Love your TRs. I'm not sure how this result is evidence that the single ace is the best play though...

Sorry, I should have been more clear- it's the best play when it's the best play even when it might not be intuitive to some. Eg, two off suit high cards is better than one (even though you lose the chsnce at a royal). But if given an ace and an off suit high card, you keep only the ace (bc of the minuscule chance of something like what I made happening).

In regards to Double-Double..

What would your play be, say on a hand of Ax Kc Jc Xx Xx ?

I would tend to hold the Kc Jc instead of the Ace.

Not sure if mathematically that is the correct play, since the Ace value is high in double double.

Any thoughts?

Just look it up on wizard of odds

Nope Doc Leon is the one stop source for getting answers to mundane VP strat questions!

http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-...hand-analyzer/

Good luck Leon! Your trip reports really are spectacular. Time for lots o'kickers ��

End of Day 1, part of Day 2

OMG. It's been a crazy day or so. There's so much to write up that I'm going to split this into sections to make sure I can remember all the details.

My parents finish up their errands pretty quickly, and we head back to the Wynn to play for a couple of hours before dinner at Lakeside (seafood and other excellent dishes).

I run colder than ice and proceed to give back all of my winnings at that point, plus another 4K. Every trip draw misses. Every two pair fails to turn into a full house. Normally, I don't sweat two pair draws (since the best it can turn into is a full, 45 credits), but you DO need the FH to come in every once and a while just to stay alive. NOTHING. I must have lost 5K+ in less than 2 hours. Dinner can't come soon enough and I'm thoroughly on tilt now.



Entrance to Lakeside.



Overlooking the escalators down to Lakeside and SW steakhouse.

I go with the fries, creamed spinach and Wagyu strip from next door (SW steakhouse). My parents get a huge plate of king crab (I think 5 lbs).



They're just fries, but they're always well done.



Creamed spinach. Meh.



Wagyu strip. It was decent, but I prefer the preparation at Mizumi.



The king crab plate. This was the highlight of the meal. The crab was perfectly prepared, almost falling out of the shell. It was the easiest thing in the world to eat and we couldn't finish it with all the other food.

After, we gamble for a bit. I can't hit anything and lose another 1K. I am officially scared.

End day 1 result- -6.5K

Part of Day 2

I wake up before 6am, OF COURSE, from a combo of Vegas fever and the dry air. The plan today is to hit the Wynn, take my mom to the airport (she's leaving today, dad and I are staying until Sunday), then hit the gym to train. I diligently stretch and perform all my basic rehab exercises which I despise but are necessary. We make it to the Wynn around 9am and I feel like I've accomplished something.

The machines are decent and I'm positive, but I can't seem to catch the big one...



Again with no kicker! At this point I must have made 4 aces at least 6 times, all without a kicker. I stopped counting and taking pics at some point. It's like taking a picture of the bat they use to beat you with.



Here come the irrelevant dealt quads! Same chance to be dealt KKKK as AAAA, 2222, 3333, or 4444. It even gave me an ace kicker to start (which I dumped). Call the tax man, minimal handpay... sigh.

The good news is I'm feeding in 100$ bills and cashing out 200-500$ tickets pretty routinely. Then, I finally get something meaningful...



It's time to take mom to the airport. I leave the AM session only stuck a bit from yesterday's debacle. I drop her off and made a game-time decision to put the gym off until tomorrow. Basically, training Sat is a no go b/c of the timing of the VP tournament. So, it was either train W-F or Th-F. I've got all my and my dad's stuff in the car and we have yet to check in, and without the room I don't want to leave him hanging for a few hours, so I go straight back to the Wynn. Thank god I did.



Our suite is a two bedroom deal; my side seems to be a standard room, not that I care.




Dad's side is a little nicer, with a separate bedroom and a bathroom that is simply excess personified.



Entrance to the room, with wet bar on the side.



Main living area.



Master bed.



Master bath with 1, 2, 3 sinks! WTF. How many people could be in there that you need 3 sinks but only 1 toilet? So LOL.

My dad and I order room service. I try and keep it light and get a chicken caesar salad while my dad gets a roast beef sandwich. I don't even bother taking pics. The salad is fine, but my dad's sandwich is dry, and they forgot the basics like mayo. Weak. My dad decides he doesn't want any more of that nonsense and we go down to play. We have dinner at 6pm at Mizumi.

On the way down the hall, my dad forgets his phone... I turn around and go get it for him. Why are these details important? Remember, everything and every event had to line up just so for X to happen...

I decide to hang with my dad and watch him play. I suggested that we team up (so I can reduce my exposure), but we've generally had bad results doing that and my dad is reluctant. I tell him that he's being results-oriented but he wants to play 25 lines, 1$ credit (so 125$/push), which is too big for me anyways. If I took a piece of his action I'd probably only get 20%, so if he hit a royal my share would be 800$. Forget it, I'll just watch him.



About 10 min in, he gets dealt this. AGAIN with the dealt kings? Where the F are the aces? I mean, that's great and all, but this could go fast and both of us know it.



They take forever to pay him and unlock the machine. I move a few machines down and play a bit of double double bonus. 5 hands in, he starts calling my name and I come over to have a look...

It's just a little bigger than the previous hand.


To be continued...

****. Need update like air.

I've never played multi-line. So is it for every hand, at the bottom, you hold certain cards, and then you get five total chances for those draws? It's like running it five times? On every hand?

Is that an option for each game (you are playing Triple double?). Or could you play triple-double with one line. sorry for the beginner questions.

Just wanted to pop in and say I've really enjoyed your trip reports Leon. Thanks for sharing and glad there are a few more days of the current one left to enjoy.

They offer the games in single or multi-line or you could play just a single line even if the game offers multi.

Its a little different than running it multiple times in a Hold'em game, on multi line poker games, each draw is done from a new 47 card deck(full deck - the 5 cards you were dealt). So if you get dealt 3 aces and hit the fourth on 1 draw you can still draw the fourth A on another draw since it is a fresh deck, where as in a Holdem poker game when it is run multiple times it uses the same deck, so if you flop a set and on the first run turn quads, you can not hit quads on a future run out of the turn/river.

Multi-lines are more fun in my experience but as leon has explained it increases variance. It focuses on the strength of the hands you are dealt, it's great when you get dealt lots of pat hands or big draws such as trips or 4 to a royal as you have multiple chances to hit it (positive variance), the negative variance comes into play when you get dealt bad hands such as T9632 rainbow.
Long term the payout percentage remains the same but the variance can be a roller coaster.

Not a VP player but your TRs are fantastic.

Dying to read about the big hand...

I personally have never played VP but reading your TR makes me want to try it.........sick I love those pics!

Be warned - mere mortals do not make hands like OP and his dad. The big hands showed itt exceed all the big hands I've gotten in my life.

Yes, exactly like running it 3, 5, 10 etc times, except each time you run it it comes from a new deck, independent of the last draw (so if you pull A23 spades on the first draw, they ARE available for the subsequent draws, eg NOT removed).

I've seen single and multiline options for essentially every version of VP out there. Never all of them in one place, though.

LOL you can amend that to read "just my dad". I make hands but I put in a ton of volume to do so. Been cold as ice for basically the last 6 months at my home casino; last trip here was great, however, and this one remains promising...

Great trip report so far. Just curious but do you do any tracking of your overall play & hours?

I wonder if it's possible to be +EV (including comps) with the type of volume you put in.

LOVING the Wynn pic porn & VP porn. I wish you did this every week. I wish *I* did this every week. I wish I could catch quad Ks on the draw. I wish I had gone to the gym more when I was younger instead of now. I wish I could read the next installment of your TR ...

This quickly became the lost verse of an R. Kelly song.

No, I just track the money. I suppose if I wanted to I could ask my host to tell me the specific coin-in, and total up the sum of the comps as well. Even that wouldn't give me a true answer though, since meals with my parents are often on their comp, and my host "upscales" me a bit due to the association with my dad.

Day 2, continued.

OK, get ready for it. 25 lines.



Sorry for the blurry pic, my hand was probably shaking from excitement. Doesn't do it justice. That's 4 aces w/kicker, 25 ways. DEALT.

Total value =



Holy mother of god. So apparently and unbeknownst to me, when I moved over to the other machine and my dad got paid, he stepped up to 2$ credits. So that's 8000$ per line. 8000 x 25 = 200,000.

So the reason I mentioned all those earlier details is b/c we know the VP machines constantly shuffle. What you get is the result of the exact millisecond you push the button. Think of all the randomness that needed to line up for this to happen.

Obviously I'm ecstatic for my dad; even the staff was going crazy; they've seen him donk off plenty of money over the years, and a 5 figure hit is NBD at the Wynn, but a 6 figure hit still can get them talking. My dad gives me 10% (I think bc he felt bad that he didn't formally partner with me), which I humbly and graciously accept. My plan is to give the wife a nice 10K present no matter what. Now I'M instantly up 5 figures as well.

Let's let that marinate a bit. I'll finish off day 2 later.

Achievement unlocked- Holy Grail found!

Jesus ****ing christ.

The amount of human fluid that is going to be involuntarily expelled by people reading that post will only be rivaled by a sleep away camp of 14 year old boys wet dreaming at the same time

Woooooooo! Awesome, congrats to both you and your dad!!!!! Tell your dad to invest 10% to poker players Pucksters fund!

Legit, reading this update made my whole day!!!!