So is there a limit that you would say above which is unreasonable?

Like if someone were to jump in and say they knew someone who made $500k, or $1 million, or $5 million, what's the point that you would say is unreasonable?

Because with the amount of money people keep claiming can be spent or laundered (which I still contest but that's later in the post), I'm wondering if there's any upper limit for your imaginayions.

Like for me, $100k is reasonable, it's like +1.5 sigma from the national average but whatever. $125k over 6 months with 6 months off is like a consultant or someone who works in a boom-bust industry like construction.

$200k and reporting less than 100 means an insane amount of spending (or saving, but I think everyone agrees now money isn't significantly being saved or squirreled away in tax shelters). And while spending thay much CAN be done, I'm not sure it is widely done. Maybe concurrent with the fact that these girls are exceptional to get hired is that they're exceptional spenders. But that's pretty contrived, you're extrapolating to exceptional levels of spending just to justify exceptional levels of earnings, and the simpler explanation is they neither make that much nor spend thay much.

In poker terms, it'd be like saying it's easy to lose $1,000/night. It's certainly easy, even for winners, and especially for bigger games. But to extrapolate that and say someone's dropping $300k/year at the table is foolish.

Shopping above a certain level starts creating structural problems (and this I'm not extrapolating at all). My wife had a mild shopping habit and the intervention point was not when we started to run out of room to store it but when she resorted to reselling unused stuff on eBay, which led to sleep deprivation because she stayed up every night just to manage an insane number of auctions. My wife's friend had a different problem, simply running out of stuff to buy because she literally bought everything in a store she wanted. So yeah, I recognize there can be some amazing amounts of spending, but it's capped by structural issues, like it's hard to fit $150k worth of stuff into a $50k living space, and your living space has to roughly match your reported income.

Maybe it goes to drugs. Maybe it goes to personal security if they're walking out of the club with $10k in cash every week. Maybe it goes to kickbacks to the people who hired them. Maybe they spend it on nonphysical items like staying at the Aria every night. But it's not as simple as saying "well shoes are expensive and lol women lol shoes."

The only bottle service girl that I knew personally had a 10 Roxies a Day habit. Add the adderrall & xanax that she was taking to balance that all out, you're talking $300/day on pills alone. Add in her apt right off the strip for about $2k a month, her $1000/week slot habit, and all the "stunting for the (insta)gram" and you have a 6-figure earner living check to check until she went busto and had to leave town.

Never underestimate how many people are on drugs and have some sort of addiction in this town.

You don't want to wait in line. So you either get a table or you pay the bouncer for a line pass. Sorry if my wording was ambiguous.

Just to be clear, we are talking about standard "premium" liquor like Belvedere, Grey Goose,Tanqueray or Johnnie Walker Black Label and champagne like Veuve Yellow Label or Moet Brut Imperial. The fancy stuff like Johnnie Walker Blue Label or Louis Roederer champagne is way more expensive. One thing I will never understand: Mixers like Coke are included, but you have to pay extra for Red Bull. That's just greedy.

Call,

I have no idea why you keep bringing things up like national average. We're talking about an environment where a top dj can make $500k in one night playing music for a few hours at a club. And where some people spend $25k, $100k, or even much more for one night out.

I don't know any bottle service/hostesses/cocktail waitresses who make $500k+, but I've known one who made $350k. So I'd make my judgment as to what is reasonable based on each individual situation, sections worked, how tips are pooled at that place, etc. And it's not hard to extrapolate from what people are making at certain price/volume bars and clubs to different ones.

I used to be good friends with a girl who stripped one weekend a month. She made ~$5k/month doing that. And she could have made a lot more if she took guys up on offers for extras etc. Lots of people make a lot more money than you realize.

And the women I know who buy crazy amounts of clothes and shoes don't keep them all, they are constantly getting rid of "old" stuff (in quotes because it is often barely worn).

I am not sure why I'm even responding, as you seem completely unwilling to accept that there's a whole world going on that doesn't match the reality of what you personally have experienced.

They also charge you an arm and a leg for bottled water which pisses me off

You just summed it up. This guy is literally incapable of entertaining realities outside of what he deems possible. To him, these girls make something like $100k max and they report almost all of it in taxes. Why? Because that's just how it is based on his BS assumptions.

Let him live in his fantasy and stop feeding the troll. I feel like I'm getting sucked into his crazy stunted way of thinking and I'm losing IQ points every time I read one of his posts.

That's the thing. I've been to enough Vegas clubs that I know people dropping 100k is (a) possible and (b) rare. I've sat in the Louboutin store long enough that I know purchases of $5k shoes are (a) possible and (b) rare. So when the estimation of the entire bottle service economy relies on "well people drop 100k at the club" and "well people drop 5k on shoes" and it's a case of an elite group of earners protected from labor arbitrage by personal connections, and if people with actual numbers like tax returns post they're wrong because this is an elite group of spenders who universally commit massive tax fraud, it smells funny.

I've also been in enough tipping threads and winrate threads to know that a lot of outlier data is frequently presented as the norm. Restaurant servers tell stories about how people tip 25-50%, blackjack players make grandiose claims about printing money, but when I'm the one correcting credit card tip charges at the end of the day or when I'm reading someone's lawsuit deposition in a blackjack-related case, a far more banal story emerges.

Maybe bottle service earnings are the exception.

Call,

Jobs like bottle service girl at marquee/xs/hakkasan/etc or pool party waitress at whatever the current hot spots are some of the most coveted and highly fought for jobs in Vegas, precisely because they make so much more money than most comparable jobs. Not sure why you're having so much trouble getting that.

As for the rarity of the bottle service economy, the top Vegas nightclubs gross in the neighborhood of $100M revenue annually. Do the math.

As for high-end shoe purchases, I'm no expert, but I can anecdotally tell you that women with money buying very expensive shoes is the farthest thing from rare. And Google tells me Christian louboutin alone sells $300M in shoes a year. That's just one high-end brand, and just some fraction of the total retail spend on their shoes. So someone's buying a lot of expensive shoes.

You must not know many gamblers (or bartenders or various other professions where cash is common) if you think most people making their money primarily in cash report all (or almost all) of it as income.

I can tell that none of the people replying in this thread are actually women, because it is laughable to me that anyone can argue (ahem, calli) that it would be soooo hard for a hot woman to spend soooo much money without having a lot of physical excess "stuff".

You all think that these women just look hot naturally or something, but let me tell you to look that good it takes a lot of time and yes, lots and lots of money. Basic female maintenance is expensive. I don't make nearly as much as these women (and am probably not as hot), but I just spent about $400 in the last 24 hours without even really trying. Just went out to eat a few times ($50), got some gas ($40) groceries ($75), a mani/pedi ($75) dry cleaning/tailor ($100) a little shopping for basic work clothes/ essentials ($100)

And I could have spend 5x more on all these things if I didn't care how much everything costs. Examples of things women can and do spend $$ on, basic maintenance stuff:

Hair salon: for an average cut/color, about $200, but at high end salons could be $300-500, per month, or every six weeks.

Nail salon- $80-$150, every 1-2 weeks

Waxing: depends where and how much you want removed, but let's say just bikini and eyebrows: $150/ month

Makeup, skin and hair products- there really is no limit on this one. I can go into Sephora and spend $100 on 2-3 items, women who love to pack it on can spend $1k per month easily.

Fitness: I've never had a personal trainer, but I'm sure you can drop $100-$200 per hour on one, maybe $1k a month. Or if you want to join a yoga or Pilates studio it's like $150-$200 a month. Hell, we have so much cash, why not do both?

Cosmetic enhancements: yeah, some of the surgeries are one-time expenses, but these women start doing Botox and lip injections regularly in their early 20's. And you have to keep doing it or it wears off. Just wildly guessing $200/month.

Spa/massage/facials: if I had the money I'd get skin treatments and massage at least once a week- easily $1k/month.

I know y'all love talking about drug habits, but maybe some of these women also have kids or other people they take care of? Easy to spend cash on food, medical stuff, childcare, etc.

And this is all monthly expenses that won't go away. I'm sure there are many more that just haven't crossed my mind at this moment.

But yeah, a woman could easily walk into a designer boutique and buy 5k worth of underwear that could fit into a handbag. Space is not an issue, and neither is "running out of stuff to spend money on." Lol

Because not every bottle service girl works at whatever the club of the month is.

I bet the bartender at Hakkasan makes way more than the bartender at Excalibur. So when someone asks about how much a bartender makes, the answer is not just about the guy who racks up a $50,000 tab at Hakkasan.

Did you play on Pokerstars as Kitty Viola and a Commerce logo as your avatar?

No, but damn, that means someone else shares my super awesome alter-identity. Coincidentally I do live in LA now, but I didn't back when I played on stars.

And I would never advertise for Commerce, that place is the worst.

What's wrong with it?

Aesthetics of a warehouse filled with poker tables....rude players...corrupt floormen...

Why is it such a popular poker room? Every time I check out Bravo, Commerce's got tons of games of types going. Is it the location?

Build it and they will come, I suppose.... central location, the most poker tables in the world. Lots of rude people live in LA, and I guess they like playing there. Lots of rich people nearby who like having corrupt floormen they can bribe.

Let's not derail, guys. Everything Chillrob said, plus I could add more.

But the topic here is young, hot bottle service women and how they make so much cash they can't possibly figure out how to spend it all without buying a bunch of cars and PlayStation games that would fill up their giant Vegas house in no time.

Anyway, it doesn't really matter what you do with the extra cash until you get audited.

PS, I'm sure some of them are not idiots and pay (most) of their taxes and buy a bunch of real estate with the money instead of all the handbags and blow.

Will an audit catch a girl who spends her unreported cash income on clothing, bags, shoes, etc? Assuming the girl doesn't leave paper trails and keeps a low profile.

And sometimes I forget how easy life can be for young hot girls. They get to spend their youth partying and earning more than most jobs out of grad school. They can be set for life before they even worry about settling down as long as they don't blow away their money. And this is all done without providing any "extra" services.

The reason asked my qeustion was the issue of exactly how widespread you think it is.

Whoa whoa whoa, is that a trace of realism I detect?

See, ultimately, it comes down to whether you believe bottle service girls are a small, exceptional group, or whether they're represented by a broader, more general group.

If they as a group are small and exceptional, I can believe they would have unusual earning and spending habits.

If they're not, you can't think any significant number of women spend like this. Take the $300 M number that El Diablo cited. It sounds big, but if we assume they sold nothing on the Internet or through third parties, and only through their 60 stores, that's $100k/week at a store. And if we assume there are 500 bottle service girls and they are the only ones who shop at the store, that's $200/week. Over 20 designers like Louboutin, that'd be the $4,000/week. So while I'm sure SOME people spend $4k/week on high end shoes, and maybe bottle service girls disproportionately do so, to think that a large percentage of women do it is ridiculous.

I don't know why I keep checking this thread time after time. The stupidity ITT is like a bad car crash. You shouldn't look but you can't look away

This isn't shocking at all.
Think about how bad most people are with money. Then think about how much worse 20 years olds are. Then give them tons of cash,put them in a town with degens in an industry where appearance is everything and you realize how easy it is for them to easily blow 6 figures in a year while barely realizing it.Most people spend money as fast as they get it. If they get more they just spend more. Things like cars are traceable but tons of things they'll buy aren't.

These aren't smart people trying to figure out how to sneak money into the system to buy stock and real estate.You don't have to be a genius to have cash it Vegas and blow most of it with no trace.

sure. and some nfl players don't go broke.

and calli they don't have to spend 4k a week on shoes to piss away tons of money.they can dump 100k easy on nonsense in a year without even trying.nobody is talking about them doing that in a day or weekend.

Call,


Wtf are you talking about? Who is saying anything about a large percentage of women spending $200k/yr on shoes? You're just writing random irrelevant stuff now. Beginning to think you're just trying to see how outlandish stuff you can write and still get some kind of serious response.

I did say that

There's one more difference between most women and the ones in the nightlife industry. If you work a regular 9/5 job, you just don't have time to go to the spa 3-5 times a week but mostly limit that to the weekend. On the other hand, if you get up at 1PM and have 10 hours to spend before your shift starts, you might be much more inclined to do all kinds of time consuming things like getting a hair cut, manicure, pedicure or shopping.

girls arrive way before 11pm