I am currently gold at MGM having achieved that status due to spend in 2017 so maybe that is why, but I get quite a few offers. I was looking online yesterday at my win/loss statements and I haven't really gambled that much with them.

If memory serves, I was getting nice offers even before I became gold.

This thread needs a proper burial..

I think one of the things I learned with comp is just grab up whatever you can get, but don't make that THE reason to play. I'm pretty aggressive and figured out after several instances that it's better to just ask- what's the worst they can say? You could comp shop around and compare with various hosts but until you've established play they likely won't give you anything more than a conditional offer.

This last trip I had a (typical) beforehand arrangement with the host, and I'll admit there was quite a bit of comp (two big suites, two standard rooms, multiple days of cabana etc). At the end of the trip after I got my ass kicked I basically demanded he take everything remaining off the bill and I'm happy they came through. Of course, a week later I tried to arrange a room only for my friend for 3 days and my host told me no. So I definitely hit my limit on this past trip. I'm sure if I were also going on the trip I tried to arrange with my friend the answer would have been yes (since they know I'd be there to dump money).

I plan on continuing to post in this thread as the hits/TRs come, but if people want to bury it that's fine. I say keep it and let's see what happens...

I say keep it.

Let's bury Stu Ungar instead. Just kidding.

Leon, I am not a VP player and so I don't understand all the terminology, but I have found your thread entertaining. I am glad to see this speed bump doesn't seem to have soul crushed you.

Youse good people.

Lol we all know Leon will be back, just some intermission discussion

Best of luck, Leon..I just feel like I’m watching Willie Mays when he was on the 1973 Mets. At least we have our memories. (and the archives )

Great!

Now I have a mashup of Memory from Cats and The Way We Were by Barbara Streisand running through my head.

This game is entirely different. Results are dependent almost completely on how lucky he is.

Wow that seems absolutely brutal. Do you have any info about how much your average wager or coin-in is per trip? Would be really curious.

Not really sure how this works even, at what minimum play is it even worth contacting a host?

Many times I believe Leon has exceeded 500k coin in. Playing at the optimal strategy and top payout machines, I think he has mentioned that requires a bankroll per trip of 20-25k.

Someone feel free to elaborate if I’ve missed something.




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Pardon me while I pick my jaw up off the floor.

I live vicariously through this thread. It amazes me the level of risk to reward or ruin the high level gamblers regularly take. It also, more than anything, shows just how little chance the average guy has to win.

I see the strategies Leon and others posit based on math, and EV. I see how they pick machines. I see the tilt even the best players fight against. And then I realize no mater how smart I may be, I’m not cut out for that world. I don’t have near that discipline.

I also appreciate fully the candor and insight Leon and a few others display. And for that, I hope the thread survives.

Good luck and on to the next one!


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It's Vegas. Nobody has a chance to win in the long run. All the games, except poker, are -ev. Some off-Strip casinos might have a handful of machines that are not -ev, but the other 99% of games in the place are -ev.

I don't know about "many", but yes when I moved up to 50$ coin in/push and played for a long weekend I'd coin in around 500k. I need frequent hits for that, of course. I probably played 8 hrs/day, maybe more on good trips. These recent ones where I've run badly, I'm pushing slower, taking more breaks etc, anything to survive longer. No way I coined in 500k- probably more like 200 or even 300.

The trip bankroll of 20-25k really only was established after multiple trips where I was short. It's a gestalt thing and just seems to be around where that number falls given the game, time, conditions etc I play under. I used to show up with 10k- then proved that's not nearly enough. A daily swing can and has been 10k. Then 15k- also not enough. 20-25k "usually" will last me a 3-4 day trip and give me enough iterations that I can catch some rungood and get more bullets, but as the last two trips proved, even that sometimes isn't enough...

Yeah, exactly. Let's be clear- VP is just my game of choice. What I'm doing is no different than playing blackjack or any other decent casino game. Hence the title of the thread in the first place- we all knew busto'ing the gambling roll was the inevitable outcome.

The nice thing about having your hot streak is that you can bust a trip roll 2 or 3 times, quit for good, and still end up a lifetime winner.

LOL, like you would ever quit for good while above ground.

20-25k is usually my trip budget. I know full well how quick that can go down the drain, when premiums, or frequent non-premiums, don’t come through. I’ve had a solid 2 year slump where I’m lucky if I can even get 150k coin-in with a 20k roll. Yes, it’s been that bad.





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So much this. If there's anything I've learned, there's no cold like cold video poker. Nothing else even comes close. I can completely identify with the "150k coin in/20k" statement. Sometimes 5-10k just evaporates in a few hrs and you're like "WTF my seat's not even warm yet". And yet when it's hot, you might literally only need to show up with a single hundo.

It's really saying something when I play blackjack just to slow it down and smooth out the variance. People think blackjack is a wild game but it might as well be game night at an old folks' home compared to video crack.

And I thought running several hundred through a slot machine only to see it evaporate felt cold.

How's this for a redraw?

Are you saying you held some and hit or you got dealt it?

I think he’s saying he threw 5 and drew those. And as always, I’m tilted bc it’s not triple double or at least double double with that beautiful kicker there.

Yeah, sigh. Just trying to make enough two pairs to hit that inflated royal.

Is this also 6:5 which is horrible aside for the royal bonus? I'm trying to learn how to spot these, and what's good or not.

I am a poker player who has lost $500 in one hand so this will seem strange, but I cringe at the thought of putting a dollar twenty-five in a machine.

I have done it on slots, but I still cringe.

Yeah, real bad game. Of course if you don't make any boats it don't cost ya!