Yeah exactly what I do too. If everyone tipped 5 in and 5 out these guys would be almost making six figures as valets.

In 2007 Wynn Valet full timers were making 70

And they shouldn't. A college kid with six figures of debt makes barely half of that coming out of college. But hey, life is unfair.

I'm a $2-$3 on the way out only but I'm arizona so I feel like the valet charge is a forced deal every time I get in that situation hence my small tip

So? I don't understand why that matters? Is it our obligation to keep the pay scale in order for job types?

Check out what an NBA player makes a year vs a cancer doctor who saves lives and let me know what we should do about it.

You're the guy who wouldn't vote for Ken Griffey Jr on the first ballot just because Babe Ruth didn't get in unanimously.

Me either. But I have always been a generous tipper to service individuals. I guess working in that field gave me an appreciation of how ****ty the job is.

If you are making less than 35k out of college, you went for the wrong thing (or at least something that shouldn’t have put you 6 figures in debt) or live in a pretty poor part of the country. If you think valet in Vegas is a great career, I am pretty sure you could find a job there.

Like many of us here I'm sure, I was a server in a restaurant at one point. The amount of work I had to do for a $5 tip is way more than the valet drivers do. I don't think they deserve a $5 tip for parking your car just because they work at a five star hotel, just like how I don't think cocktail servers deserve to be tipped more than $1 at a time just cause they're hot and work at a nice place like Aria. But that's just my opinion.

Im sure if you were a valet at a 5star hotel or a hot cocktail server at the Aria then your attitude would be quite different.

I wouldn't expect a $5 tip every time as a valet and I wouldn't roll my eyes and not thank someone for a $1 tip if I was a hot cocktail server at Aria. If I didn't play so much there I'd call them out on their entitlement and ask for the tip back. It's amazing how so many guys think it's appropriate to tip based on level of physical attractiveness. I don't think that's OK at all and I tip the granny who really shouldn't be wearing that outfit and the super hot 25 year old ones the same.

Valets at Wynn don't expect a $5 tip every time and cocktail waitresses at Aria do thank people for that $1 tip. It's that level of professionalism that got them employed at 5-star resorts in the first place.

wasnt aria level at all but the casino i worked in, the far and away most attractive waitress was also the most friendly. and she made a killing. otoh there were girls that looked like trolls that thought they were the **** and complained all the time.

$5 for valet tho seems pretty much bottom end for most people (gonna say the older the person the less the tip overall), kinda like the scene from gone in 60 seconds. "take really good care of this car, and, uh, ill take care of you"

"you know what, save it and buy another one of these suits"

Have you been to the real world, at all? I'm not saying it's right, but hot waitresses get tipped better, sorry. The valet at a 5-star gets (on average) better tips than the guy at the local joint. It's just how the world works.

You don't have to like it and you don't have to agree with it and, like most things, YMMV, but I'd figure out a way to just accept that this is how things are.

Your condescending attitude is very uncalled for. This isn't my first summer in Vegas. I'm fully aware of how the world works. Yes, being hot will get you ahead in life. Yes, being hot will cause you to get hit on by creepy dudes double your age who tip you $5 a drink and call you "sweetie". I get it.

You nailed it with the second part. I don't like it and I don't agree with it that's why I tip exactly how much I think they deserve.

Good thing you're so sure of yourself and not like those ****ing ******s who go onto the Internet and ask strangers how much they should tip! Amirite?

It was more of a "like are you serious?" attitude than condescending.

I tip 5 at drop off and 5 at pick up

Read the OP.

I think this post sums it up quite well. RiverRat reeks of bitter resentment in every post. He fits the description of the antisocial Vegas grinder to a T. Seriously re-read your posts and honestly try to tell me you don't represent the miserable low stakes grinder that infest Vegas.

I'm not trying to talk **** LRR, but you come off angry as hell. I know you're going to go on monkey tilt after receiving constructive criticism. I, and others like me, have tried to help you from one pro to the other just out of respect for the grind, but you get too defensive to listen.

And btw the cocktail waitresses are one of the better aspects of casino poker and you still find a way to see the negative in them just because they make more $ than you.

Picturing you waiting tables is laughable as well. Just saying...

Your relentless obsession with trying to bring me down with your groundless assumptions is what's laughable. You are definitely trying to talk ****. At least be honest with your intentions instead of lacking the balls to own up to them. I'm tried of breaking down and outing your bs, but I'll do it anyways so the forum knows what kind of cancer you post.

1) I'm probably one of the least anti-social grinders in Vegas. I'm always talking, sometimes drinking and in the probably 2k hours of live I've played I've never ever worn headphones once and don't plan to anytime soon. I also frequently call out people berating fish or just in general acting like entitled babies and ruining the vibe of the table. You sound like the type to act that way. Wouldn't be surprised if I had called you out without knowing that it was you.

2) There is no monkey tilt, just like how your "criticism" is just you talking out of your ass and in zero ways constructive. There's only pity.

3) I've never said cocktail waitresses were bad for casino poker. I said that I will tip them $1 for every order and the ones that roll their eyes or refuse to say thank you because I didn't tip them $5 I would call them out on their entitlement and take back the tip if I wasn't a regular.

Again, I'm shocked you haven't gotten at least temp banned. And again, thank you for making me realize that the LLSNL forum is a waste of my time.

Why is LLSNL a waste of your time?

The LLSNL isn't a waste of time. You can learn to beat 2/5 just by studying it. People give harsh criticism there though. Its always the people that quit poker that end up crap talking LLSNL or poker in general.

(Because this post is long, I'll answer the OP's question here: $3-$5 dollars is the common tip for a valet)

I suppose an actual valet posting in this thread would be like a server posting in a forum about serving...and both actions are near suicide, but here goes. Weeeeeeeeeeee...

I valet in the midwest, get paid tipping wage ($5hr) on my best jobs (restaurants, hotels), buck or two over minimum on private parties and events. Over the years, I've also done things like travel to help transition the parking garages on the Long Island Railroad (the busiest commuter line in the country) into my companies portfolio, as well as oversee huge grass and dirt field parking lots at weeks-long events where 1500 cars or more park each day. Those jobs paid a little better, but still only in the $13-$15/hr range. Finally, I've worked at hospitals and not expected a single dollar in tips. People are sick, or their kids are sick. Valets are simply an extension of the hospital and try to make the patient's day a little less suck.

For those saying valet doesn't deserve some love (read $$$), you're full of ****. Typical winter day, shovel snow, run in snow, run in slush, shovel some more. All this for 6-10 hours at a time, depending on the shift. Sure there's some down time, but average on the feet 80-90% of shift.

Summer, and I can't imagine Vegas, is average 80 degrees plus, 60-90% humidity. Clean the sidewalks, interact with the homeless, meter people, other businesses, sweat like a mother****er, stand in the rain, run in the rain. Again some down time, but 80-90% on the feet running.

At pecial events and private parties, often, the car parking situation is sub-optimal. The run could be 2-300 yards. The first 1 1/2 hours, as cars come in, will run 15 cars. Same or more on the way out, depending on how many valets stay for end of event. Tips typically not as good as restaurant/hotel work, unless the person hosting the event tips out, say $20 or more/valet.

Valet is a young persons job. I'm not young, in fact, I'm older than any valet I've worked with in the last 12 years. But that's just me. Been working/playing/hiking/running outside my entire life. I like it. I like talking to the peeps from every walk of life. I like helping the homeless (collecting extra jackets from friends and keeping them in the valet stand to hand out. having small packages of trail mix on hand to give). I also like that I am my own boss, for all intensive purposes, on most of my jobs.

There are some jobs in the real world where people work harder and in worse conditions (construction, paving, roofers, etc). For the type of person who doesn't like being out in the elements for more than five minutes at a time, those jobs and valet is utterly miserable due to weather close to 50% of the days. At least in my area.

When I started, $2 dollars was a decent tip. $3-$5 is a general rule now. It's what I tip when I valet my car. I also tip well in poker rooms, restaurants and bars. Partly because I'm in a service industry, but mostly because I know, having been on the streets working, that real wages for the majority of the people in the United States have been stagnant for almost 20 years. Twenty ****ing years.

I see more homeless people, more people working two and three jobs for substandard pay and little or no benefits. And if anyone comes on here and says get a better job, **** off. Look up the statistics, the percentage of people working for **** wages has steadily increased over those last 20 years. There simply are not these magical jobs for the majority in the United States. I puke every time I read some story on line about how touching it is for some mom or dad to work 80 hours a week at three jobs so they can buy their kid a dress for prom. **** that. That same parent doesn't get to see their kid grow up, or go on vacation with their family, and is one health scare or automobile dying from utter ruin.

This country truly sucks at the meta-game of life. It's cultural/political inability to peer at the bigger picture and see the nuance of where economics, society, individual, group, creativity, and more come together is stunning and has led to a wholesale destruction of the majorities chance to work a reasonable number of hours, while still having quality time to do those things that make a human life worth living. (End Rant)

Bottom line: Tip your servers, dealers, bartenders and valets well.

Since you asked, I'm gonna be totally honest. There's very few posters in there I actually respect. I don't mind giving more value than receiving. What I do mind is the rigidness of everyone's opinions and the general lack of openness to non ABC plays. And the occasional troll such as snowman or bodybuilder adds to the frustration.

Mods, you're probably gonna lock this thread cause it's getting derailed to hell. But before you do that can you please explain why bodybuilder is still allowed to post so much cancer? Garick you especially. You warn people to not derail the win rates thread all the time. Yet you continue to let this troll post the garbage he constantly posts.