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Your last paragraph is what really tells the tale. Where, exactly, did I say I was so against OTHER systems, as opposed to our own broken one? The majority of what I wrote was actually against our current system. I am against a government run system, that's true. I'm not convinced any other country has it figured out either, nor that a system that works well for one country would work here. But I didn't realize something was "the hell wrong with me" simply bc I don't hold your opinion. All I do is work in healthcare and take care of patients. But yeah, I'm the enemy. And misinformed too, obv.

From here on out I'll do my best to restore this to a thread about VP.

Long time lurker and fan but first time I felt motivated to post...

Thanks leon for this well measured and thoughtful response. One of the reasons this thread is so great is whether it comes to VP or healthcare you always seem to have a level headed and realistic take on things.

For "thedude404", you obviously have a passionate take and for the most part have good intentions with your reply... but if you had just left off the personal attack at the end your response comes across much better.

Looking forward to more Wonka and VP porn in 2019!

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12-28-2018 , 08:32 PM

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From here on out I'll do my best to restore this to a thread about VP.

+1

my apologies to all for contributing to the derail

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12-29-2018 , 01:49 AM

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Villian1

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Shame me for playing JoB Leon.

Can someone explain to me what is going on here?

Holding that king is the absolute worst decision someone can make, no?

Leon,

Great thread! Thank you for taking the time and effort to write these TRs.

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12-29-2018 , 02:04 AM

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Kickers don't matter in Jacks Or Better

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12-29-2018 , 03:58 AM

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Well thought out!

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A lot to unpack here. First off everything the US government is not destroyed. People like to over generalize on this point. https://www.theacsi.org/news-and-res...nt-report-2017

Secondly, if the government did the "bare minimum" as you put it, we'd have no minimum wage, children working in factories, and raw waste coming out of factories. That is just for starters. In your mind, a country with fewer laws and regulations would be a libertarian utopia. But in reality it would be a society nobody would want to live in and actually a complete nightmare. If left unchecked, some people will do ANYTHING to make a dollar, whether it hurts or kills people. So that's why the libertarian ideal is and always will be, a complete failure. You act as if people will automatically look out for the other guy. Maybe YOU would. But that is the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of how most people act in a pure capitalistic society. So that is the exact reason we do need laws. So capitalism doesnt ruin our society.

To your next point about preventive self care. To a point, I'll agree with you. America is full of fat slobs when compared to other first world countries. However, this does not address the fact that no matter how healthy you are, you will get older. Being healthy is great, but eventually just about everyone is going to get sick or have some sort of health issue no matter how healthy you are. So while you somewhat make a point, you really arent addressing the issue of paying for healthcare.

You said "Theoretically if insurance companies were non-profit and functioned as originally intended (a theoretical pot of money to which we all contribute and pool risk/resources), we'd probably be able to cover a ton of people"

That is exactly what a government run health care system is. So you're saying a system like that would work?

You also said "Government-funded health care simply means "citizen funded health care"- our tax dollars will go up and we pay more, and have the inefficient government waste the money to boot."

This is 100% incorrect. Take Canada for example. Their system is run by province. The government owns the hospitals and pays the workers. If you live in Ontario and make less than $20k a year, your healthcare tax is ZERO. It maxes out at ***$900*** a year if you make more than $200k a year. In some cases it's also funded partially by corp taxes and lottery revenue.

Ask ANY other 1st world country about their government run health care system. Sure, they arent perfect. But saying that there is no other better solution out there than what the USA has is just being willfully ignorant or just refusing to face the fact that something run by the government DOES work. Even you say we have the worst system in the 1st world.

What in the hell is wrong with people like you being so against something that we can witness working far better that our system in most other 1st world countries??????

Haven't logged in here in a while (since most topics on 2+2 are just boring/repetitive nowadays), but always lurk the TR's.

Anyway, above post is simply SPOT ON!

No government = No protection for those who actually need it!

To patronize what has been been working for decades in other developed countries = Ignorant!

Buy yeah, let's just shout MAGA and bury our heads in the sand...

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12-29-2018 , 05:56 AM

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Wow you came out of lurking to politard an epic thread that had finished it’s annoying derail.

Go back to lurking, knowing when/where to post isn’t your strong trait

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12-29-2018 , 07:21 AM

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Long time lurker and fan but first time I felt motivated to post...

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Originally Posted by Well thought out!

Haven't logged in here in a while (since most topics on 2+2 are just boring/repetitive nowadays), but always lurk the TR's.

starting a post like either of these and then dropping a load of politarding should be a bannable offense

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12-30-2018 , 05:30 PM

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RELEASE THE BAN HAMMER !!!!

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12-30-2018 , 05:35 PM

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He's playing Jacks or Better, it's irrelevant as quads pays the same no matter what the kicker is.

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12-30-2018 , 11:15 PM

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In games where you can not improve from a dealt 4oaK It tilts me when someone does not hold the 5th card...

Example... Double Double Bonus... Dealt Ten Ten Ten Ten X. You can not improve from this so there is no reason to not hold the 5th card.

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01-01-2019 , 02:00 AM

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Example... Double Double Bonus... Dealt Ten Ten Ten Ten X. You can not improve from this so there is no reason to not hold the 5th card.

There's no reason to hold the 5th card either.

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01-01-2019 , 02:26 AM

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there actually is- a game malfunction could happen while dealing the 5th card voiding your hand.

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01-01-2019 , 05:19 AM

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there actually is- a game malfunction could happen while dealing the 5th card voiding your hand.

ding ding ding

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01-01-2019 , 05:51 AM

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I actually saw it happen once

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01-01-2019 , 05:59 AM

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I actually saw it happen once

that is sad...

I saw a guy playing $10 DDB sitting waiting for a hand pay. Hit 4 aces (no kicker)... Doubled up... AND HIT! I asked him if it was a mistake... He said NO?! Blew my mind...

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01-01-2019 , 06:10 AM

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that is sad...

I saw a guy playing $10 DDB sitting waiting for a hand pay. Hit 4 aces (no kicker)... Doubled up... AND HIT! I asked him if it was a mistake... He said NO?! Blew my mind...

eh, might as well - If you're gonna gamble with a ~1+% house edge, you might as well gamble when there's a 0% house edge.

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01-02-2019 , 02:34 AM

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eh, might as well - If you're gonna gamble with a ~1+% house edge, you might as well gamble when there's a 0% house edge.

Always wondered if I'd have the balls to go for it if I ever played on a game with that feature. Gut tells me I'd probably go for it with a ~4k hit, lock in the win otherwise.

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01-03-2019 , 07:39 PM

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Always wondered if I'd have the balls to go for it if I ever played on a game with that feature. Gut tells me I'd probably go for it with a ~4k hit, lock in the win otherwise.

I bet doing it a second or third time would be dependent on your result the first time ?!

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01-03-2019 , 07:44 PM

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I bet doing it a second or third time would be dependent on your result the first time ?!

In so far as if I successfully flipped the first time, then yeah I'd probably be more likely to flip again. Otherwise it would probably depend on how I'm running- if running bad I think I'd be more likely to just lock in whatever score might be in front of me. Running good, yeah meh gamble.

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01-04-2019 , 09:23 AM

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there actually is- a game malfunction could happen while dealing the 5th card voiding your hand.

If we want to play the lets all be stupid game, then there could be a game malfunction because you held the 5th card, where there wouldn't have been a malfunction had you not.

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01-04-2019 , 01:47 PM

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If we want to play the lets all be stupid game, then there could be a game malfunction because you held the 5th card, where there wouldn't have been a malfunction had you not.

Not really. That was the dealt cards. There is record of the dealt hand.

Either way malfunction voids all pays and plays right?

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01-04-2019 , 06:26 PM

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there actually is- a game malfunction could happen while dealing the 5th card voiding your hand.

How does holding the card vs not holding change the chance of a game malfunction?

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01-04-2019 , 09:02 PM

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How does holding the card vs not holding change the chance of a game malfunction?

you arent dealt any cards?

i thought this was a politics thread

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01-04-2019 , 09:18 PM

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Just pulling this out of my ass...

What if you are dealt JJJJ2 playing Jack's or better. You hold only JJJJ and get a 5th J... if you held JJJJ2 you are all good. Program glitches gives a 5th Jack and you are screwed... not saying this can happen, but just an example of a worst case scenario.

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01-04-2019 , 09:31 PM

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Do you know how the machine functions so that drawing a card vs not drawing a card is more likely to cause a malfunction? Why would one be more likely to cause a malfunction than the other? Does dealing a card change the amount of calculations the machine does? Do additional calculations increase the chance of a malfunction? Or would less calculations cause a smaller chance of a malfunction? What about the graphic rendering of a new card?

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