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09-08-2021 , 02:17 PM
When are you arriving in Vegas? Sounds like early October. I'll be in Vegas in early October for about 10 days and then in early November for 10 more days. Looking forward to playing some 2/5 against you.
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09-20-2021 , 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by madrobin
6. The overall skill level of your opponents will be higher than online. Yes, yes, I know everyone here can slaughter the live 1/2 and 1/3 games and in fact, it's considered here to be a mark of weakness to confine yourself to those games. But the thing is---there just aren't as many idiots playing as there used to be. Almost everyone there is at least somewhat competent. And that skill level increases with the stakes. 5/10 games are played at the expert level, with very few exceptions.
Lets be very clear about this, live 5/10 games are NOT played at the expert level anywhere. Im guessing you havent played with any legitimately good poker players.
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09-20-2021 , 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by SplawnDarts
Be careful about playing too low for very long. 1/2 and 2/5 NL are a trap not because they can't be beat (they can be beat almost trivially) but because they really don't pay a wage you can live on, at least with the lifestyle most players want to live. I would be very cautious of any game where you can't not just break even but get ahead on 1 big bet (FL), or 5 big blinds (NL) per hour. because if you're not getting ahead and building a roll, you're setting yourself up for financial disaster with an unexpected expense.

That means IF you play a 40 hour week (most players can't bring themselves to) then 20/40L and 5/10NL are the smallest games worth looking at. The limit is softer than the NL in Vegas definitely so even if you're 100% NL right now, you need to consider making limit part of the plan eventually.

But playing 2/5 (where any decent play should be able to make $25/h) is a trap. Yes, it's 50K/year, but you have lots of expenses a normal employed person lacks - heath insurance, self employment tax, lack of paid vacation etc. So it's really not good at all. Playing 5/10NL, where you might clear $100,000/year, is enough you could build a bankroll if you don't live high on the hog. And of course 10/20NL+ and 40/80L+ is where you want to end up.

Time spent at 1/2 or 2/5 is basically practice for the real thing.

Very very true. Although I would say fixed limit of any stakes is a trap and its best to avoid it. Limit is definitely easier for the stakes, but the structure of the game just doesnt punish people for the error of being too loose.
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09-24-2021 , 03:52 PM
I saw that someone mentioned the Healthcare Marketplace as your only option for health insurance. They usually open up in November for registration - here is the link so that you can do more research https://www.healthcare.gov/

I think you are coming to Vegas at a great time with the WSOP and many other series starting. There is going to be a lot of action. I recently made the transition to full time player myself. My situation is not the same but I had a lot of the same questions that you had. The most important thing that I think will matter is that you are responsible with your money and manage it well. Feel free to PM me if you want to meet up and chat over a meal/drink or want a study buddy.
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09-24-2021 , 06:43 PM
Definitely not the only option. Best option? Maybe maybe not. Also for citizen moving from a foreign country it is a qualifying event. So open enrollment period does not apply. He can not only immediately apply but the coverage also starts now not next year. Which was also previously discussed.
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09-26-2021 , 11:25 PM
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I saw that someone mentioned the Healthcare Marketplace as your only option for health insurance. They usually open up in November for registration - here is the link so that you can do more research https://www.healthcare.gov/

I think you are coming to Vegas at a great time with the WSOP and many other series starting. There is going to be a lot of action. I recently made the transition to full time player myself. My situation is not the same but I had a lot of the same questions that you had. The most important thing that I think will matter is that you are responsible with your money and manage it well. Feel free to PM me if you want to meet up and chat over a meal/drink or want a study buddy.
Hey whats up. Thanks for the advice!
Are you located in Vegas? GL with your journey!
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09-27-2021 , 05:44 AM
Are you in the US yet tooney?
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10-03-2021 , 06:21 AM
Not sure if it has been asked here but how are you planning to live in the USA visa wise? Are you only planning to stay 3 months?
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10-03-2021 , 08:32 AM
Post 102. He’s a US Citizen.
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10-04-2021 , 07:19 AM
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i played like 200k hands of 200z on bovada last year
What was your winrate at 200z?
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10-04-2021 , 05:40 PM
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What was your winrate at 200z?

somewhere between 6-7 bb/100
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10-05-2021 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by madrobin
Temper, temper. I was merely trying to warn you that you're, er, at least the second or third player to be winning in some (weaker) poker environment and conclude that he can now barrel into Vegas and whup everyone's ass.

I don't know what you mean by calling me a "nit reg" based on a few posts I've made, but if you think that you have more manliness than me and you play and win a lot of pots because YER SO DANG AWESOME, well, so be it. I hope you're right.

"You'll probably get your ass kicked, as countless hometown heroes have before" can be interpreted as "pessimistic" if you wish. I call it realistic, just as "If you jump off that roof, you'll probably hit the ground" is realistic.

But heck, as you say, you're young. And young people have to try to prove themselves. So go for it. You're going to lose, but as you say, you can reset everything when that happens and go back to regular life. Only by experience will you learn that winning at live mid-stakes Vegas poker is like taking candy from a gorilla.

You'll probably never be able to estimate, ten years down the road, how much further along you'd be if you hadn't taken a year off to try your poker experiment and blow your life bankroll. But that's along the lines of when you tell your kid not to touch the stove, it's hot and you'll burn yourself. Some learning just has to come from experience.

And BTW I have played online in the past, but after two deposits vanished into thin air along with the companies running the sites, I concluded that only a fool would play online--an environment with no oversight and usually, no recourse for the player. But I don't see how whether I have played online or not has anything to do with your potential success or failure in Vegas.
Nodding my head in total agreement with everything you said. $60K today not lost on Vegas dreams is equal to 10x-15x that amount wisely invested. But I’m just a 48yr old nit working in the finance industry and playing mid-stakes poker as a serious hobby. The lost time value of money at a young age makes this dream that much more of a risk
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10-05-2021 , 04:31 PM
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Although I would say fixed limit of any stakes is a trap and its best to avoid it. Limit is definitely easier for the stakes, but the structure of the game just doesnt punish people for the error of being too loose.
Your goal as a pro is not to "punish people" - it's to make money. Many limit games, especially non-holdem, offer very attractive hourly rates for a good player with limited variance.

It's not uncommon in mixed games for a good player to have an expectation of 2-3 big bets per hour, especially if the table is short handed. So at 40-80 you're looking at $160-240/hour. That's the equivalent of $320K to $480K per year if you could make a full time go of it. Which you can't, but 40-80 or bigger mix runs quite a bit.

That kind of money is not a "trap" - it's the objective of playing for a living.
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10-05-2021 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by SplawnDarts
Your goal as a pro is not to "punish people" - it's to make money. Many limit games, especially non-holdem, offer very attractive hourly rates for a good player with limited variance.

It's not uncommon in mixed games for a good player to have an expectation of 2-3 big bets per hour, especially if the table is short handed. So at 40-80 you're looking at $160-240/hour. That's the equivalent of $320K to $480K per year if you could make a full time go of it. Which you can't, but 40-80 or bigger mix runs quite a bit.

That kind of money is not a "trap" - it's the objective of playing for a living.
While edges are large with noobs playing mix, dunno about 3 big bets an hour in most lineups…Swings are pretty large in live mix due to the limited hands per hour and natural variance…how many Badacey hands are you getting in an hour, as well as any time you have capped big bets if you lose a couple of flips…
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10-05-2021 , 06:50 PM
My point is simply that a skilled player could easily put themselves in say the top 2% of US individual incomes simply by skillfully playing all the 40-80 and 80-160 mix you could get a Bellagio.

The same could be said for holdem, but the skill level required is higher.

There are much shittier things you could do with your career than play limit.
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10-06-2021 , 12:00 AM
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My point is simply that a skilled player could easily put themselves in say the top 2% of US individual incomes simply by skillfully playing all the 40-80 and 80-160 mix you could get a Bellagio.

The same could be said for holdem, but the skill level required is higher.

There are much shittier things you could do with your career than play limit
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Deliver lollipops ?
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10-07-2021 , 01:40 PM
Where is OP? Did he ever make it out to Vegas?
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10-29-2021 , 11:19 PM
Good luck bro
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11-01-2021 , 08:30 PM
busto
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01-15-2022 , 04:13 PM
Best of luck! Hoping to see an update on this.

I've always found the vegas 5/10+ games to be fairly tough. But I'd assume the difficulty levels off as you move up.
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01-16-2022 , 03:44 AM
Calling OP Come in OP......

Be a shame if all of that popcorn munching was for nothing.....
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01-16-2022 , 06:34 PM
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Calling OP Come in OP......

Be a shame if all of that popcorn munching was for nothing.....
OP:

"Poker (Pro) Starting in Vegas
Hi, my name is Andrew and Ive been living in Japan for the last few years.
Ive decided to take a shot at poker and will be moving to Henderson next month.

Ive grinded solely pokerstars online for the past year and became struggling 25NLz reg to 100NLz winner (2.5BBs/200000 hands). I have about 600-800 hours of live poker experience in Vegas/LA/Asia.

My current liferoll is around 60K and am going to start out as a 2/5 grinder, hopefully ending up grinding 5/10 very soon, and am aspiring to go higher than that.

I have rented a house in Henderson from a well known friend of mine for 500 USD/month plus utilities..."


Suspicion....:

Don't hold your breath waiting for an update from Andrew.

Hopefully, he is somewhere that he can go back to grinding Stars.

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