^It's sometimes nice to hear the dink, dink, dink, 10 times.

I know but like... I don't get it... It is the worst when you are sitting next to someone playing 100 play and they do that...

Re: the steak and eggs, yes that's guacamole.

Yes, the rationale is to hear the sound of "made quads" over and over. Doesn't come up much, personally if someone next to me got dealt quads 100 ways I'd be perfectly ok with them enjoying their moment. Any pat hand where you hold all five cards sounds the same- we get those often enough it's not that cool.

Different sound when you are dealt 4 cards or a pat 5...

I was once waiting for this couple to get off a 100 play video poker machine... They were playing 1 line 1 credit ($0.01). They were dealt a royal and were cheering so happy.... Enjoy your $2.50....

kinda a dick mindset. they're having fun and probably gambling within their means. no reason to look down on them

Good that they could be happy, not sure how I could find myself in that situation and not put my fist through the machine.

I was playing this version "flip and pay" a few years ago where cards would "flip" to make better hands assuming certain conditions were met (eg, AAA off suit K, the K "flips" to become the 4th ace). So in this version, there are two potential cards to complete a dealt royal- 10jqk, either the ace or the 2 (which will flip to become the ace) will do it. Still not easy, obv.

Anyways, I'm playing 5 lines, quarters. Outright dealt a royal, no flip, on the version that I'm paying double credits for, at a denom smaller than my usual. Yeah, I was a little annoyed at that. Last dealt royal I've had if memory serves.

Not really looking down on them for playing within their means... More an issue with the casino allowing that. The machine now has a $1 minimum bet. Many penny denomination games have a minimum bet on them now...



I don't think they understood that they didn't win that much... But still good for them.

Never heard of flip and pay....

I'm a sucker for double pay or "3-Way Action" video poker...Where they pay the dealt hand, and the best 5-card hand (and 3-way action paying 7-card hand)... My father has been dealt a few Royals. I've yet to be dealt a royal.

Do you live in Vegas? Cause I’ve yet to find 3 way action video poker anywhere outside of Vegas.

Lots of those games at Gold Coast

Reading these TRs is like watching a movie where you know 90% of the time there is going to be a happy ending. Thanks for documenting and sharing!

Wynn needs to increase your comps. Your posts are the best marketing they could imagine. They literally make money off me because of this thread.

Thanks, I did mention it to my host a while ago, and his boss. I don't think they were particularly impressed, either it doesn't matter that much to them or they don't appreciate the potential downstream impact of this kind of marketing.

If anyone wants to potentially do me a solid and let them know PM me and I'll give you their email addresses. Probably won't change anything but shouldn't hurt either.

Re:holding only 4 on dealt quads

I’ve seen it reasoned on another board that it is best to hold all five to better protect against a machine malfunction.

This would make sense if the draw cycle relies on the workings of mechanical parts, like an old-fashioned reel slot. But video poker machines do not have moving reels. They rely on the operation of solid state circuits, with a very limited number of mechanical parts involved in the gaming cycle.

Without any further knowledge of the computer algorithms and of the implementations of these, which make up the 'holding' or 'drawing' processes on a video poker machine, there is really no way to know how they contribute to possible error-proneness of each of the two strategies.

In video poker the only malfunction-prone mechanical parts involved in the draw are the buttons you manually press. Holding 5 buttons and pressing 'draw' is actually one more button than holding 4 buttons and pressing 'draw'.

The process of holding all 5 cards before pressing 'draw' could conceivably be seen as 20% more susceptible to malfunction compared to just holding 4 cards.

I've heard multiple first-hand accounts from people who had a winning hand, held the cards, but the machine glitched and unheld one of them. Those people then called for a slot attendant or whoever, and they were able to look back at the hands and they got paid.

On the other hand, I've not heard of a single first-hand account or seen any video/photo evidence of someone whose machine malfunctioned after holding, say, a 4oak, and drawing a 5th card of that rank.

That exact scenario happened to me at Barona about 3-4 years ago with 4 aces and the kicker at DDB $1.25 a pull.

I called the slot attendant and after he ran a test he confirmed it and I was paid the $500..

The button that you use to hold a card is a mechanical one, and probably the weakest point in the whole system.

Are people itt actually gambling at Wynn because of leon's exploits? Personally, I don't, because the amount of play that gets me Diamond at CET barely moves the needle at the Wynn.

Happened to me too at Barona. Not a big deal hand at all, but I was losing and the button "unpressing" (I think I had two pair and it ended up holding 1.5 pairs lol) was really tilting. They got a slot attendant, verified what I was dealt, and they replayed the hand.

The previous explanation about why holding ALL the cards on dealt quads may be more likely to result in a malfunction is the best I've ever read. Never heard of an instance that is close to verifiable of someone holding only quads on dealt quads, getting a 5th of that rank, and the whole hand is void. I think that fear is right up there with the "gee what happens if I get a dealt royal and at that exact moment the power goes out" scenario. Good luck with that- such a super, super unlikely event (that will probably get resolved properly anyways), it's probably a waste of time to worry about it.

How do they verify what happened? Cameras? Or can the machine tell you?

Machine attendants can use their key to look back at the previous hands in the attendant menu.

It’s less that I’m going to Wynn because of Leon and more that I’m being reminded I want to go to Wynn because of Leon. I try to limit my play because I know it’s unsustainable and odds will catch up to me sooner or later (the reason I even came to this site was in hopes poker would keep me away from the blackjack table. Hah). But the pictures in here get me going and I get the urge to go back.

Wynn just happens to be my favorite casino when you add everything up. Free nights and a couple free meals is all I need. Besides, comps are still magnitudes better than what Ignition is giving me. The sooner I take my money off that site the better.

Heyo, quick question, I was looking at vpfree2 and was looking through different casinos, specifically around ultra low limit VP offered by casino (looking at 5c machines as the next time I'm in Vegas I'll still be at uni so will be on a budget), and came across something I'd like some understanding on:

Green Valley Branch
Main Street Casino
4 Queens Casino
California Hotel and Casino
Boulder Station
Alliante Casino

All of these places offer 100%+ DB or DDB.

What's the deal? Are they pretty much punting that most players won't play optimal and as a result can offer better pay tables to draw people in?

The average VP player doesn't play anything close to optimal, and those mistakes add up quick. Go to https://www.freeslots.com/poker.htm, turn the trainer on, and choose a game that you don't know the strategy for. It'll show you exactly how much your return gets diminished every time you screw up.

They also know that most 5c/25c games aren't going to be worth the effort for APs. Downtown Grand had some FPDW several months ago at the $2 level; I think they lasted about a week before the pros burned them out.

Cheers for the link, had a play with it, nice to see that I'm overall playing alright, slight alterations required over the hands played but nothing too major. Will probably use this a bit more until I can actually use a machine.

And can you explain the second part of your comment? Why did the pro's burn them out? Because they were playing close to optimal and the casinos weren't making enough of an edge?

casino likely losing way too much $ on the machine and pulled them or changed the paytables

Here's an article that details what went down:

https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/gamb...doomed-repeat/