After some high profile litigation losses in recent years, the lure of patenting casino type games has faded. Plus, as another poster said, to be patentable, an invention must not only be new (i.e., not already out there in the real world or described in some sort of publication or other accessible form) but also not be obvious, and in the case of gambling where cards and dice have existed for centuries, it is much more difficult to pass those hurdles than in a relatively new industry like IoT.

The things aren't mutually exclusive, but you already knew that.

I'm not going to keep feeding the trolls here. If you're not interested in what I have to say, sounds like that's your loss. I mean, I only have in depth knowledge of how a casino works.

This is absolutely true, capturing the Bac market is an extremely difficult task in most markets (incl. Vegas) without giving up the farm.

It's not my loss at all. I haven't played table games for 10 years or so and I sold my casino stocks 6 years ago.

If you do ever use your in depth knowledge of how a casino works to open or run your own casino, I will honestly be happy to play in a casino that is player-focused rather than investor-focused.

But I wouldn't invest for the exact same reason.

I'm not talking about some sort of player focused casino? I don't know where you got that from. You made a statement that basically said table games don't make money. Blackjack regardless of 3-2 or 6-5 are still huge revenue drivers, and a roulette table is definitely not a waste of space or labor.

The goal posts keep moving, I don't even know what we're talking about.

This is my central premise: casinos keep making table games rules worse for the player because of a mixture of they can and they need to.

As other things become more valuable - e.g., nightclubs - and gaming volume goes down, gaming margins have to increase to be competitive. That means 6:5, triple zero, craps fields bet going down, etc.

Many gamblers try to justify why player-centric rules would benefit the casino - poker rooms bring gamblers into table games, table games bring people into hotel rooms, etc. They call for lower poker rates and better blackjack rules and almost always it very narrowly aligns with their self-interest.

Casinos are corporate now, they can - and are - evaluated by means common to institutional investing. That means if a table isn't doing better than empty space it will get cut. That means if a whole section isn't doing better than retail it will get bulldozed. (Look at the Venetian poker room as an example of what management thinks the value of poker is.)

You can do the math however you want (and I'm not saying you're wrong) but some bean counter in New York definitely is, and however they're doing the math the end result is that they think gaming is not the cash cow that gamblers assume it is. If they're wrong (and I would be happy if they were - I loved past Vegas), you've got an edge. Unfortunately I think they are right.

Most of Vegas' issues have to do with saturation, and retail will suffer from the same effect, nightclubs maybe not.

Well played Caesars!

This is the most ******ed ridiculous **** I have ever seen together with Venetian's 000-roulette, regarding to gambling.

I hope some drunk guy just throws up all over these tables, that would be nice.

The degen in me wants to split $60 those zeros. Are they together on the wheel like they are at the Venetian?

The creep of this s*** through the strip starts

Within five years they’ll add fractions.

Or two new colors.

Perfect - they could call it 'Rainbow Roulette'.

Yeah, that would be a much more appealing option than fractions.

Yes. They are the three green numbers at the top of the felt and the green box by the red and black on the outside bets. I believe it pays 11-1. If so, it's exactly the same as betting all three zeros straight for an even amount.

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As a consumer I agree that the problem is saturation. People have essentially been playing the same handful of games since the 50's.

The casino's need to find ways to make gambling new and exciting. I just don't find playing Blackjack, Craps, or Baccarat for a long period of time exciting. I think many tourists feel the same way. Its fun for a short period of time but then people want to do something else. The problem is every casino is near identical from a gaming perspective. As a visitor I don't need 50 casinos that offer the same handful of games.

It is smart in the last years they have introduced Pai Gow and some other variations of games but they need to innovate more to make the gaming experience more fun. Just my 2c.

quad zeros with 2 balls ?

Now there's a game! Both balls land in one number paying 100:1. I'm writing a letter to the gaming commission