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03-02-2021 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by foatie
If you're a video keno/video poker degen, the local bars in the better neighborhoods are great places to spew. I swear the machines are looser than the strip, and the bartenders will usually be friendly enough to answer whatever questions you have. Because of the bartenders and the proximity to a place that I lived for 2 years, I loved grabbing a few drinks at the Born And Raised on warm springs/durango, this other Video Poker Pub about a 1/2 mile south on Durango (the name escapes me), and the PTS pub on Fort Apache and Valley View.

It's a good 20-25 min ride from the strip, but it's great views, and you can always pregame there before a ride put to Red Rock or you can double back to the strip down Blue Diamond to Silverton. You then have the option to head north to the strip or take a 5-7 min ride south to South Point.

South Point is a locals fave and even if you are not a bowler, you have to take the long walk to the Tournament Bowling arena (not the Bowling alley). When there's a professional or high level amateur tournament going on in there, it's a very impressive spectacle.
South Point: Good for rodeo events onsite also.

Finally, the largest size "standard" hotel rooms in Las Vegas
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03-02-2021 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperSwag
Pompskie's videos on circus circus are pretty interesting. I had no idea there was a circus circus in reno until I watched one of his videos. Also he got banned from Cosmo because apparently it is illegal to bring "professional" video equipment onto their property. They raided his room and kicked him out.
They let him back in and comped him a huge suite. He has a video about it.
https://youtu.be/mF0BDswxAKE
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03-02-2021 , 07:18 PM
I was at south point on sunday at 8am for some eats (corned beef ruben at the deli) and there were 6 tables of poker going and a line to get in.
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03-02-2021 , 07:18 PM
of course, NEARLY everyone was over 60 years old...
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03-02-2021 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MSchu18
of course, NEARLY everyone was over 60 years old...

Im before 60 and god I wish I was there.
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03-02-2021 , 09:43 PM
I love that deli. I always grab a pepperoni, egg, and cheese on an everything bagel + a black and white cookie to go.
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03-09-2021 , 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by CowboyCold
There was a really cool thread from back in 2015 that I did find but all of the pic links are broken.

However, the OP gave credit for all of the pics to https://vintagelasvegas.com/.

If you are into old school Las Vegas, definitely worth checking out.

I’ve subscribed to the there Instagram page, good stuff there. Lot of the same stuff but I like it over the Tumblr page.

https://www.instagram.com/vintage_las_vegas/?hl=en

OP sorry for continuing this derail.
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03-09-2021 , 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by foatie
I love that deli. I always grab a pepperoni, egg, and cheese on an everything bagel + a black and white cookie to go.
Whenever a black and white cookie gets mentioned anywhere, I always think of that Seinfeld episode where he uses the cookie to discuss racial harmony.
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03-09-2021 , 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Da_Nit
I’ve subscribed to the there Instagram page, good stuff there. Lot of the same stuff but I like it over the Tumblr page.

https://www.instagram.com/vintage_las_vegas/?hl=en

OP sorry for continuing this derail.
Meh, derail away!

I want this thread to lead to fun/interesting topics and I have a small vintage Vegas collection of items so that topic certainly qualifies.
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03-09-2021 , 02:43 PM
Most old sports bettors know the Stardust was the first big Sports Book in LV. Anybody know which casino built the next big sports book after that?
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03-09-2021 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerHero77
Most old sports bettors know the Stardust was the first big Sports Book in LV. Anybody know which casino built the next big sports book after that?

I think actually the Castaways was the first strip casino or maybe any casino with a book. That being said it was called, “The Hole In The Wall”, so yes you are correct that the Stardust was the first big book.

I’d imagine the second was the old International/ LV Hilton or whatever it’s called now. That or Caesars.

Some good write ups from Nolan Dalla’s site.


https://www.nolandalla.com/castaways-las-vegas/

Also a good write up on a great little dump called Little Caesar’s. That looks like my kind of place, quarter craps and a solid book. Put a stud table in the corner and I’d never leave. Also check the comments, there’s a great post from Alan Boston.

https://www.nolandalla.com/remembering-little-caesars/

I would’ve of loved to see those old turf clubs like Churchill Downs and Leroys before they all closed. Just don’t be there when Nicky Santaro shows up.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0EOHCnnzW_4
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03-09-2021 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Da_Nit

Also a good write up on a great little dump called Little Caesar’s. That looks like my kind of place, quarter craps and a solid book. Put a stud table in the corner and I’d never leave.
In 1982, Little Caesar’s was where Bob ‘The Polish Maverick’ Stupak made the first ever legal million dollar sports bet on the 49ers-Bengals Super Bowl, which he won..
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03-09-2021 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu Ungar
In 1982, Little Caesar’s was where Bob ‘The Polish Maverick’ Stupak made the first ever legal million dollar sports bet on the 49ers-Bengals Super Bowl, which he won..

Yup that place took a bunch of action.
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03-10-2021 , 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Da_Nit
Great post PokerHero. Thanks
Ditto!
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03-10-2021 , 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Stu Ungar
In 1982, Little Caesar’s was where Bob ‘The Polish Maverick’ Stupak made the first ever legal million dollar sports bet on the 49ers-Bengals Super Bowl, which he won..
I played BJ at Little Caesar's with fake ID, I got kicked out not because of the ID but because I was quickly ahead like $200 playing $25 BJ, they started burning multiple cards mid shoe and even changing dealers after 15 minutes. My friend was up like $500.

They asked us to leave. lol
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03-10-2021 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by parisron
I played BJ at Little Caesar's with fake ID, I got kicked out not because of the ID but because I was quickly ahead like $200 playing $25 BJ, they started burning multiple cards mid shoe and even changing dealers after 15 minutes. My friend was up like $500.

They asked us to leave. lol

Sweating that action, what was the table min, $1?
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03-10-2021 , 02:09 PM
Too long ago to remember. It is possible it was another **** hole place at that time, but I for sure remember playing there on the trip.
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03-10-2021 , 07:44 PM
The next big sports book after Stardust was at Circus Circus, 1976. Circus Circus book was located inside the casino, similar to Stardust. Prior to 1976 books were not allowed within casinos per Nevada Gaming Control regulations.

The Circus Circus book was about half size of the Stardust book, which at the time was massive. I should say "race and sports" because at the time horse betting was the dominant money changer.

For some reason (Circus Circus was next to Stardust so maybe Lefty did not like the competition) about a year later the Circus Circus book was closed and became an extension of the casino space. A new, smaller book was put in a few years later. Eventually, a very large book was built in the new tower across the street.

Sports wagering grew in Nevada in the mid-70s when the feds reduced the interstate wagering tax from 10% to 2%. This tax had to be paid by bettors (race and sports) up front. So, a $2 win ticket cost the bettor $2.20. To show their sincerity the books absorbed the new 2% tax. This tax was later reduced to 0.25%. By the early 80s most casinos had their own books in house. Some succeeded, but many failed due either to poor management or lack of betting volume. Over time casinos figured out that independent bookmaking was not very profitable, so those that were able to network across their properties, such as MGM-Mirage and Stations survived.
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03-10-2021 , 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Da_Nit
I think actually the Castaways was the first strip casino or maybe any casino with a book. That being said it was called, “The Hole In The Wall”, so yes you are correct that the Stardust was the first big book.

I’d imagine the second was the old International/ LV Hilton or whatever it’s called now. That or Caesars.

Some good write ups from Nolan Dalla’s site.


https://www.nolandalla.com/castaways-las-vegas/

Also a good write up on a great little dump called Little Caesar’s. That looks like my kind of place, quarter craps and a solid book. Put a stud table in the corner and I’d never leave. Also check the comments, there’s a great post from Alan Boston.

https://www.nolandalla.com/remembering-little-caesars/

I would’ve of loved to see those old turf clubs like Churchill Downs and Leroys before they all closed. Just don’t be there when Nicky Santaro shows up.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0EOHCnnzW_4
Little Caesars was a trip, lol. Decor was on a par with Foxey's Firehouse at the other end of the Strip.

Places like the string of Leroy's locations simply grew up, becoming American Wagering, as it launched a number of book locations located in casinos along the Strip, downtown , bars etc, and off-Strip.
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03-11-2021 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Gzesh
Little Caesars was a trip, lol. Decor was on a par with Foxey's Firehouse at the other end of the Strip.

Places like the string of Leroy's locations simply grew up, becoming American Wagering, as it launched a number of book locations located in casinos along the Strip, downtown , bars etc, and off-Strip.

Little Cesar’s definitely seems like my kind of dump.

Another fun read on the place.

http://www.lvstriphistory.com/ie/paris.htm

Interesting video from a guy that got his first craps gig there. Around 5 minutes in he talks about how they had the dealers come in to lay used carpet from the 4 Queens.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WScVYKEGv-8&t=0s

Another video.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iSu-DKi_KIk

Last edited by Da_Nit; 03-11-2021 at 12:14 PM.
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03-11-2021 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Gzesh

Places like the string of Leroy's locations simply grew up, becoming American Wagering, as it launched a number of book locations located in casinos along the Strip, downtown , bars etc, and off-Strip.
I remember not that long ago, less than 10 years ago a few places downtown used Leroy’s as there book operator. I think the Plaza and maybe Fitzgerald’s/The D used Leroy’s line. I remembering liking there lines a lot more than most of the strip joints. 4 Queens and Binion’s had the Cal Neva line out of Reno. Downtown was a great place to shop lines before William Hill bought out these books. The British Invasion of sports books stinks.

In this clip from Casino, Nicky walks into a turf club called Leroy’s. Wonder if this was shot in Leroy’s downtown spot where they filmed a lot the movie. What a fun looking dove full of degens.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0EOHCnnzW_4

Last edited by Da_Nit; 03-11-2021 at 12:18 PM.
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03-11-2021 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerHero77
The next big sports book after Stardust was at Circus Circus, 1976. Circus Circus book was located inside the casino, similar to Stardust. Prior to 1976 books were not allowed within casinos per Nevada Gaming Control regulations.

The Circus Circus book was about half size of the Stardust book, which at the time was massive. I should say "race and sports" because at the time horse betting was the dominant money changer.

For some reason (Circus Circus was next to Stardust so maybe Lefty did not like the competition) about a year later the Circus Circus book was closed and became an extension of the casino space. A new, smaller book was put in a few years later. Eventually, a very large book was built in the new tower across the street.

Sports wagering grew in Nevada in the mid-70s when the feds reduced the interstate wagering tax from 10% to 2%. This tax had to be paid by bettors (race and sports) up front. So, a $2 win ticket cost the bettor $2.20. To show their sincerity the books absorbed the new 2% tax. This tax was later reduced to 0.25%. By the early 80s most casinos had their own books in house. Some succeeded, but many failed due either to poor management or lack of betting volume. Over time casinos figured out that independent bookmaking was not very profitable, so those that were able to network across their properties, such as MGM-Mirage and Stations survived.

Wow no idea about the CC book, great information. Wonder if they simply closed because they weren’t getting any action with the massive Stardust book next door. Sad I never got a chance to go in there. I read the book,
The Odds: One Season, Three Gamblers, and the Death of Their Las Vegas. Great book heavily centered around the old Stardust book.

Biggest mistake Boyd Casinos ever made was closing the Stardust to half build a massive new property, what a money dump.
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03-12-2021 , 02:33 AM
Friends and I will be in town next weekend and want to find a place on Saturday to watch basketball- but we generally try to find local dives to hang at. What’s a local standalone dive (think PTs but not a chain) that’s got food and enough screens to catch most of the games? Within a ~$25 Uber of center strip would be nice but not a dealbreaker.
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03-12-2021 , 02:45 AM
Why not just go to Westgate.
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03-12-2021 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by shaft88
Friends and I will be in town next weekend and want to find a place on Saturday to watch basketball- but we generally try to find local dives to hang at. What’s a local standalone dive (think PTs but not a chain) that’s got food and enough screens to catch most of the games? Within a ~$25 Uber of center strip would be nice but not a dealbreaker.

Gobboboy who had a food review site liked Sporting Life.

https://www.sportinglifebar.com
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