Hey Gobbo,

I actually tried this once recently and it did not work at all. The server looked at me blankly and said who? I said Jimmy, Jimmy Fricke, Gobboboy, still nothing. So ymmv on that one.

Since Bank left and they got new service staff Chada has gone downhill a bit for me. That said I’ve only been to street recently and not the original. Need to go back to Chada Thai instead. I wonder if Bon left too.

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I had 2 20+ minute rolls in one orbit. I once rolled 6 sixes in a row. Wasn't a believer until after the 3rd, so hardly made any money from it.

The dumbest one was when I rolled 4 craps in a row. The stickman was laughing at me because I stacked myself on line bets and had to re-buy in the middle of my roll.

Great TR leon good to see those hits! When you are up like that do you ever consider going nuts and bombing a couple k on 25 play?

Not sure how I missed this post. That's an interesting way as well. I think the main thing that would prevent me from playing like that is not wanting to inconvenience the crew (seriously). I like being that straightforward, seasoned player who always knows his bets and is fairly predictable.


I will, or we'll go there together, but if a place was really great there almost shouldn't be any "wrong" way to order. It's not like I went into the joint and asked them to get me a Big Mac.

All the time, except for me it's "should I go to 2$ credits, UX, etc"? The 25 play machine is 9/6 TDB and I've personally seen my dad give back disgusting amounts of money on that machine. One thing I've definitely learned is that more lines/relatively lower denom may decrease variance as you hit things relatively frequently, but unless you're dealt a monster there's basically no chance of you booking a win. If you're betting 125$ a push, a 2k hit isn't that big of a deal.

Exact opposite of single line- high variance, almost no chance of hitting something big but if you do you're almost certainly booking a win. So for me the sweet spot is somewhere in the 5-10 line range.

I can see the logic in this, but if you're at a $25+ stakes table the crew is like lightening and I guarantee you others will be doing more elaborate things and center bets, so you shouldn't think anything of making them tweak your bets in non-standard ways.

I've never pressed/taken money down; THAT would be non-standard for me. Plus there's also the collective effect to consider- many times there will be lots of noobs, people doing all sorts of unpredictable things with their bets. Whatever small piece I can do to NOT contribute to that I'm happy with- at a minimum it breaks up the flow of the game and slows things down. A whole side of a table throwing out bets, doing things out of turn, odd presses/unpresses etc is going to mess up the crew a bit, I don't care how good they are.

Upon thinking about it a bit more, I guess the main thing is that since in the long run it makes no difference how we bet, I'd just rather bet in a predictable way. Since I don't like to reduce/take bets down anyways it fits perfectly with my own preference.

Pretty sure betting pass line at x2 odds is still more ev than taking 6 or 8

True, but very insignificant, and you have control over where and how much you press place bets rather than pass/come, where you can end up all over the map and with far more action on a number that may be different than the one you hoped for (e.g, you make a big come bet and 4 or 10 rolls).

Thought it was obvious from the get go.

Love the craps action.

I like playing the 6 and 8 and just go up a unit every time it hits. Not as aggressive as pressing but still fun.

Do you play at $25+ or $50+ tables? If so, you can toss out the noob factor and you can rest assured that players will be doing things that will occupy the crew more than you going up and down on your place bets.

FYI - I'm actually not a 6 and 8 guy when I roll. I set crossed sixes and thus buy the 4 and 10 and place the 5 and 9. I will, however, do hard 6 and 8 since when crossing sixes if you do manage a 6 or 8 it's often the hard way. I also have a rule that if the previous shooter fails to hit a point I'll bet the don't pass for the next shooter and don't come, but each without odds. If that shooter hits a point though, I'll go back to the pass line. This allows me to avoid 7 out issues but be part of big runs.

Craps is fun, but I don't play anymore, and have probably only played 10-15 times. All but one of those times I was systematically sodomozied by the game. Someone establishes a point, I place odds and some place bets, insta 7. Fffffuuuuuu

The one time I won, I was playing with my case $100, and I personally hit 5 different points, turned my $1 fire bet into $250, cashed out close to 1k.

When I worked at Palazzo, one morning there was a 50-60 minute roll. I wasnt dealing, but I was told the young lady who was the shooter was in 500 and out ~50k. The toke box was literally filled, with green and black, and some purple and yellow sprinkled in.


Nothing like the dream of a hot dice run!

FWIW, my fiance is a former craps dealer. Overall, they don't mind one bit if you alter/take down your bets. Sounds like you're pretty straightforward with line bets and placing #'s, so that's a walk in the park for them (as opposed to ppl who place a bunch of random weirdo bets and/or odd denominations). Just throw a couple of bucks down for them on the 6 & 8 and they'll be more than happy.

Love the ongoing TR. Keep crushing it!

There is a business opportunity here for casinos. I would pay to watch a video of this kind of roll on youtube or pay per view casino site. Blur out the faces and let me see this!!

One of my workmates rolled for an hour and 36 minutes at the Vegas Club years ago. High point of my otherwise dull and dreary life. Sadly he recently passed away but I will always remember that roll.

Yes, I have no doubt that the way I bet is nothing for a competent crew. At some point, anything is just a job, and with enough experience things that seem difficult to an outsider are obv LOL easy which is what you want. I've said that to people about anesthesia many times- not to trivialize my job but at some point you get good enough at what you're doing that it's routine. That's exactly what people SHOULD want- for it to be just another day at the office. Honestly I feel like most of the time I could do it with my eyes closed, which is less of a personal brag than just a testament to experience.

When I bet for the crew (which I always do at least once a session), I place a unit inside, my control, and go up by a unit each hit. I've dropped 100$s for the crew many times that way, it keeps the dealer bets going and they seem to love it.

Lastly, I'll throw out my "long roll" stories. I may have actually told them earlier in this thread. The first is simply my first roll- of course. Had no idea what I was doing, was literally playing as instructed by friends. I think I may have placed a line bet, one or two come bets, doubt I put any odds down. I rolled 45 min and won a few hundred bucks, I remember the table was going nuts. In retrospect I probably used up my "one time" the first time- you give me 45 min now and I'm winning mid 5 figures minimum.

Second one was at the Stratosphere, where I used to play crapless craps/10x odds religiously. Rolled in early AM and the pit boss immediately told me "you just missed Francisco (known hi roller), he had an hour roll all to himself and won over 100k". Turns out this guy was supposed to be leaving LV but his flight got cancelled so he turned right around and headed to the Strat. Played by himself, killed it. I have no idea how he won so little (playing by himself and no one else to slow the table down) but maybe he started off gun shy.

Anyways, I'm sure if I'm there, butterfly effect, the dice don't turn out the same, yadadada, but I sure wish I'd gotten there an hour earlier. An hour at the crapless craps table I'm sure I win 6 figs as well; the pit boss told me they lost 4 million the last time they had an hour roll at the table. Instead I played by myself of course got killed. F this game.

Whenever I hear about long roll stories, I picture a packed $5 table where you're lucky to roll once every 90 seconds between all the bets being paid and new ones coming, which means a roll of 45 minutes is nothing spectacular. But a guy rolling a hour by himself is just bananas. That truly is marathon roll and I also wonder how he'd only have come away with $100K if he was a high roller. Probably got gun shy after a while, worrying that any variation would be the death knoll. Either that or he was a strict 6 and 8 guy and never got on other numbers. I'll admit to having fallen into the "superstitious staying the course trap a number of times during huge rolls, more so when rolling alone.

I get so tilted at full craps tables. My favorite time to play craps in Vegas is like 7-9AM when it's a 50/50 shot I'm at a table solo. The people who roll the dice to themselves 6 times before they take their shot tilt me to no end to the point where I root for them to 7 out (silently of course) even if I have money on the pass.

I know what you mean. I was at the Gold Coast once and a guy was dropping $300 - 500 every time he was the shooter on the “All Numbers” bet. His minute long routine included rubbing the dice on the table, placing the dice in his hand in a “Rock On” hand gesture, staring at the ceiling for a few seconds, underhanding the dice down the table with the Rock On setting, then insta-outing 2 out of the 3 times he was on the dice. I was glad to lose my pass line bet and little place bets just to see this guy move on.


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If I recall correctly, he generally covered a bunch of numbers. That's the point of crapless, after all. So he must have started really small/didn't press until the roll really had established itself.

Every serious craps player has had that conversation with themselves- "I don't dare do X bc it could cooler this roll", knowing full well it's ridiculous, and yet being terrified to change anything. Craps can make anyone superstitious.

Yeah I've never understood the appeal of a full table. I'm a pretty anti-social person in general. I like a few other people (usually bc I don't want to shoot) but other than that, yeah just give the felt, chips and crew- I don't need donks around tarding things up.

I will admit to taking my bets down a few times in my life, always when there's an idiot who does a long routine with the dice. It's for exactly the reason you state- I start to wholeheartedly hope he sevens out and don't want to have mixed emotions about the outcome.

I consider myself (at least tied for) the least superstitious person in the world. But I admit, craps would get me thinking funny ****. To the point I began to only lob the dice instead of shoot it.

I've missed out on some decent rolls due to some common craps superstitions. Pulled off due to dice leaving table, stick change, someone buying in in the middle of a roll, etc.
One time I had been playing 2 or 3 days without even a decent roll. New shooter comes in that starts the dice rolling half way down the table, smacks the wall, and comes half way back up the table hitting chips and anything in the way. I pull off and of course he rolls forever number after number.

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Basically I've learned just pick a system and stick with it. Always on, always off, play through all the randomness, never play, etc. Nothing we do matters, but SWITCHING and then getting a bad outcome is a set up for tilt.

Man this was super depressing.

Leon your stories of craps at the Strat seem like fun. Old Strat seemed like a great craps house.