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08-25-2021 , 12:22 PM
madrobin is basically just listing all the reasons why he is where he is.

Actually if you read closely, there is a lot of truth on how someone can have a glass ceiling that low.

Beyond that, just stalk squid.
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08-25-2021 , 12:44 PM
GL, tooneylunes! I look forward to following your journey. If you ever do make it down to Texas to try out some of our soft games, hit me up! I'd be happy to show you around Houston and provide a place to stay. We Texans apparently have a bad rep (based on some of the comments in this thread), but I assure you that you can't beat the southern hospitality we provide!
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08-25-2021 , 02:01 PM
jesus... this thread got 'Wordy'.
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08-25-2021 , 02:21 PM
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08-26-2021 , 04:09 AM
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Thank you!
I left a very good financially secure job for this.
The EV is probably negative, but as I approach becoming 30 years old I told myself now or never.

We'll see how it goes...
I love this , I turned 27 today and my goal to give it one last push live afetr all this covid nonsense has blown away and move to Melbourne to chase the dream and who knows hopefully oneday VEGAS!
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08-26-2021 , 10:43 AM
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Good luck. You sound pretty realistic and if you can make the adjustments and be disciplined (and don't find live too boring) you'll do fine.

Edit to add: Make sure you make some friends (non-poker hopefully) so you have a social life outside poker. A lot of grinders make poker their only job/hobby/social thing 24/7 and become burnt out.
Hey, thanks for the support and very good advice. Appreciate it.

Personally I find the life stories of others and just general chatting pretty interesting so I think I would be fine with the boredom part, but who knows. Sometimes when I watch the poker vlogs the players at the table all seems so....depressed lol.

I recently watched a mynameiskarl(upswing coach and online crusher) video on YT and he described the non-linear growth aspect of poker i.e. (we lose money despite hard work). Due to this he said it was really important to find something other than poker, that has some type of linear growth in your life. I think I'm going to start to get back at it in fitness and find another entirely new hobby to find friends/join communities. For some reason gardening really interests me now maybe because I never understood why people would do that as a hobby (lol).
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08-26-2021 , 10:45 AM
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GL, tooneylunes! I look forward to following your journey. If you ever do make it down to Texas to try out some of our soft games, hit me up! I'd be happy to show you around Houston and provide a place to stay. We Texans apparently have a bad rep (based on some of the comments in this thread), but I assure you that you can't beat the southern hospitality we provide!
Haha thanks, Ive never been down there but never heard bad things about it (until this thread). Recently my family is thinking about moving to Austin so I might spend a lot more time there....
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08-26-2021 , 10:46 AM
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08-26-2021 , 10:47 AM
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I love this , I turned 27 today and my goal to give it one last push live afetr all this covid nonsense has blown away and move to Melbourne to chase the dream and who knows hopefully oneday VEGAS!
Thanks! GL to you too! Hope to see you someday in Vegas!
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08-26-2021 , 01:19 PM
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Wasn't emotional in reality just the words that Ive articulated could've been perceived as emotional and premature. Been through a lot more as an asian born in the states and then going back to Asia looking like an Asian but inside really isn't.

I guess this discussion is meaningless until I actually do it and I'll be sure to write my experience on here whether I succeed or not.
Well, good luck.
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08-26-2021 , 01:31 PM
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Hey, thanks for the support and very good advice. Appreciate it.

Personally I find the life stories of others and just general chatting pretty interesting so I think I would be fine with the boredom part, but who knows. Sometimes when I watch the poker vlogs the players at the table all seems so....depressed lol.

I recently watched a mynameiskarl(upswing coach and online crusher) video on YT and he described the non-linear growth aspect of poker i.e. (we lose money despite hard work). Due to this he said it was really important to find something other than poker, that has some type of linear growth in your life. I think I'm going to start to get back at it in fitness and find another entirely new hobby to find friends/join communities. For some reason gardening really interests me now maybe because I never understood why people would do that as a hobby (lol).
Gardening is challenging in Las Vegas. However, if you can provide decent soil, shade and water, there are really a few things that would thrive. Ask yourself if your time horizon for a hobby long enough for gardening ? It takes literally years.

A sports activity, such as golf (which I don't play), is very popular here and is readily available.

Cycling may be good as it can be social, has a community that seems active here, and has fitness-related benefits. Same goes for hiking the hills and canyons in the area.
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08-26-2021 , 01:47 PM
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Haha thanks, Ive never been down there but never heard bad things about it (until this thread). Recently my family is thinking about moving to Austin so I might spend a lot more time there....
Austin is definitely cool but it's getting kind of crowded! A lot of people flocking there and there's not much land to the city. I'm not super familiar with the poker scene there but I know it's up and running!
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08-26-2021 , 11:09 PM
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Gardening is challenging in Las Vegas. However, if you can provide decent soil, shade and water, there are really a few things that would thrive. Ask yourself if your time horizon for a hobby long enough for gardening ? It takes literally years.

A sports activity, such as golf (which I don't play), is very popular here and is readily available.

Cycling may be good as it can be social, has a community that seems active here, and has fitness-related benefits. Same goes for hiking the hills and canyons in the area.
Hm thanks for the advice.
The time horizon being very long is also one of the reasons why Im kinda interested. Ive never really had the time and patience so far in my life to do this type of activity. Past five years have just been 80hrs/week of work / a lot of drinking nights and I want to do something thats peaceful and comforting.

Golf is definitely something that I will try (the pinnacle of not understanding the entertainment of it until you actually start to play I heard) and cycling sounds cool too. I have a 3k road bike in Japan that I have to throw away......
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08-26-2021 , 11:28 PM
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Hey, thanks for the support and very good advice. Appreciate it.
GL. Hope to you run into in Vegas. I visit quite a bit and may relocate there (cost of living reasons, not poker).

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Personally I find the life stories of others and just general chatting pretty interesting so I think I would be fine with the boredom part, but who knows.
Social games are the best part about live poker and really helps to make it enjoyable. An under-discussed aspect about poker strategy is that social games tend to be looser games (think home games). You'll see losing whales rebuy in a couple times (despite knowing better) because the table has been fun and friendly. Inversely, quiet games tend to be tight. There's this subconscious tendency of players to play tighter when the table isn't talkative.

Of course, you'll find the odd degen who prefers people don't talk at all.

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Sometimes when I watch the poker vlogs the players at the table all seems so....depressed lol.
That's the down mental side about grinding. Sometimes when not running good the game can wear you down mentally (the downswings in live can be brutal - you don't have multi-tabling to even out the variance).

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For some reason gardening really interests me now maybe because I never understood why people would do that as a hobby (lol).
Been thinking the same to work on my patience. The only thing I can grow are cactus and weeds (not the fun kind).

If you're into outdoors and hiking S Nevada is a good base to explore the US SW. Grand Canyon and a couple of beautiful national parks are just a couple hours drive away.
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08-27-2021 , 12:58 AM
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GL. Hope to you run into in Vegas. I visit quite a bit and may relocate there (cost of living reasons, not poker).
Yeah I always love meeting new people if you come in town I'd be glad to meet you!

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Social games are the best part about live poker and really helps to make it enjoyable. An under-discussed aspect about poker strategy is that social games tend to be looser games (think home games). You'll see losing whales rebuy in a couple times (despite knowing better) because the table has been fun and friendly. Inversely, quiet games tend to be tight. There's this subconscious tendency of players to play tighter when the table isn't talkative.
I agree. Whenever I play live I try to engage with more people. Three years ago at the WSOP I was at a dull table; there was a grumpy old white man who bluffed me off second pair with a jam on the river and I went over to him to give him a hug (I had a few drinks) and after that the table was insane. Not only did it become very loose but it was just simply a lot of fun everyone ****ing around with each other.

Of course I saw the other side of live poker too though. (arrogant *******s belittling the nits, young kids tilting and throwing cards at others...)


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Been thinking the same to work on my patience. The only thing I can grow are cactus and weeds (not the fun kind).

If you're into outdoors and hiking S Nevada is a good base to explore the US SW. Grand Canyon and a couple of beautiful national parks are just a couple hours drive away.
Thanks for tips! Im very excited to explore those parts of the area.
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08-27-2021 , 10:13 AM
Be careful about playing too low for very long. 1/2 and 2/5 NL are a trap not because they can't be beat (they can be beat almost trivially) but because they really don't pay a wage you can live on, at least with the lifestyle most players want to live. I would be very cautious of any game where you can't not just break even but get ahead on 1 big bet (FL), or 5 big blinds (NL) per hour. because if you're not getting ahead and building a roll, you're setting yourself up for financial disaster with an unexpected expense.

That means IF you play a 40 hour week (most players can't bring themselves to) then 20/40L and 5/10NL are the smallest games worth looking at. The limit is softer than the NL in Vegas definitely so even if you're 100% NL right now, you need to consider making limit part of the plan eventually.

But playing 2/5 (where any decent play should be able to make $25/h) is a trap. Yes, it's 50K/year, but you have lots of expenses a normal employed person lacks - heath insurance, self employment tax, lack of paid vacation etc. So it's really not good at all. Playing 5/10NL, where you might clear $100,000/year, is enough you could build a bankroll if you don't live high on the hog. And of course 10/20NL+ and 40/80L+ is where you want to end up.

Time spent at 1/2 or 2/5 is basically practice for the real thing.
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08-27-2021 , 11:51 AM
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Be careful about playing too low for very long. 1/2 and 2/5 NL are a trap not because they can't be beat (they can be beat almost trivially) but because they really don't pay a wage you can live on, at least with the lifestyle most players want to live. I would be very cautious of any game where you can't not just break even but get ahead on 1 big bet (FL), or 5 big blinds (NL) per hour. because if you're not getting ahead and building a roll, you're setting yourself up for financial disaster with an unexpected expense.

That means IF you play a 40 hour week (most players can't bring themselves to) then 20/40L and 5/10NL are the smallest games worth looking at. The limit is softer than the NL in Vegas definitely so even if you're 100% NL right now, you need to consider making limit part of the plan eventually.

But playing 2/5 (where any decent play should be able to make $25/h) is a trap. Yes, it's 50K/year, but you have lots of expenses a normal employed person lacks - heath insurance, self employment tax, lack of paid vacation etc. So it's really not good at all. Playing 5/10NL, where you might clear $100,000/year, is enough you could build a bankroll if you don't live high on the hog. And of course 10/20NL+ and 40/80L+ is where you want to end up.

Time spent at 1/2 or 2/5 is basically practice for the real thing.
What's up SplawnDarts. Thanks for the advice; this is very real.
I will start out at the 2/5 level just to adapt to the live scene and (hopefully) boost my confidence a little bit. But to follow your advice if I do get good results at 2/5 I will move up to 5/10 ASAP (within 3 months I hope). Obviously going back and forth depending on the games as well.

BTW if anyone has any advice about health insurance I would appreciate it. I started looking at some sites and medicare but honestly have no idea about the US health insurance market right now...
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08-29-2021 , 01:17 AM
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Austin is definitely cool but it's getting kind of crowded! A lot of people flocking there and there's not much land to the city. I'm not super familiar with the poker scene there but I know it's up and running!
Austin is the least repulsive of Texas' cities. It is actually in an attractive setting (very rare for Texas), has a vibrant cultural scene (very, very, very rare for Texas), and its politics lean liberal (otherwise unheard of for Texas). If someone banished me to Texas, I'd still shoot myself, but I'd go to Austin to do it.

My second favorite Texas city is El Paso. I like the multicultural vibe of the place; of course, its large Hispanic population is why many people absolutely hate it, to the point where they'll drive 700 miles to shoot up a Wal Mart.

Many people are telling me that as the Vegas poker scene dries up, the place to play these days is Texas. The overall intellect of the state that elected Governor Abbott suggests that the games might indeed be very easy. I'd love to read some trip reports. Also, I know that carrying a gun is mandatory in Texas, but what kind and how much ammo?
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08-29-2021 , 01:25 AM
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What's up SplawnDarts. Thanks for the advice; this is very real.
I will start out at the 2/5 level just to adapt to the live scene and (hopefully) boost my confidence a little bit. But to follow your advice if I do get good results at 2/5 I will move up to 5/10 ASAP (within 3 months I hope). Obviously going back and forth depending on the games as well.

BTW if anyone has any advice about health insurance I would appreciate it. I started looking at some sites and medicare but honestly have no idea about the US health insurance market right now...
I'm assuming you're a US citizen. (If not, there basically is no health insurance market for you to utilize.) The most accessible health insurance option would be to enroll in an Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) exchange. You'd have to select a state for your official residence and be prepared to wait until the next open enrollment period.

You could also go shopping yourself. Most insurance plans are state-specific. if you plan to be in Vegas for an extended period, it makes sense to find a provider based there. This will be considerably more expensive than an Obamacare plan, but you would be able to get coverage almost immediately.

As you're young, a high-deductible limited coverage plan would be best. A plan with, say, a $5,000 deductible would be pretty cheap and would insure you against a disastrously large medical bill; you could fade smaller costs out of your bankroll.
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08-29-2021 , 12:04 PM
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Austin is the least repulsive of Texas' cities. It is actually in an attractive setting (very rare for Texas), has a vibrant cultural scene (very, very, very rare for Texas), and its politics lean liberal (otherwise unheard of for Texas). If someone banished me to Texas, I'd still shoot myself, but I'd go to Austin to do it.

My second favorite Texas city is El Paso. I like the multicultural vibe of the place; of course, its large Hispanic population is why many people absolutely hate it, to the point where they'll drive 700 miles to shoot up a Wal Mart.

Many people are telling me that as the Vegas poker scene dries up, the place to play these days is Texas. The overall intellect of the state that elected Governor Abbott suggests that the games might indeed be very easy. I'd love to read some trip reports. Also, I know that carrying a gun is mandatory in Texas, but what kind and how much ammo?
If you are the only player at the table who doesn't know what kind of gun to bring, you are the target.
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08-29-2021 , 02:18 PM
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Austin is the least repulsive of Texas' cities. It is actually in an attractive setting (very rare for Texas), has a vibrant cultural scene (very, very, very rare for Texas), and its politics lean liberal (otherwise unheard of for Texas). If someone banished me to Texas, I'd still shoot myself, but I'd go to Austin to do it...

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What a moronic, self-aggrandizing posture, but, go around spouting off crap like that and there is a good chance someone in Texas will save you the bother.
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08-29-2021 , 03:49 PM
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What a moronic, self-aggrandizing posture, but, go around spouting off crap like that and there is a good chance someone in Texas will save you the bother.
Maybe a toddler, as Texas culture dictates that children are given their first guns when they turn three.

Don't doze off during a sermon in Texas; the pastor is packing and may have a short temper.
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08-29-2021 , 03:52 PM
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If you are the only player at the table who doesn't know what kind of gun to bring, you are the target.
What's the etiquette on that for dinner parties and such? Shoulder holster, gun belt, or just carry it in your pocket?

Was it a Texas town that made it illegal to NOT own a gun?

Anyway, Texas might be a fun place to play poker, especially if the bad beat "jackpot" is a slug between the eyes.
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08-29-2021 , 04:26 PM
madrobin, seriously what is your problem?
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08-29-2021 , 04:36 PM
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madrobin, seriously what is your problem?
he's garbage. reporting does nothing either
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