Yeah the flip and pay game variance personified- super fun when it's hot, a recipe for a 10 min session when it's cold. Given my local still sees fit to have many full pay machines, even on the floor, I'm hopeful it stays for quite some time...

I was in the process of planning my next vegas trip, as the one I have pending may no longer work based on needing to be home that week.

In doing so. I always check the Leon thread and his disappointment echoes mine, only mine is live poker. Vegas to me is now more about golf and dinners and pools and more dinners. The occasional sports bet. Poker is becoming almost a chore when I’m there. That’s frustrating.

Vegas won’t lose me. But the reasons I used to go sure seem to be losing me.

Hope to read more great trip reports Leon. But I fear the epic ones will wane now.


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It's a joke what they're calling a "jackpot". Today I had one jackpot hand, was a **** hair away from another, and I STILL lost ~1K on the session.

IIRC, recently there were some useless lawmakers actually trying to REDUCE the threshold, to 800 I think? Your tax dollars at work.

bust out of poker tournament in vegas so played some triple double spin ultimate x poker and hit this. royal with 12x 3x and 3x multiplier betting nickles

Playing dollars from now on I bet?

lol not yet, I try to control my inner degenerate as best i can, $90 a pull is Leon's territory

Hey Leon, do you ever play the “double up” feature? Swings can be big but you can generate some decent scores on smallish type hands:

Doubling up on a jackpot hand might be the most degen thing ITT, and that's saying something

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None of the machines where I play have the double up. Honestly if it's EV neutral I think I'd use it a lot. As most people know I'm playing for a score. I'll take 4 figure hits obv but if I can sacrifice half of them for 2x 5 figure hits... I'm going for it.

I like the recent pics here, keep 'em coming. I'll contribute as I can- haven't hit anything noteworthy in a while.

Ill be donating at the Aria VP machines for a week starting tonight.
Usually DSTP TD.
May try some spin this go around.

Been doubling for 15+ years. My main takeaways are:

(1) Double everything, every time unless 4 of kind + (then it’s based on risk tolerance, getting unstuck etc).

(2) Session wins or losses will mostly be dependent on the double game rather than the actual game.

(3) Play single-line higher denom machines vs multi-line lower

(4) Bonus Poker is the best game when using the double strategy (must adhere to point 1 though). This is due to getting 10 credits for a 2-pair while still giving you extra credits for the bonus 4 of kinds.

(5) Average number of doubles per hand should be 2-4 (never opt for single doubles unless 4 of kind +). A full house/flush/straight is best at 2 or 3 times while one pair/two pair/3 of kind hands should be done 3-4.

(6) Don’t think of each double individually, rather group them into clusters. You’ll notice patterns of terrible clusters followed by great ones. The key is to wait for the decent hands to fall within the good clusters. Once that happens you’ll get several jackpots back to back. It’s all about waiting for the good double streak to align with some good poker hands. It could take hours, but as long as you’re hitting some to keep the bankroll as close to even as possible, eventually the machine will go through the streak. I’ve also noticed on several occasions that I’ll go through a dry poker spell of 10-15 hands of getting nothing immediately following a successful double (maybe just coincidence).

So at times you must play 50 or more hands without getting a single credit back.

If you mean by way of losing on the doubles in conjunction with not getting/drawing to any hands, yes, that is very possible. I’ve had many sessions where I make 0 hands for 10-15 draws, then finally get some but go on 10-15 double attempt loss. As mentioned before, you need to be consistent with staying the path as the double streak will turn positive. Literally one successful double series can wipe out all those loses, happens to me almost every time.

When you get back to back doubles (meaning 3-4 successful attempts per) that’s when big scores come in. Here's an example of doubles I hit over the course of an hour (the $3125 and $3154 were from 4 of kinds).

I am in vegas right now and looking for some decent VP machines at the harrah's properties but can't really find anything good. What is the deal with VP in this town? Where are all the 99% machines?

Cromwell has a bank of 6 $.25 machines at the front door. 99.xx% payback.

I was looking for the $1 machines. I go to the high stakes lounge but they all ****

Yup, Vegas decided it didn't like vp players a couple months ago and pretty much destroyed the playable vp landscape.

I believe you are mistaken.

Some Center-Strip casinos have removed full-pay VP games < $5. If you go off-strip, or even Downtown, there are plenty of full pay $1 games.

On the Strip, at least the Cosmopolitan still has full pay $.25 BP. It is in the high limit room, with the only requirement that you play 20+ lines.

I fail to see the point of conjuring up an air of general misery, just because your particular casino no longer offers your favorite game, as long as there are numerous other options (and venues) available.

It is hard to understand how the current trend of maligning "Las Vegas", just because some people no longer get 'something-for-nothing' right where they want it, is adding anything positive to the forum.

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I guess, if you're playing vp solely to play vp. I play it for the comps. You can look down your nose at people earning comps if you want, but if it weren't for the comp system, I would have never played vp at all.

You will get more in comps now with lower paytables. Lower paytables, equals higher Theo, equals higher comps earning. Personally, the only properties where I felt I got a lot of comps for my VP play, has been Stations properties (Red Rock)...again, just my personal experience. I have a great host at PH and he treats me well at Caesars properties, but still not as good as Red Rock. My Aria offers were good until this last year, but Aria seems to be strictly by the book when it comes to comp calculations, for back-end comps...in other words, for VP players, that means you need to play a **** ton of coin-in in order to generate a **** ton of Theo.


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That was fun

I love this pic, and it's got me thinking. Had no idea Aria had 9/6 DSTP TDB which I'd be interested in playing. Open question for the forum-

I'm considering moving my play to another strip casino, but I'm pretty unfamiliar with the offerings and most of the websites are surprisingly unreliable with their info. Does anyone know which strip casinos offer-

- multiline dreamcard (25c denom and up, TDB 9/6 paytable or better)
- multiline Ultimate X (25c denom and up, TDB 9/6 paytable or better)
- multiline double super times pay (25c denom and up, TDB 9/6 paytable or better. Apparently the Aria is one, thanks!)

I think that's a good start. If I find some good options the next step is to start contacting hosts and see what kind of offers I can get. Maybe my TRs will be based out of a new hotel! Thanks in advance.

All I play is DSTP TDB at aria so cant speak to it.
Sindustry May be able to

Row 802 and row 804 by the mllfe desks are the place to be

That's about where I play triple spin poker. Great place to be!