Lack of fish in southern California? I refuse to accept this. Most degenerates never leave. Some of the fish do start buying in short though, but if they suckout and run up a stack then you've found yourself a gold mine.

This has been one of my biggest leaks this year. I probably call too much on the river, in general. But I know I've been calling a ridiculous amount against guys who just don't value bet without the goods.

Agreed on $100 being way too low. In my last 4500 hours, primarily at 2/5 with a $37 hourly, my standard deviation is $337.

Really?

The economy economy is probably as good as it's going to get for a while. If you're waiting for the economy to get better in hopes that poker will be better, that's probably futile.

The poker economy is reverting to its pre-2003 equilibrium, so that's probably the contraction you're seeing.

Good news for our OP, the 20/40 limit games at Bellagio were really good with a couple of exceptions day shift mornings. The 80/160 mix was declared "outstanding or better than that" by the guys we know playing it. Once he learns how to game select across multiple formats, life will be good. The S/8 and OE games are always good during the series.
In the entire history of poker, it has sucked to try to go pro at the lowest level possible to pay rent. Why? In part because you can never move down. If you're a 1/2 pro, have a bad week, you then do what? Apply at a car wash? If you're 3 steps up the ladder, you have some options. You can move down a step to a game you'll absolutely crush, help your BR, gain confidence, and then move back up.

It also stands that if you go pro at the lowest level, you can't really have a long track record as a proven winner. Thus, your chances of running hot for a short while vs. being an actual crusher tend to point in a bad direction. If you're someone who has crushed up a few steps of the ladder and makes so much playing poker that your day job "isn't worth it", the odds are more in your favor.

Eeeew, limitard.

not to be a dick but if the bolded is true then you definitely aren't too good.
you should work on your deep stacked game.
a cookie cutter strategy is fine for low stakes 100 bb nl, but the deeper you sit the more important it is to actually be good.

Until the online games are legal again in the states it won’t improve. My play hasn’t worsensed since 2010 but I certainly find I don’t win nearly as often anymore even though I no longer keep track since I only play a few times a year. My win percentage from 2008 to 2010 was 71% in 1-2 sessions. At one point from August 2008 to December 2008 I won 10,000$. That is almost comical that any human can win 71% of the time in a casino game, even when it’s against other players and not the house directly. I would guess the last 4-4 years even only playing at most 25-30 times I’ve won less than 50% of the time. So it’s clear more decent players are out there now

To the poster above, your sample size is really small and probably all attributed to variance.

With that being said, it's common sense to assume the games have probably gotten tougher since 2010. Just less of the newbie fish entering the game and donking their staff off. Now the fish are usually just semi bad regs that you can keep exploiting session after session.

Its amazing that these bad regs keep showing up day after day. Because of this, calygipan is right, the game has hit an equilibrium that loojs like will last for a long time.

Is it true the games in vegas are very bad now compared to say 2012? Back then when i played there for a few months, i mostly played 1/3 at wynn and caesars. The games there were damn soft at caesars. Very rarely would there be say more than 2 players who i say are competent... if they were they were tight. The wynn i recalled had quite a number of regs at 2/5 i notice and some played 1/3 as well waiting for 2/5. The players at wynn were particularly stronger than anywhere else at 1/3... but again this was back in 2012.


Are the games in vegas pretty bad now even at say 1/2 and 1/3 now? I have to imagine 2/5 is probably mostly regs during the day and at night, its probably half regs? Of course it could be bad reg as well but any reg at the table isn't good for you. The thing is it seemed like most poker pros in vegas are 2/5 pros right? Since if you check bravo, seems like very few 5/10 games if any and if so, its max 1 table.


And i thought the games in 2012 were pretty bad because there were definitely competent players at 1/3 at wynn.


Im also curious about winrates now. Are solid regs getting 30/hr at 1/3? Obviously if they are solid, they dont play 1/3 for long and move up to 2/5. With so many regs in vegas, i can't imagine there are that many players even making 50/hr right? Im also curious what would be the winrate of those tight players. Are solid average players at 2/5 making around 5bb or 25/hr still or they might even be close to breakeven.


Now those of you who play in vegas, would you say the play there is considerably different than say at borgata or florida or the east coast? The last time i was at borgats was maybe 2012. And when i played 1/2nl few times there, there weren't exactly that many bad players there compared to vegas. So when i played some poker in vegas, i thought, these tables are much better than borgata. However, from reading threads here, it seems like vegas is probably the worst place now for 1/2 and 1/3 and 2/5 compared to everyone else? However, you would say that statement would not be true say back in 2012 right? Because the play at borgata vs say venetian or caesars etc... there certainly wasn't that many bad players at borgata.