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Old 02-04-2019, 12:07 PM   #1
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Tales From The Strip

”Listen, here’s the thing, if you can’t spot the sucker in your first half hour at the table, then you are the sucker. Guys around here will tell you: You play for a living, it’s like any other job. You don’t gamble, you grind it out. Your goal is to win one big bet an hour, that’s it. Get your money in when you have the best of it. Protect it when you don’t. Don’t give anything away.”

The so-called pro’s who live by the above mantra are those whose money I have consistently won since late-2010 and have taken back to my McMansion in the Midwest every two weeks. I only play NL in Vegas, from 2/5 to 10/20 (depends on what’s available, I always aim for the largest NL game I can find). Average blended win rate from 2016-2018 at 2/5 was $150/hr.+, 5/10 was $300/hr.+, and although I have struggled to find consistent 10/20 action, that win rate has been $250/hr.+ but has counted as less than 15% of my hours played. I buy-in short (150% to 300% of minimum, depending on the existing stacks in play), my average session win rate is approx. 71%, average session length is 2 hours give or take. The only way my approach can be profitable enough to make a bi-monthly trip worthwhile is in a town like Vegas with so many options to bounce to and from.

This journey began in 2009 during the depths of the recession, in which my business was on the verge of failing. I had previously played poker at a few casinos, mainly 1/2 and 1/3 NL with mixed results. I started with a poker bankroll of $4K plus travel expenses and in mid-2009 started taking monthly trips to Vegas to see if I could supplement my normal income via poker. I took my first trip in August 2009 and by mid-December, I had blown through my meager bankroll at 1/2 and 1/3 NL. I read the poker books, watched and read anything and everything online that l could find, and in mid-2010 started with a $10K poker bankroll and tried again. My day-job was starting to show signs of life again and allowed me to try this poker experiment one more time. Anyway, by November 2010 my bankroll was down to $2K…playing classic TAG the entire time.

I figured I’d take one more trip in December 2010, give poker one more weekend, then walk away from it. That December trip almost felt like me saying “good bye” to Vegas; I think I was expecting to lose that last $2K. I had lost half of the $2K I brought with me and decided to take that last thousand and step up to the biggest game I could find and play short stacked. I remember this day so vividly…it was a Saturday…nice day, mid-60’s and cloudy. I decided to check-out Bellagio for the first time, the fancy room where all the “pro’s” play…you know, I’d go out in style. After waiting almost 2 hours, I was able to get into a 5/10 NL game…bought-in for $1K. Most of the rest of the table had stacks that probably averaged $2.5K. I played tight for the first couple of orbits, paying close attention to the action. The game-play was light-years different that the 1/2NL-1/3NL games I had been playing. More than anything, I noticed these 5/10 players were very careful pre-flop, and basically made post-flop decisions via “the math” and most hands seemed to be going to the river until either someone made a big enough bet to scoop the pot, or there would be a two-player show-down. Without going into great detail here and now, after sitting in that game for about 3-4 hours, a lightbulb went off in my head…my “Eureka!” moment. I was down to about $600 by this time and slowly started mentally developing my “system” during that game. I ended up leaving that game after a total of 10+ hours with approx. $3K. My “system” today has at its foundation those building blocks from that game at Bellagio, but through trial and error, I have developed a much more advanced and consistently winning approach.

Although it may seem to some that this is little more that a brag-blog attempt by me, I can assure you that this is not the case at all. I’ve been a LONG-TIME lurker on two-plus-two, and have learned a ton about poker, more specifically, about the mindset of those who play professionally or at least close to that level. You see, for me to achieve my goals, given the short time-frame of 2-3 days at a time, I seek out pro’s or very experienced players to play against. While some players are what they call “bum hunters”, I suppose I could be most aptly called a “pro hunter”. Since I only play two weekends per month (sometimes only one) and bounce from casino to casino, these Vegas pro’s rarely seem to remember me, or more importantly, they rarely seem to remember HOW I doubled up on them the last time we played…but I always remember them. The hundreds of competitors they play against every week is a definite advantage for me.

Some of you may wonder, if I am really running as hot as I claim, why not do poker full-time? Thankfully, my business took back off in 2014 and has been extremely profitable ever since. I typically earn mid-six figures annually now, and truthfully don’t need the poker profits anymore, but I enjoy it so much that I don’t want to quit; and frankly, it’s a good fallback should the economy tank again someday.

My “short-stack system” isn’t as simple as jamming high pocket-pairs pre-flop. As a matter of fact, I almost never jam pre-flop with a pocket pair. The primary factors that play a role in my success are position, previous action, relative chip stack sizes, and pre-flop action from the OTHER players. That’s all I’m sharing for now…actually, will probably never give the system away…not unless I someday walk away from the game (unlikely).

Next trip is in a couple of weeks. I will show before and after chips stack pictures, food pics, street pics, stupid pics, funny pics…whatever looks good to share. And of course, will share exact results from each trip. I hope at least some of you enjoy it.

Here are my results since 2011 (amounts shared are NET, as in all travel expenses have already been deducted):

2011: 11 trips, +$13K
2012: 18 trips, +$28K
2013: 14 trips, +$18K
2014: 22 trips, +$39K
2015: 25 trips, +$21K
2016: 20 trips, +$41K
2017: 21 trips, +$49K
2018: 27 trips, +$64K

Due to business related commitments, I haven’t been able to take a trip yet in 2019, so next one will be the first of this year – looking forward to it! My next update will be during that trip.

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Old 02-04-2019, 01:02 PM   #2
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Wow I can't wait for the next update and more details about your system!
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Old 02-04-2019, 01:08 PM   #3
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You blew $4k, and then "started with a $10k bankroll". So where did the $10k come from?
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Old 02-04-2019, 02:59 PM   #4
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Re: Tales From The Strip

Suprised the username LasVegasRounder wasn't already taken. Sorry if people are going to come across skeptical of this whole thing. That being said it's easy to disclaim those skeptics by posting pics of your next trip. You min+50% buy-ins to $5/$10 + games, rooms of your baller suite that you pay with your mid six figures business income.

Also thanks for coming out of the shadows to contribute this type of ongoing trip report. When do you start?
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Old 02-04-2019, 04:26 PM   #5
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Re: Tales From The Strip

Lol. This is pure fiction.
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Old 02-04-2019, 04:38 PM   #6
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I would like to subscribe to your newsletter, sir.
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Old 02-04-2019, 04:44 PM   #7
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Lol. This is pure fiction.
Yes, it reads like a script. Curious what will follow...
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Old 02-04-2019, 05:31 PM   #8
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I only play NL in Vegas, from 2/5 to 10/20
So what do you do between November and January?
I can understand Vegas is pretty cold at that time of year. And why those exact dates?
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Old 02-04-2019, 05:40 PM   #9
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Isn't there a forum for blogs, or fictional daydreams, or whatever this is?
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Old 02-04-2019, 06:21 PM   #10
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When does the Masterclass get released?
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Old 02-04-2019, 07:14 PM   #11
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So what do you do between November and January?
I can understand Vegas is pretty cold at that time of year. And why those exact dates?
Very funny! But Iím not sure if Iím laughing with you or at you.
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Old 02-04-2019, 07:17 PM   #12
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Re: Tales From The Strip

2011: 11 trips, +$13K
2012: 18 trips, +$28K
2013: 14 trips, +$18K
2014: 22 trips, +$39K
2015: 25 trips, +$21K
2016: 20 trips, +$41K
2017: 21 trips, +$49K
2018: 27 trips, +$64K

Re. 2015, variance is such a b!tch.

Nonetheless, looking forward to the narrative.
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Old 02-04-2019, 07:50 PM   #13
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Re: Tales From The Strip

OP moved up to where they respected his raises.
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Old 02-04-2019, 09:50 PM   #14
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Re: Tales From The Strip

A business man flies into LV for weekend poker...sized as such by the pros...advantage talented Amateur.
Playing fresh in the cream of the week...advantage
Money is secondary set next to high income...advantage
Interest in game stays high because of limited hours
How much of his winnings comes from other weekenders?
Fiction? The writing is coherent and consistent...he’s communicating with a group that can appreciate what he’s accomplishing unlike family and friends in Peoria
I like it...please continue
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Old 02-04-2019, 10:42 PM   #15
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I just wasted 5 minutes of my life I can never have back!!!
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Old 02-04-2019, 10:56 PM   #16
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After waiting almost 2 hours, I was able to get into a 5/10 NL gameÖbought-in for $1K. Most of the rest of the table had stacks that probably averaged $2.5K. I played tight for the first couple of orbits, paying close attention to the action.

Speaking of Rounders, this whole thing reminded me a lot of:


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Old 02-05-2019, 02:09 AM   #17
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no thanks man , i like to stay away from poker players systems. whats funny is just a marginal understanding of poker makes your post transparent. congrats on the run good.
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Old 02-05-2019, 02:14 AM   #18
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Wow, a thread that starts with a Rounders quote.

That takes me back. Haven't seen one of these in ten years.
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Old 02-05-2019, 02:25 AM   #19
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Would like to hear more from the OP before considering the obvious observations regarding how sustainable such storied stipulations seem.
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Old 02-05-2019, 03:47 AM   #20
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Iím in for updates.

I think the story sounds somewhat plausible. Exploiting a weakness from players who are too arrogant to see their own weakness because they are too busy exploiting someone elseís weakness....

Either way the first post was interesting and the writing was good. Iíll tag along until I find out itís one big troll post.

Good luck OP, I hope doing an on-going trip report doesnít flip the doom switch for you.
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Old 02-05-2019, 12:44 PM   #21
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I’m sure we will get regular updates full of accurate information and record keeping! Looking forward to the journey!
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Old 02-05-2019, 01:05 PM   #22
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If somebody wants to find out if the story is legit or not, there’s exactly one place in Las Vegas that has offereded consistent 5/10 action and semi-frequent 10/20 action (outside of the WSOP) over the last 10 years and a lot of the regulars in those games that were around a couple years ago are still there.

If there was a tourist who kept coming (almost) every other weekend for years while winning 30BB+/hour at 5/10+, the regulars in that casino know exactly who that person is.
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Old 02-05-2019, 01:12 PM   #23
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If somebody wants to find out if the story is legit or not, thereís exactly one place in Las Vegas that has offereded consistent 5/10 action and semi-frequent 10/20 action (outside of the WSOP) over the last 10 years and a lot of the regulars in those games that were around a couple years ago are still there.

If there was a tourist who kept coming (almost) every other weekend for years while winning 30BB+/hour at 5/10+, the regulars in that casino know exactly who that person is.
Yes, good thinking Lex.

Now somebody walk over to Bellagio to get some answers. I would do it but 9000 miles away.
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Old 02-05-2019, 01:40 PM   #24
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Yes, good thinking Lex.

Now somebody walk over to Bellagio to get some answers. I would do it but 9000 miles away.
My anonymity while in LV is too important to me to risk losing. The two previous posts show how naive I was being in thinking I could share 20+ annual trip reports while remaining anonymous or drawing unwanted attention to myself while out there. Live and learn, I suppose.

I fold.

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Old 02-05-2019, 02:05 PM   #25
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My anonymity while in LV is too important to me to risk losing. The two previous posts show how naive I was being in thinking I could share 20+ annual trip reports while remaining anonymous or drawing unwanted attention to myself while out there. Live and learn, I suppose.

I fold.
Wow, that's such a shame. You seriously had some great writing skills. Is it an idea you bundle your work and you publish under fiction so your identity keeps secret. Don't let your gifted hands go to waiste!

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