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01-29-2020 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Dreamer
Go play BJ and stiff her on tips ;-)
She was a poker dealer. And she always got a big tip .... Much more than just the tip.

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01-29-2020 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Dreamer
You were in no position to be picky. FWIW most jobs pay more than that.

I have to agree with Dreamer here. OP didn’t want to adjust to “any” job. OP didn’t want to adjust to the backer. OP didn’t want to adjust to taking the bus to save on the ridiculous Uber leak.

Now OP has to adjust to eastern winters again. OP made a choice, just didn’t know it at the time.
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01-29-2020 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
there is a stark difference between defending OPs decisions and having a realistic discussion about what his previous career could do for him now. his previous careers industry has basically flat lined and he is of an age where employers are less willing to hire for many jobs.

are you also one of those people who sees a homeless person and complains that they 'should just get jobs'? because it certainly seems like that is what you're doing here.
Oh come on, did you not read what the OP said.

He worked only 520 hours last year. He was not homeless and said the following...
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2) You're right. I should have gotten a crappy job but I have an ego and I am an elitist and I don't wanna work at Wal-Mart.
So you are saying he should just go broke rather than take a job that he feels is beneath him.
Is that OK?

Yet Nolan Dalla, who I'm guessing is infinitely more qualified in multiple areas took on a LYFT job because he needed the money.

Stop attacking the messenger and read the message.
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01-29-2020 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ibelieveyouoweme$80k
Yes I did. They are mostly scams ... They charge a fee to register

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Really?, so all these people on youtube who work remotely are just in on the scam......

I'm sorry, I don't think you can be helped.
You seem set in your ways and like making excuses for everything.

I sincerely wish you the best.
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01-29-2020 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Gzesh
I can take that thought further.... it is not just poker pros.

I think a fair estimate among all new hires/relocated persons is that over 10% will go off the deep end within 6 - 9 months. There are 24/7 available bars, gambling, clubs, liquor stores, dispensaries, fast food, commercial sex, something-for-nothing hustlers, grifters, and such all over the place..... and no rails on the bumper cars.

It is also difficult to predict which 10% from among seemingly stable newbies. Las Vegas is good at exposing and exploiting latent weaknesses in all those areas.... poker is just one area available.

Las Vegas can be a tough town for newbies without stable family or freind relationships.


This was my point. It had nothing to do with poker, OP simply wasn’t in a great position for success and did himself few favors, and it didn’t work out. But that’s not Vegas’ fault. It’s not a place everyone can live and thrive, nothing wrong with that, doesn’t make people it didn’t work out for any less.

I think it’s pretty silly that when someone fails out of school they are almost exclusively blamed and not the institution. When people fail Vegas, Vegas is almost exclusively blamed and everyone gets on board to excuse the person who went “cause it’s Vegas” which is bull.
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01-29-2020 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Natamus
This was my point. It had nothing to do with poker, OP simply wasn’t in a great position for success and did himself few favors, and it didn’t work out. But that’s not Vegas’ fault. It’s not a place everyone can live and thrive, nothing wrong with that, doesn’t make people it didn’t work out for any less.

I think it’s pretty silly that when someone fails out of school they are almost exclusively blamed and not the institution. When people fail Vegas, Vegas is almost exclusively blamed and everyone gets on board, which is bull.
Totally agree, The real shame is he probably had the skills to make it work.
He also had the advantage of not having the normal life leaks of degen gambling, drink and drugs.
Normally if you can avoid the above you have a great shot at making it as a pro gambler.
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01-29-2020 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Gzesh
I can take that thought further.... it is not just poker pros.

I think a fair estimate among all new hires/relocated persons is that over 10% will go off the deep end within 6 - 9 months. There are 24/7 available bars, gambling, clubs, liquor stores, dispensaries, fast food, commercial sex, something-for-nothing hustlers, grifters, and such all over the place..... and no rails on the bumper cars.

It is also difficult to predict which 10% from among seemingly stable newbies. Las Vegas is good at exposing and exploiting latent weaknesses in all those areas.... poker is just one area available.

Las Vegas can be a tough town for newbies without stable family or freind relationships.
One thing about poker pros though is you can have long periods of running badly and either make less than you expect, break even so you make nothing, or even have periods of losing money. Those can definitely cause someone to feel Vegas broke them. You can also do well for a while, and then get a bunch of winnings wiped out when you hit that downswing.

At least with even a lousy job you can know a paycheck is coming and won’t be disappointed with a much lower number than you would expect when you took the job.

And as a poker you’ll be in casinos with a bunch of other temptations right there. Sometimes you can’t even walk a block away without having a strip club guy or someone else try to get you to spend money on something you shouldn’t.
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01-29-2020 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Dreamer
Oh come on, did you not read what the OP said.

He worked only 520 hours last year. He was not homeless and said the following...
i didn't say he shouldn't get a job. i was pointing out that you seem to think he should just get any job, specifically starting with pointing out that he should have gotten a job in print media, which is just kinda lol in 2020.

you also don't seem to know anything about OP, because he's already said he is having problems walking 100' in a row. so OP should go work at walmart, or similar? dude is having problems walking 100', no way he's standing for an 8 hour shift.

dealing and uber/lyft seemed like ideal jobs considering everything.
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01-29-2020 , 06:35 PM
Also plenty of people are blaming the OP. It’s one reason why people start threads about Vegas and then disappear when things go badly. They don’t want to face the heat. At least the OP of this thread was honest and didn’t run and hide.
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01-29-2020 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Gzesh
I can take that thought further.... it is not just poker pros.

I think a fair estimate among all new hires/relocated persons is that over 10% will go off the deep end within 6 - 9 months. There are 24/7 available bars, gambling, clubs, liquor stores, dispensaries, fast food, commercial sex, something-for-nothing hustlers, grifters, and such all over the place..... and no rails on the bumper cars.

It is also difficult to predict which 10% from among seemingly stable newbies. Las Vegas is good at exposing and exploiting latent weaknesses in all those areas.... poker is just one area available.

Las Vegas can be a tough town for newbies without stable family or freind relationships.
I do agree with you though. Vegas has a lot of temptations that other cities don’t. So Vegas will break a lot of people.
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01-29-2020 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
i didn't say he shouldn't get a job. i was pointing out that you seem to think he should just get any job, specifically starting with pointing out that he should have gotten a job in print media, which is just kinda lol in 2020.
Again, you are saying there are no remote jobs that require editing/writing/CS skills in 2020....I beg to differ...

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you also don't seem to know anything about OP, because he's already said he is having problems walking 100' in a row. so OP should go work at walmart, or similar? dude is having problems walking 100', no way he's standing for an 8 hour shift.

dealing and uber/lyft seemed like ideal jobs considering everything.
He only delt for around 220 hours in a year....just over 4 hours a week.

So even when he had the ideal job he didn't want to do that either....

So what do you suggest he do. As Nolan said in his blog post you probably need to drive over 50 hours a week just to make 11-12 an hour. Anything less and it starts becoming min wage.
Do you think the OP has this work ethic?
I have seen no proof of that.
I would be more than happy to be wrong about that.

I know facts are at a premium but I actually did read about the OP, that's why I suggested a remote writing/editing/CS type job that thousands of other people do even while living out of a van or RV.

I know tons of ways the OP could of made extra money in Vegas but unfortunately a lot do require you to be mobile such as coupon runs or various forms of arbitrage, gift cards, credit cards, retail. (running for pro sports bettors)

I would 100% be more sympathetic if the OP would not keep making excuses against every single suggestion to help improve his life.
I totally admire his honesty but with that is the admission of some big leaks in his game.
Every suggestion I have made has been constructive. Every suggestion he could do right now to change his life around.

Lets be honest, It doesn't matter where you, if you don't have an income its not going to end well.
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01-29-2020 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve00007
Also plenty of people are blaming the OP. It’s one reason why people start threads about Vegas and then disappear when things go badly. They don’t want to face the heat. At least the OP of this thread was honest and didn’t run and hide.
Totally agree, that's the main reason I offered some tough love mixed in with solid suggestions on how he could turn things around.

It would be easy to say.....you are an idiot....

Much harder to say.....Look, this isn't working... these are the things you need to do to turn this ship around.
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01-29-2020 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Dreamer
Again, you are saying there are no remote jobs that require editing/writing/CS skills in 2020....I beg to differ...
you just assume jobs are there to be had. congrats. i guess there is no point in discussing further.


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Originally Posted by Dreamer
He only delt for around 220 hours in a year....just over 4 hours a week.

So even when he had the ideal job he didn't want to do that either....
pretty sure OP went over why he didn't deal more than he did.


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jfc, 294 posts since 2002 (as of ^^^^ post), and have 16 in this thread, the 2nd highest poster in this thread behind OP. wow.
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01-29-2020 , 09:36 PM
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01-30-2020 , 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ibelieveyouoweme$80k
She was a poker dealer. And she always got a big tip .... Much more than just the tip.

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01-30-2020 , 12:36 AM
Threads like this always make me think of a story I heard about a lion and monkey in the jungle. The monkey is riding on the lion's back when he plucks a coconut off a tree and cracks the lion on the head.

The lion says "Da fuq did you hit me in the head with a coconut for?"

The monkey replies "Why do you always want to bring up the past?"

We have reached the point ITT where it doesn't matter how many times some of you hit the OP with a coconut - what happened is all in the past. Hopefully Chip has learned from his mistakes and things will move forward for him.
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01-30-2020 , 01:00 AM
Was that from the Lion King deleted scenes?
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01-30-2020 , 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Dreamer
You were in no position to be picky. FWIW most jobs pay more than that.
Most retail stores such as WM start people at 10-12 and hour even in Nevada.
As already mentioned there are remote jobs out there looking for writing skills.
Did you search the internet for remote/writing gigs?
Scams. Also those aren't really FT jobs. One criticism I do have, if IB s poker that much then he should have tried/be trying to parlay his pt deals into FT gigs. I'm not touching the How much do poker dealers make? pool but I'm sure they aren't poor.
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01-30-2020 , 04:58 AM
One of the things that I think has gone overlooked in this thread is the study effort needed to become successful at poker. Whether the goal is to do it professionally or make steady side income, simply putting in hours on the felt is often not enough. Sure there are plenty of people naturally gifted to win at live poker, but all of the truly successful players I know completely immerse themselves in the game. They talk with friends all the time, invest time and money in studying away from the tables, constantly look for things other winning players are doing to set themselves apart, and constantly pick apart their own flaws in their own games and lifestyles.

I think poker has a natural attraction from people that are smart but often lack the work ethic and structure that is required in the corporate setting. I wish the OP luck in future endeavors, and hope you find a job that brings a passion with it to succeed.
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01-30-2020 , 06:50 AM
For all those thinking that remote writing for a website is the path to riches, my nephew recently got a job writing and producing podcasts for a site. He gets paid about $15 per article and $35 for the podcast. Since the podcast takes less time, he's stopped writing for them.

He hasn't quit his day job.

Chip, I'm serious about looking at call center jobs.

Here's a listing of the ones available in Philly now.

https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=call+c...adelphia%2C+PA

You literally sit all day and push buttons. Nobody cares about your appearance. You don't even have to lift the phone receiver. You can apply for these in less than a couple of hours.

If you find a better/higher paying job later, then you quit. They're used to it.

There are no excuses. If you want to be like those people at the 1/2 table that buy in with 3 crumpled up twenties out of their pocket and then talk about how you used to be a big deal, that's your choice. But stop blaming everything else around you for your choice.
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01-30-2020 , 07:32 AM
Great post Venice
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01-30-2020 , 10:09 AM
He's getting underpaid IMO. I have several websites that most writers I pay $30 per 1000 word article. They usually charge more but we've been working together for so long and I give them enough consistent work they're okay with that. If you hire anyone for less the quality is usually bad.

It might take a couple months but if you can build up a good rep on upwork or fiverr then you can charge that amount. And most of them tell me it takes about 1 hour to research and write it.
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01-30-2020 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ibelieveyouoweme$80k
Again another person who doesn't get it.

My goal was not to play poker professionally. Why is that hard to understand?

I moved because I wanted to. Because I expected dealing jobs to be abundant. Perhaps I suck and overrated my dealing abilities.

I wanted out of Philly winters.



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U should have landed a job before moving there
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01-30-2020 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
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. If you want to be like those people at the 1/2 table that buy in with 3 crumpled up twenties out of their pocket and then talk about how you used to be a big deal, that's your choice. But stop blaming everything else around you for your choice.
Uhmmmm, that would be me.
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01-30-2020 , 04:08 PM
I like to buy in with rolls of quarters to assert my dominance.
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