04-24-2018 , 07:04 PM
that's sick that they'd do that to you, corporate life sucks
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04-24-2018 , 11:36 PM
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Did you leave out the part where you acknowledged your actions were wrong, apologized and said it won't happen again?
yes actually i owed that to them in my email to them. yeah shouldn't have done that.
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04-24-2018 , 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Indynirish
Well, I am no mans high roller, but if this had happened to me, where I was the guy who had that happen to me...

I would've laughed.

Everyone has told a joke before that didn't turn out as well as they had hoped. I'm not gonna go get a rope to hang someone for something that every one has done before. (Not this exact scenario, but made a joke or made light of something that turns out the other person didn't think was funny)
i guess your the only one other than me that feels this way. lol. Perry was asian, as well as me, and maybe it was the age difference and cultural difference as well. I'm 23.
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04-24-2018 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu Ungar
Serious question..just WHERE does the WSOP and other poker rooms who have big tournament series' in June..ie. The Wynn, the Aria, the Venetian, Planet Hollywood, etc. find all these extra poker dealers?

Do they pluck them straight from dealer school? Do they find them in other parts of the country and bring them to Vegas for the summer?

Or are there so many out of work poker dealers desperate for jobs they are easy to find locally?
its actually a little of all of the above, dealers from all over come to vegas and air bnb it for the series then go home, some follow the series.

other are fresh out of dealing school, and some literally get taught the basics and are strategically placed in games and tournaments where their lack of dealing won't get patrons as must up in arms.

people complained ad nauseum during the golden nuggets and wsop's dailies that a larger percentage of dealers had no idea how to run a game. I played in a few last year and one dealer did a down where we literally had to read the board for her at showdown every hand.
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04-24-2018 , 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Playlive
Nope he didn't it's the fat woman with no life who works in HR who is at fault.
do you really believe that i actually believe that, and conduct my outward life as such?

again think about it, we are on an internet forum...

JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE.
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04-25-2018 , 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Living Abortion
So, for the 2017 WSOP there was dealers needed in the RIO poker room, not the Amazon room, or the Pavilion. I was sentenced to dealing the Rio's normal poker room dealing mostly $1-3 and $2-5 cash and doing small buy in daily tournament downs that ranged from $40-80.

Their were maybe 20-25 dealers staffed in that room during the WSOP. So being 2nd wasn't a long shot FOR THAT ROOM, lol.
Reread the bolded part, you think no one noticed ?
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04-25-2018 , 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Gzesh
Reread the bolded part, you think no one noticed ?
I assume you are eluding to idea that the WSOP wasn't short for dealers that year? If you are meaning something else then please describe what esoteric meaning you meant for me to notice. If you are meaning to elude to the WSOP's staffing problem, then I'll address that.

When hired, I was told by the floor manager, that the WSOP was short by 250 dealers that year. It wasn't uncommon knowledge.
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04-25-2018 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Living Abortion
I assume you are eluding to idea that the WSOP wasn't short for dealers that year? If you are meaning something else then please describe what esoteric meaning you meant for me to notice. If you are meaning to elude to the WSOP's staffing problem, then I'll address that.

When hired, I was told by the floor manager, that the WSOP was short by 250 dealers that year. It wasn't uncommon knowledge.
Nothing "esoteric" about it. You consider a job providing customer services to poker players in the Rio poker room as some sort of "sentence".

You have no attitude compatible with providing services to th Rio poker players, sorry.
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04-25-2018 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Living Abortion
I assume you are eluding to idea that the WSOP wasn't short for dealers that year? If you are meaning something else then please describe what esoteric meaning you meant for me to notice. If you are meaning to elude to the WSOP's staffing problem, then I'll address that.

When hired, I was told by the floor manager, that the WSOP was short by 250 dealers that year. It wasn't uncommon knowledge.
His point alluded you.
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