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01-17-2020 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Da_Nit
Brass is a very little, very insecure man.
He now has the dubious distinction of being the first, and so far, only, poster blocked by yours truly. And after only one post!

On topic: $80k, get your health in order, post haste. Moving back to Philly in January from the beautiful desert Southwest will take an additional toll. If you've been in LV for several years, you will find you aren't used to the cold weather, anymore.

I'm looking forward to seeing posts from you regarding your miraculous turn-around: health, bankroll, results, etc. in the near future.
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01-17-2020 , 06:04 PM
OP how much money did you make dealing for the wsop and why did you not do that every summer? Good luck back home. I hope your life turns around.
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01-17-2020 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
This is out of line. Takes a small man to kick someone while they're down and laugh at them. Who cares if he is winning or not.
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Originally Posted by Da_Nit
Brass is a very little, very insecure man.
+1s.
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01-17-2020 , 06:56 PM
Thanks for sharing OP. This is going to be a very good thread. You have posted on some of my previous threads I have had under my old screen name.

First, you are not a broken man. You are just in down point in your life. I have come out of casino many nights with just $20 dollars to my name. I totally felt broken with no hope in sight. When I took a break from the gambling and found other healthy distraction and hobbies, I felt better. It can take just 1 month or 2. I also recommend going to some sort of recovery meeting to surround yourself with other people.

“Stand tall man. Stand tall “
This video from coach who had his entire city turn on him and he lost his job but I truly feel he has the right attitude
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01-17-2020 , 08:09 PM
Glgl
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01-17-2020 , 08:48 PM
Excellent post, OP. Best of luck in the future!
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01-17-2020 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
This is out of line. Takes a small man to kick someone while they're down and laugh at them. Who cares if he is winning or not.
The delivery is way out of line, the message may not be. Vegas didn't break him, at best trying to play for a living in Vegas did, and at worst trying to play for a living period, did. If he moved to Vegas with solid job prospects, this thread likely wouldn't exist.

Chip is courageous for shooting his shot and for opening this thread. But he needs honest support. Encouraging him to do anything other than getting his health in check and a dependable job, is suboptimal.

I wish you the best Chip and think your honesty is refreshing. But I can't help but think you should leave poker for a long while.
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01-17-2020 , 11:54 PM
For the record I played 331 hours in 2019 and won $3774. So slightly better than $11 an hour.

Some of you are under the impression I moved to Vegas to PLAY poker for a living. Not true. I moved to deal AND play.

I moved to escape winter.

Someone asked about dealing the WSOP. I worked it for less thab a month before suffering a horrible back injury.

Why did I not go back the last two summers? Better opportunities. I dealt 4 months at Harrah's in 2018. I dealt at Venetian and Sam's Town in 2019.

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01-17-2020 , 11:56 PM
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01-17-2020 , 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DefNotRsigley
If you're still in Vegas I'll give you a job, but you need to be reliable. Can't sleep until 9pm, work starts 8am.
Wow. Wish i had seen this before leaving. What was the job?

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01-18-2020 , 05:14 AM
80K I'm curious, you were working 30 hours a week and playing and winning at poker. I live here, work full time, play some on the side (also winning) (maybe made a 1/3rd to 1/2 my job salary playing last year). How the heck was your roll so low after going on a good upstreak to only be at like 3500 when you had solid income coming in? That's not even 12 buyins of 1/3.

Did you get mixed up in drugs or have an expensive girlfriend or something? Partying and going out? After rereading your OP it sound like partying wasn't the cause.

Honestly I think what really might have gotten you was trying to play and live before you had enough of a liferoll/savings set up. You should have like 6 months living expenses and then like 5-6k on top of that to start building your poker bankroll from if you're going to play 1-2 and 1-3. Even that would only be like 20 buyins. That way you're never sweating a losing week/month, and know your fine in an emergency. If you do ever decide to take another shot, it sounds like that was your biggest misstep that I can see. It sounds like you live pretty frugally like I do out here. Unless you have some other big like life leak, which it doesn't sound like from your post.

Just curious. Enjoyed the story, really appreciate someone willing to give the honest take of what it can really be like for most people who go for it. But as others have said, you'll be better for it in the long run. You probably learned so much about life and about yourself and human nature in your journey. Fall down 7 times and stand up 8. Best of luck to you my man.

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01-18-2020 , 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by AzOther1
He now has the dubious distinction of being the first, and so far, only, poster blocked by yours truly. And after only one post!

On topic: $80k, get your health in order, post haste. Moving back to Philly in January from the beautiful desert Southwest will take an additional toll. If you've been in LV for several years, you will find you aren't used to the cold weather, anymore.

I'm looking forward to seeing posts from you regarding your miraculous turn-around: health, bankroll, results, etc. in the near future.
It's just math. A winning player who spends the profits instead of growing the roll is at risk to go broke. IF the roll never grows he eventually will be broke.
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01-18-2020 , 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Donat3llo
The delivery is way out of line, the message may not be. Vegas didn't break him, at best trying to play for a living in Vegas did, and at worst trying to play for a living period, did. If he moved to Vegas with solid job prospects, this thread likely wouldn't exist.

Chip is courageous for shooting his shot and for opening this thread. But he needs honest support. Encouraging him to do anything other than getting his health in check and a dependable job, is suboptimal.

I wish you the best Chip and think your honesty is refreshing. But I can't help but think you should leave poker for a long while.
I disagree. It wasn’t a “tough love” post. It was just a troll post basically saying “Lol the OP sucks at poker and is lying about being a winning 1-2 NL player.”

And going broke doesn’t prove that someone is a losing player for obvious reasons.

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01-18-2020 , 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by DrDanimal
80K I'm curious, you were working 30 hours a week and playing and winning at poker. I live here, work full time, play some on the side (also winning) (maybe made a 1/3rd to 1/2 my job salary playing last year). How the heck was your roll so low after going on a good upstreak to only be at like 3500 when you had solid income coming in? That's not even 12 buyins of 1/3.
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Originally Posted by ibelieveyouoweme$80k
I was able to get a temp dealing job on the strip in April and worked 30 hours a week through the summer. I played and played well. I managed to build up a decent little roll by early October. I think the high point was $3,300. It was a life/poker roll so not nearly enough but I never expected to be out of work long.

Again I went on a massive downswing. Throw in that I don't manage my money well - I don't waste but I didn't watch what I spent and probably ate better than I deserved - and I was broke by Nov. 1 or so. I spent the next couple of months before landing another temp dealer job in February. It waa about the time I got my tax refund which I used to play for about two months before bills and another small downswing ended that.

I worked part time and played sporadically during the summer. I left one job for another and it didn't work out.
The OP never got regular employment. It wasn't solid income coming in.
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01-18-2020 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by BiteMeFish
Chip, it takes giant nuts to put this story out here. Nobody likes sharing the times they didn't win, or ****ed up, or got screwed. We only want to talk about the good things that happen to us. I'm sorry you're in this spot and I hope things turn around, but I applaud you for writing this and I hope 2+2 appreciates how important this is.
+1 totally agree
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01-18-2020 , 12:33 PM
How can one go on a "massive downswing" when their total life roll/poker roll is $3300?

You're a homeless person at that point.
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01-18-2020 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by thedude404
How can one go on a "massive downswing" when their total life roll/poker roll is $3300?

You're a homeless person at that point.
I think OP was well aware of his predicament. No need to rub it in.

If you lose everything, that would be massive, right?
What's your point, everything is not "massive"?
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01-18-2020 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by thedude404
How can one go on a "massive downswing" when their total life roll/poker roll is $3300?



You're a homeless person at that point.


Massive is relative. What is massive for me is less than a rounding error to Bill Gates. For Chip it was massive, not sure why it matters past that.
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01-18-2020 , 01:58 PM
I don't know you beyond your posts on here and I like your openness.

From someone of a similar age, I wish you all the best for the future in whatever you end up doing.
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01-18-2020 , 02:46 PM
Thanks for sharing your story. I hope here and irl you find the support to get back on your feet.

"I failed but I lived my dream and took my shot." I happen to think these two things are contradictory. Failing is when you don't take your shot. I'm sure this kind of perspective is hard right now, but I hope it comes for you.
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01-18-2020 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ibelieveyouoweme$80k
For the record I played 331 hours in 2019 and won $3774. So slightly better than $11 an hour.

I dealt at Venetian and Sam's Town in 2019.

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331 hours is around 40 or 50 days of play. What were you doing the other 300+ days of the year? Dealing? OK, then I assume you're making more than $11 an hour dealing at Sam's Town/Venetian, and then if you have another $3774 in income, how do you have only $20 to your name at the end of the year? You said your rent was only $600 a month. Were you buying new shoes every day? Something doesn't add up. You're lying or withholding something, because when you have a decent job and allegedly can win at $11/hr and are living in a low-rent room, you aren't going to fly home broke and homeless. Unless, of course, you're lying or withholding something.
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01-18-2020 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by sw_emigre
Thanks for sharing your story. I hope here and irl you find the support to get back on your feet.

"I failed but I lived my dream and took my shot." I happen to think these two things are contradictory. Failing is when you don't take your shot. I'm sure this kind of perspective is hard right now, but I hope it comes for you.
You sell participation trophys for a business ?

Seriously, OP was forthright, he took a shot and failed to hit his goal. He did not seem to be looking for a "there, there, it's okay.".
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01-18-2020 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Brass
331 hours is around 40 or 50 days of play. What were you doing the other 300+ days of the year? Dealing? OK, then I assume you're making more than $11 an hour dealing at Sam's Town/Venetian, and then if you have another $3774 in income, how do you have only $20 to your name at the end of the year? You said your rent was only $600 a month. Were you buying new shoes every day? Something doesn't add up. You're lying or withholding something, because when you have a decent job and allegedly can win at $11/hr and are living in a low-rent room, you aren't going to fly home broke and homeless. Unless, of course, you're lying or withholding something.
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Originally Posted by venice10
The OP never got regular employment. It wasn't solid income coming in.
There ya go, champ.
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01-18-2020 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ibelieveyouoweme$80k

I got off to a hot start and was cruising after 3 months when I hit a terrible downswing. I had started working with a coach and staker in December. It went great for 3 weeks and the next 3 months were hell. Trying to learn a new playing style was not easy. It was extremely hard. And I have an ego so that made it harder.


I I have like $20 in my pocket and I'm starving.

What was the "new playing style" like and do you think it was a good choice?

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Originally Posted by Brass
331 hours is around 40 or 50 days of play. What were you doing the other 300+ days of the year? Dealing? OK, then I assume you're making more than $11 an hour dealing at Sam's Town/Venetian, and then if you have another $3774 in income, how do you have only $20 to your name at the end of the year? You said your rent was only $600 a month. Were you buying new shoes every day? Something doesn't add up. You're lying or withholding something, because when you have a decent job and allegedly can win at $11/hr and are living in a low-rent room, you aren't going to fly home broke and homeless. Unless, of course, you're lying or withholding something.
I think "$20 in my pocket" was more colloquial than a calculation of net worth.
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01-18-2020 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Brass
331 hours is around 40 or 50 days of play. What were you doing the other 300+ days of the year? Dealing? OK, then I assume you're making more than $11 an hour dealing at Sam's Town/Venetian, and then if you have another $3774 in income, how do you have only $20 to your name at the end of the year? You said your rent was only $600 a month. Were you buying new shoes every day? Something doesn't add up. You're lying or withholding something, because when you have a decent job and allegedly can win at $11/hr and are living in a low-rent room, you aren't going to fly home broke and homeless. Unless, of course, you're lying or withholding something.
We get it, you get off on calling OP a liar, liar pants on fire, based on some weird speculation and generally apparent mean streak in your nature.

What "doesn't add up" is your spinning accusations of lying , lying, lying ,when all you could say is you don't think you've seen a full account of expenses. As if you or anyone is entitled to more personal details tha OP chose to share.

This is not The Spanish Inquisition, get over yourself.
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