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02-16-2018 , 11:22 AM
To everyone asking about the sleep aid, I posted it above but maybe it was missed- it's Doc Parsley's sleep remedy. You can google it.
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02-16-2018 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by leon
No drawings- there's one coming up at the end of Feb. I actually don't think I'm running below EV there, I've never earned that many pts. My dad very well may be. Since my last two trips were not during any of those events, I've noticed a definite lack of douchebag-ness. For instance, the old villain from Nov was nowhere to be found. So if it keeps annoying humans to a minimum I'm ok with no promos or tournaments going on when I'm there.
You may be onto something about trying to time your trips to specifically occur when there are no drawings, in hopes of avoiding the jerk quotient.
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02-16-2018 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by leon
This is actually an important topic and warrants a detailed response. Clearly there's going to be a wide range of opinions out there and I can't profess to know the "right" answer any better than anyone else. Here's a little background of getting my wife and her family to be on board gambling, as well as the rationale why I THINK my approach with my kids has merit-

My wife and I met in college and basically the shortest way to put it is she rapidly got introduced to the facts that I was an avid gamer (esp games with uncertain info like spades, hearts, etc), and that I had quite a bit of experience hanging around "seedy" places, doing seedy things (eg hustling pool, darts, etc). Call it a product of a partially misspent youth, this was pretty common in Taiwan where I went to high school. In any case, we used to play spades all day and all night and me and one of my friends basically never lost. At some point we weren't allowed to play on the same team or had to give the other team a significant spot. So she rapidly got comfortable with the idea that when it came to games, I pretty much knew what I was talking about, and wasn't simply some naive person who won 5$ playing pool and thought he was a world-beater. I instilled in her the idea that if you have an edge on someone, and you take advantage of that edge long enough, you're going to win. I didn't play poker at the time but this concept of "getting the best of it" was already there. I also playing Magic the Gathering and had a huge collection that I mostly assembled through hard work- I had the most valuable versions of all the cards (Beta power 9 for old players), 4 Juzam Djinns, etc- mostly won through tournaments or traded up for (I'll give you my 5$ card for your 6$, oh I'll give YOU this 6$ card for your 7$, etc). All this is to say she had ample evidence of the fact that I was responsible financially and totally willing to grind things out when I thought I had an edge.

I moved to Boston in 1999 for medical school and started playing online poker pretty soon afterwards- man, those were the days. I learned pretty fast and was totally poised to take advantage of the Moneymaker boom. Even before the boom poker was partially paying for med school and frequent flights (she lived in Dallas and we had a long distance relationship for 4 yrs). So at this point she completely trusted me, especially bc at that time I was a total nit that wouldn't bet 5$ on blackjack bc it was -EV. She's seen me grow my roll bit by bit and constantly make +EV decisions, and even got into poker herself- her height was multi-tabling 3/6 limit. We also had a twice-weekly home game in Boston that was just tons of fun- we played mix, omaha, etc- games at the time you basically couldn't find anywhere else.

Her family was a different story- her dad married her mom relatively late in life, and he was a child of the Depression. So her family was definitely raised with an "every penny counts" mentality and gambling was seen as a waste of money at best. They're great in laws in the sense that they never tried to change me, or forbid her from being with me, but I know on some level they disapproved. The fact is my poker roll helped pay for her ring and the down payment on our first home, so that helped a lot. Unfortunately her dad died in 2005 and he never even got to see us get married, but I guess he's never gotten to see me degen in casinos either. Her mom has slowly come around over the years and while I'm not sure she approves per se, she's at least comfortable with it. She's seen us together over 20 yrs together and I haven't f uc k ed over the family finances, so...

Now, to my kids. The way I see it is, gambling exists. Fact, not going to change. Forbidding people from doing stuff they want to do rarely works and often has the opposite effect. My kids have already been exposed and know-
- there's such a thing as gambling, and
- multiple members of their family partake and enjoy it

I think that horse has long ago left that barn. I can't stop them from gambling and I'm not going to be able to control them forever. So I think the most responsible thing to do is to teach them to be a responsible gambler. They've got plenty of examples and I've got plenty I can teach them. The worst thing I can do is to introduce them to gambling, BUT not give them the tools they'll need to make smart decisions. After that I just have to hope they don't have a disease.

Anyways, sorry for the long-winded post but I figured I should give a complete answer. I hope I'm right.
Enioyed the TRs very much. You've mentioned that you are from Taiwan, gambling is just in the Chinese genes. Haha, j/k. I've witnessed some quasi degen actions by an old Taiwanese gentlemen at MGM about 15 years ago; I can share that story if anyone is interested. Don't want to thread jack of course.

As mentioned earlier before, hope your kid's first go at gambling isn't a win so that they don't get hooked.

Happy New Year.

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02-16-2018 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by jim88hk
Enioyed the TRs very much. You've mentioned that you are from Taiwan, gambling is just in the Chinese genes. Haha, j/k. I've witnessed some quasi degen actions by an old Taiwanese gentlemen at MGM about 15 years ago; I can share that story if anyone is interested. Don't want to thread jack of course.

As mentioned earlier before, hope your kid's first go at gambling isn't a win so that they don't get hooked.

Happy New Year.

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Yes, let's hear the stories! I've got nothing to post until my next TR anyways.

Part of me does feel it's futile to try and stop gambling bc yes, it's in their blood Then again, my mom and my brother aren't big gamblers. I'd say it's about 50/50 in my extended family- I've got an uncle who has bet the horses in NY for probably 5 decades and family who would regularly travel to Foxwoods, but also other relatives who think gambling is a total waste of money generally and that my dad and I are real degens specifically.
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02-16-2018 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by leon
Yes, let's hear the stories! I've got nothing to post until my next TR anyways.

Part of me does feel it's futile to try and stop gambling bc yes, it's in their blood Then again, my mom and my brother aren't big gamblers. I'd say it's about 50/50 in my extended family- I've got an uncle who has bet the horses in NY for probably 5 decades and family who would regularly travel to Foxwoods, but also other relatives who think gambling is a total waste of money generally and that my dad and I are real degens specifically.
So here it goes, sorry for the long story. Happens when I was still in college so about 16 years ago. Sat night at the MGM sitting at the $10 Pai Gow table (hungover and lost enough already so I was just playing the min to kill time and get free drinks on the last night) when an older Chinese lady sat down and started betting few hundred a hand. Being for that particular game and an older Asian lady it's just a norm for that kind of bet, so I didn't think much about it. Few hands later she kept losing and she up her bet to 1-2K a hand; still the norm so nothing special. Time goes by she lost all the chips (about 10K) in front of her so she started digging inside her purse and pulled out a few pink chips to change out. They look like the 500 chip but a bit bigger, still didn't think much about it. The lady doesn't speak English and since I am the only other Chinese person at the table I helped her translate to the dealer that she wants to break the chip down. I was sitting 5 seats away so I couldn't see what chip it is but when the dealer grab it towards him he stopped for like a whole minute didn't know what to do. Called the pit boss over and ask the lady again if she wants to break it down and she says yes. Next thing I heard was dealer saying changing 250 thousand; this lady was carrying over a million dollars worth of chips on her. Everyone at the table looked at each other and was like...OK? Game resumes and she kept losing so she wasn't in a good mood. Moments passed her husband stops by and she was telling him how terrible luck she was having. The husband then puts down few million dollars worth of chips that he was holding in his hands casually and first question to the pit boss was if they can raise the max. They said no so he sat down and just started playing 10K a hand two handed. To a college kid like me I was like, WTF...I played my $10 bet for like another hour and just watched this very polite Taiwanese guy go at it. At that time there were multiple pit bosses watching his play and everyone at the table was just rooting for him. It's strange that I didn't even care if I win 10 bucks or not, I just want to see this guy wins. I lost my last hundo and didn't see the result, but I think he was up about 300K at that time. It's funny that this is just a normal table out in the open so they don't have enough chips in the tray for his play; they have to fill it a few times since he kept winning while showing zero emotion.

Anyway, not sure if that is considered a degen story but it's pretty wild to witness as a poor college kid. Haha.

For me, I've seen my own dad "donated" quite a few bucks to the HK Jockey Club when I was a kid. And when he tells him to don't gamble once I grew up it really has the opposite effect. However I think in your case it's different because you are showing your kids how to be smart about it. And if their first taste is a win, it can get out of hand. Haha. Of course my wife told me it's my fault since one time I've put in 100 bucks at one of those progressive slot machines for her to play and she walked away winning 2K or so; it's her first time to play bet max. The next trip, I've seen her feeding well over 2K into those machines and walked away empty handed. I guess thats how we get free rooms at the Cosmos. Haha.





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02-16-2018 , 01:43 PM
Thanks for the elaborate reply as a pro gambler( i used to be upset if i bet 5$ on bj in the past) then played some games like 10k a hand bj /5k a spin on roulette in order to abuse discount(comp) systems, my opinion would be to teach them how to be clever with the games but not be a degen/superstitious about anything and explain them the loss part of gambling explicitly.
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02-16-2018 , 07:17 PM
As always, another 10/10 trip report. Thanks, Leon!

Came across this on YouTube today.

I don't think I have EVER seen someone draw a Royal on anything bigger than a 10 play machine.

Here is one on a 25 Play machine..too bad it was only nicks ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGfokREsNpM
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02-16-2018 , 07:24 PM
My friend got dealt 50 nickel royals. And on the same bank (South Point) the deuces game was the best offered so that's what I was playing, I was dealt 4 aces. ****ing brutal.



Really tilting that youtube video is titled Ultimate X.
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02-16-2018 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu Ungar
As always, another 10/10 trip report. Thanks, Leon!

Came across this on YouTube today.

I don't think I have EVER seen someone draw a Royal on anything bigger than a 10 play machine.

Here is one on a 25 Play machine..too bad it was only nicks ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGfokREsNpM
Here's one for 100G, quarters.

http://forum.videopoker.com/forum/fo...s.asp?TID=6921
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02-16-2018 , 08:02 PM
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I was dealt 4 aces. ****ing brutal.
It's ridiculous how common that event seems to be. SO TILTING.
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02-16-2018 , 08:18 PM
VP pros,

Anyone know the best machines to play at Aria or MGM?
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02-16-2018 , 08:31 PM
MGM properties moved most of their ultimate x to that horrible bonus streak crap. There's a pair of traditional ux in the pit across from the poker room.

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02-18-2018 , 04:37 AM
Gobbo,

First off, thank you so much.

Secondly, I don’t know wtf all that is. Just tell me what to play that’ll be fun and I’ll win a ton.

Thx!
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02-18-2018 , 05:07 AM
El D,

Confused by more than one step and just want someone to tell you what to do - sounds like someone we’re familiar with
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02-18-2018 , 05:08 AM
Both aren't very good. MGM properties have **** paytables for the most part. Best bet is 98.98 double double bonus if you want some decent variance and the ability to get a big hit. It's at both places at any relevant denomination you would want to play at.
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02-18-2018 , 11:03 AM
Gobbo,

Thanks! I’m planning to get a bunch of royals with big multipliers, so I don’t think the paytable should matter that much.
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02-18-2018 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by El Diablo
Gobbo,

Thanks! I’m planning to get a bunch of royals with big multipliers, so I don’t think the paytable should matter that much.
Excellent plan, don't know why I didn't think of this. I'll try it next time
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02-19-2018 , 11:23 AM
You're always way too focused on FAWAK leon, duh
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02-19-2018 , 12:46 PM
I grinded this quarter machine at Sam's Town on Boulder Highway, of all places, last time I was there..I don't think I have ever seen a quarter DDB machine pay 10X on a full house.

Had crazy luck on that machine..played about 2.5 hours, $1.25 per pull, hit (1) Royal, (2) 4AWK and (2) 234WK..felt like a license to print money. Not that often they run like trained poodles..$100 IN, $1,825 OUT..

100.07% DDB
Kdb_table Double Double Bonus
New Window
1-1-3-4-6-10-50-80-160-160-400-50-800
(1) 25¢ 1 Play Up a few rows in front of buffet entrance on a multigame machine with DDB faceplate ($4 per point and excluded from promotions and multipliers)
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02-19-2018 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu Ungar
I grinded this quarter machine at Sam's Town on Boulder Highway, of all places, last time I was there..I don't think I have ever seen a quarter DDB machine pay 10X on a full house.

Had crazy luck on that machine..played about 2.5 hours, $1.25 per pull, hit (1) Royal, (2) 4AWK and (2) 234WK..felt like a license to print money. Not that often they run like trained poodles..$100 IN, $1,825 OUT..

100.07% DDB
Kdb_table Double Double Bonus
New Window
1-1-3-4-6-10-50-80-160-160-400-50-800
(1) 25¢ 1 Play Up a few rows in front of buffet entrance on a multigame machine with DDB faceplate ($4 per point and excluded from promotions and multipliers)
Nice! Wish I could find some 10-7 TDB somewhere for quarters ...will be in Vegas this weekend
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02-19-2018 , 02:39 PM
All Stations have 10-6 DDB on their 100%+ payback machines. 1/12th points.
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02-19-2018 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Bighurt52235
All Stations have 10-6 DDB on their 100%+ payback machines. 1/12th points.
Good to know. I rarely go off the Strip these days and I don't recall ever seeing one with that paytable, for quarters..
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02-20-2018 , 04:00 AM
Meanwhile at the Rio.... Ongoing video poker "TR", how long will this last?

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02-20-2018 , 12:54 PM
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Meanwhile at the Rio....
Man, spin is the bomb when it hits- that said, I can't remember what that's like...
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