Yeah I have never seen such a bad paytable for $10 JOB.

To be fair to the gf, at least if the money is locked up in a ring he can't blow it on video poker. When you are in a relationship with someone who has a gambling problem the safest place to put money is probably on your person.

it's not locked up, it's gone. If he tries to sell that ring he'd be lucky to get even 40 cents on the dollar, often as low as 20 cents.

Expensive rings are even harder to get good value on. People who can afford that level of diamond don't want to mess around in secondary markets where they could get scammed. The only diamonds that do well in a secondary market are those with historical value like crown jewels...

He'd have been better off dumping that on video poker to be honest, at least there he'd have a chance to get something out of it

that money was just flushed

I'm confused...is she your girlfriend or wife?

If it's a girlfriend, you let her manage large amounts of your life roll $?

Continued...

Driving back to Vegas I was pretty anxious since we were so close to the money. Strange considering min cash was around 4k and I spent 10x that. Nonetheless, Day 2 couldn't start fast enough. I had an additional buyin for a WSOP event if I didn't cash. The plan was to either be done before 3pm or make Day 2 last as long as possible after bubble. Won a flip for 400k 10 away from bubble and coasted into the money (high variance call on my part but that's me I guess). Was card dead the rest of the way and cashed for around 7k. It was already 6pm so too late to play another tourney. I was hungry and tired anyway.

Morning comes and I have 8500. Part of me didn't want to play cause of knowing how hard it was to cash top 4% but the other part wanted to take that shot. On the Palazzo side in front of high-stakes there's a bank of VP machines I always play. I only play machines that offer the "double-up" feature as most of my winning comes from doubling hands multiple times. So I have to take what they give me for paytables since many machines don't offer it. It's 6am and I'm playing my usual machines for an hour or so, winning and losing 1-2k. Just by chance the slot attendant says there's multi-line machines that offer double up in high-stakes. I wasn't getting anywhere so decided to give it a try.

There's a bank of 3 machines, I chose the middle. Went in there with a little over 10k. Played 5 line TDB at $5 demon. Went up 2-3k and then hit a 10k score on TDB. Went to the far right machine and put a couple k in, hit another 10k score. At 26-27 now. Hit a few nice doubles for 4-5k each. Back at 40! I decide to stop and reevaluate after eating something. I go for a tourist type walk for a couple hours and come up. Start with the typical 10k strap but get tickets as I'm tired of putting 100s in. 10k gone. Go back upstairs and get 20k this time with the mindset of the remaining 10k is my tourney score and money I brought, so I'll lock that up and risk the 20.

Go to cashier to get 4/2500 tickets again but decide to play 10-play this time. Down to last ticket and get a double for 4400 (have 6k total in machine). While waiting for that payout I go back to cashier and change up my other 10k strap for 4 more tickets. I play the one on the far left as the other 2 already hit 10k scores and as luck would have it:



Back at 36k! Hit a couple more doubles immediately after and have 44k. Stop and relax for the rest of the day until my girl gets into town later that night. Ok...well I did plan to stop but wanted to try my luck again later, before she came since I figured that kind of gambling probably won't be going on while she's here. Go back downstairs around 5 and win another 8k. At 52 and am done!

We played together later that night and lost 1k or something. I remembered I had earned a bunch in freeplay so used that to earn 2k more. At 54 now. Went and had dinner in which I told her it was comped and the next day there was a comp spa/massage for her. Figured I knew what I was doing by accepting these comps...indirectly telling her I had gambled a bunch. It wasn't needed as she asked me,"why, what did you do?" It was in a playful way as we both just grinned but when I explained to her the story, she just shook her head and the playful smile turned into a clinched jaw. We moved past that and enjoyed the rest of the evening. My assumption is she doesn't even want to hear about it anymore, regardless of win or loss. This is why I find it easier to keep the heavy swings to myself.

Next day comes and I play a lot smaller, but still lose 4k. My stopping point was 50 and I knew I couldn't go crazy since I wasn't alone. Losing the 4 did sting especially with not having a chance to get it back when I have plenty of ammo, so I didn't try...until we got back home and won 6400 in blackjack at the local. Total amount won over the 3 weeks was around 95k.

So here we are now. Didn't play yesterday and probably won't today. She's going out-of-town this weekend so I'll either be moving us into the new home (depends on if we can close in time), heading to Vegas or just realize I've been pretty lucky and lockup the money, for now. Not sure where my life is going to take me, but it's been a fun ride so far.

I saw two paper bags, nothing more.....

Hey, the guy is a self-described FAKE high-roller,

I think you've been rickrolled.

You have a problem, and you need to seek help.

Can you explain a bit about your process. I assume you know optimal play. How did you go about learning that, was their any homework/training involved?

I love tales of degen as much as anyone, and seeing big hits like OP has posted still gets my juices flowing. But I hate it when casinos manage to break a fellow gambler which they have the potential of doing here. I'd much rather see posts from OP 10 years from now showing 4 figure hits than a bunch of 5 figure ones now and NOTHING later.

Greyhounds have just never worked for me. I must be 2+2's exception to that rule. My wife and I have run so bad in the past that even SHE has ordered greyhounds just watching me play... to no avail.

OP very nice report but i really think you should speak with a professional about your addiction, you are just not rich enough to cover your expensive gaming taste. Leon has a good point, we all enjoy to see big hits but i highly doubt you can continue this fashion long term, you ll bust very soon (

Best of luck!

You are a textbook gambling addict. Go to a gamblers anonymous meeting.

Not sure if you’ve been to a meeting like that or not, but odds are he has to lose his life roll and GF before he even considers it.

And I’m still hoping this is mostly fake and more hoping he gets some help before it all crashes down.

God this is so relatable.

The gambling bug never really goes away but you’ll find limiting your access (via the gf, or in my case wife) can give you the same buzz.

You bring $2,000 with no access to anything else.

So you gamble $500, lose it quickly and have to go back and get another $500. The anxiety (at least for me) remained the same because if I lost my full roll I would be “broke” for the remainder of the trip.

The other alternative (so I’ve heard) is to just full stop quit gambling. No poker with friends, no Super Bowl bets nothing. Same way alcoholics have to quit entirely and not try and tempt themselves with a small drink.


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This post is perfect. It should be its own thread. Thank you, Leon.

Great thread but the paytable on the $40,000 royal machine is absolutely criminal.

What casino was that at?

venetian/ palazzo.... they really are the nut low.

You ever think about helping the unfortunate out? Not the street beggers in Vegas but real folks in need. I myself could not fathom risking that kind of money at the casino with so many of our fellow people without.

Heck, I make 6 figures. My wife has a 2k ring and is happy with it. But dont mess with her charity giving each year. She would mess me up.

Pay it forward bro. Don't give it all to the casinos.

I consider myself one of the biggest degens on 2+2. And this thread is a different level of stupid even for me. So basically you are risking 1/4th of your net worth in a couple of hours? And then after winning instead of locking it down you keep saying "just one more, maybe I´ll be back to Vegas this weekend".

Dude, run. Lock away the money and just STOP PLAYING. As many have said you are the type of person that will lose the 50k, then another 50k, then your home, mortgage, everything.

What has helped me over time is to realize what that money means, that it is actually a years pay for many people or even more and what absolutely crazy **** you can buy with that money.

Yeah, I'd seriously invest in annuities or something else right now that will lock up the roll, make it untouchable and only let you get it piecemeal.

This only ends one way OP and it's not going to be good

Understanding the value of money has helped me control my degen tendencies. I bought an XBOX for $200 and now I’ll think dang that was 5 XBOX’s.

That along with controlling access to the degen outlets. It is a constant work in progress though.

Good luck op, love the stories but dang we want this to end well for you


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Thanks again for all the feedback. Although the last 3 weeks have had crazy swings, perhaps I'm more immune to it as I've had even larger swings in the past and dealt with the losses in stride. I look at gambling as a means to get free things (tourney buyins, gifts for my girl or myself etc) rather than an act of entertainment. Poker is what I use for the entertainment side of things and VP or blackjack is where I try and hit quick scores.

Closing on the house today so I have a lot of work/moving to do this weekend. Good time to continue with the pause on gambling.

You have to be trolling us right? Nobody’s insight is this bad.

I read that and then it suddenly all made sense, nobody with a deep and true understanding of it all would be this reckless. That statement there was the most accurate thing he's written this entire time.

A big reason why I asked about the methodology was more to inspire him to at least learn perfect play and use better payout machines if he's going to be doing this - fact he's fine dumping so much into machines with horrible payouts just another example of the irrational expectations of it all.

As sad as it is, until it cripples him and he can't recover and finds himself broken and having to sell the house just to cover the payday loans, he's always going to believe he's one more pull away from a big hit to win it all back and in the meantime he's getting nice comps.

The goal of gambling is to win money. Money is used to pay for goods and services = the goal of gambling is win money for those goods and services (past, present or future). Not sure why my comment would be a troll, guess that’s your opinion though.

OP, go for it. It's only money, and you might be the 1% that can outrun the odds.
My suggestion is to bet twice as much. If you had done that the last 3 weeks, you would have almost doubled your life roll.

Put on your big boy pants and fire away!!!