Yeah, I could see that. It would fit with my host's days bc he's off on Sundays and Mondays- the very days that got "messed up". They're always reasonable about fixing things, it's just annoying to have to get something fixed in the first place.

I hear you on the "B" issue, but for family it shouldn't be. We've established over years that we are not big drinkers- about the most alcohol we'll get for the entire weekend is 1-2 bottles of wine when my wife comes with me, usually ~ 100$/bottle. Our host should know there's zero risk of us running up 10k on alcohol or something haha.

And yes, I was talking about Nate. I don't get the appeal of even money bets, but damn that guy is a baller.

There is the fun factor to consider. Assuming your understanding of VP and generally correct plays are solid, I don't think you can screw yourself that badly at UX. Not like my dad, who I constantly have to remind to hold 4 to a gutterball as opposed to redraw, 3 to flush on full pay TDB, etc...

I recently did ask a supervisor about turning on the correct holds at this small Indian casino between Pala and Harrahs that shall remain nameless but rhymes with "Pasino Cauma" and they looked at me like I had three heads coming out of my neck..

For people who are familiar with me on 2+2 Leon is NOT talking about me but rather Big Baller Legend NateDogg(666?) that guy lives in infamy

I'm probably just a low-variance nit, because I don't really even like UX. It's probably because I've never had a huge hit on that game, but getting dealt a full house or a flush, and then getting jack squat on the next hand, 5 thousand times in a row is too frustrating for me to want to get involved with.

And those 7-for-a-flush games have strategies that are too complicated for me to want to mess with. I'll just stick with my single-line JoB and FPDW!

Man I can't even comprehend how you can be aware of this thread and play single line JoB

In some casinos it's the best game.

When you find a progressive worth $400/hr you suck it up and play it.

In addition to using wizard and videopoker.com to familiarize yourself with games/paytables I would suggest hopping on vpfree2.com to figure out where you want to play. If you are playing any sort of meaningful limits and you plan on returning to Vegas anytime soon I would pick a place where you've never had a players card and only use the card on the day you play. I.e. Don't go back the next day and redeem the $15 worth of points you earn or log in for 2 hours of live poker. This is to preserve your ADT(average daily theoretical). I think Las Vegas advisor has a list of ongoing casino promotions that might be helpful in selecting a casino.

Also if you tilt/lack discipline/degen I would say don't even get started.. this game can swallow bankrolls.

Because I'm a vp noob too...can I get clarification on the above? Don't go back...until your next trip? Until 2 days later? Just curious as to the rationale is all.

I'd play a progressive worth that much... where can I find one?

From a fun perspective I totally agree obv, but from an EV/reducing volatility standpoint I can understand. Personally, I'd rather stay home, but...

POS Indian casino gonna Indian casino...

Yeah, that's frustrating for sure. To me, the fun is much more likely with the "random lightning strikes" that come out of nowhere- eg, you hit an 8x multiplier in 1/5 spots the hand before, then the next hand you draw at a crap pair of 2s not expecting anything, and all of the sudden the machine starts going crazy with 4 2's w/kicker x 8...

Yeah, him, although I wish you his bankroll!

Until you get an offer or something of decent value from the casino.. maybe you're a $1 player($5/pull) and you just want to score a room for your next trip. 4 hours of play at 500 hands/hr(this is probably a bit quick for a beginner but slow for an experienced player) would be 10k coin in.. enough to get a room offer at many non top tier properties. But if you were to have non-gaming activity on your card or made a small play on a second day it would cut your average in half and your free room offer becomes a "casino rate" offer or something like that..

Anyways this discussion probably belongs in the video poker thread in the other games forum. Don't want to clutter up Leon's fantastic thread. Also you can PM me.

Leon,

So when you take $10k, you're playing average $50 a play?

I also didn't understand one thing you wrote. You said something like looking back over all your trips, you prob average about -$5k/trip. But you weren't replenishing your bankroll with "real life" money. So does that mean you were just keeping it propped up for a long time with poker winnings or something?

Edit: wrt the rfb, I agree w the poster who said it was prob just your host not being around to process it yet. I don't gamble heavy in the pit anymore, but when I did I always had the opposite experience with comps vs the complaints here. I always just left even though lots of stuff showed on the bill and the bill always got taken care of, and often extra stuff like tips were wiped off too. In my experience, if you're doing a bunch of -EV gambling they go out of the way to keep you happy with the comps.

Typically I play 25$ avg (5 hands), I've stepped it up to 50$ in the past but never as consistently as this last trip.

In regards to the bankroll, basically. At some point in my transition to a craps player my poker roll became a "general gambling roll". Since that point, it has steadily gone down (with the various upswings, etc). It's a little hard to figure since at several points I've deposited 10-15k for life-expenses, but then at a later date withdraw 5, 8, something like that to reseed the roll. So I guess technically I've taken from the "liferoll" to juice up the gambling roll, but in my rationalization world I don't see it that way since I "first" took money from the gambling roll to fuel the life one. Couple that with the random gift infusions from my parents and I don't know exactly where I'm at, but it's safe to say I've dumped a ton of money on -EV and have either busto'd my former poker roll or am close to it.

As far as the comps, agreed, it makes sense, it just would be nice to have it all taken care of immediately so we don't have to follow up on it later. I agree at some point it would probably be automatically taken care of, it's just that I'd rather not find out.

You did your calculation wrong tho leon. You said 99.54% payback on 500k is 5k but it's 2300.

I thought he said 1% hold on 500k was 5k not that the theo payback on 500k was 99.54%. Maybe I missed a post or something.

I assumed 99% payback, given I likely make mistakes here and there, and I spent a fair amount of time playing UX and deuces wild bonus (the strategy for which I don't know cold). 99% seemed reasonable.

I can ban all of you, you know.

But... Jimmy, who will come cheer for you when you ship mad bracelets this summer?

And don't say GobboMom she's a given!

Leon,

Thanks for the info. I've basically given up on blackjack now that it's an ordeal to find 3:2 tables.

I usually take around 5k and usually lose it averaging $50-100/hand blackjack.

Evaluating other degeneracy options where I don't feel like quite as much a sucker.

Craps not an option, I like it too much.