Yep, triple spin baby. Love it.

I would guess that CET Spin paytables would be bad too.

But yeah, if I play it again I'll have to dial it back from $1 to quarters, which unfortunately often results in even crappier paytables.

South Point has full pay tables for 25c spin.

Still laughing at the quad 2s dealt hand

If I'm going to play -ev games I'm going to at least get CET tier credits for it. Or maybe Orleans/Gold Coast points. South Point is too far in the boonies for me to want to spend much time at.

Tier credits or EV, your choice.

Yeah one can't have everything. As a tourist, I'd have to go with credits. Luckily I don't have to make a huge EV sacrifice for the most part.

Any one else a fan of Super Triple Play Super Double Double Bonus? I went on two nice runs the other day.

Run 1:




Run 2:

I’ve found myself in the midst of a corona fueled video poker bender and I’m not sure what the best play is. I didn’t know where to post this, and thought why not the worlds premier VP thread and maybe get some advice from Leon himself.


I don’t have a small bankroll, but I don’t have an infinite pit of money. Probably happy dropping 2-3k at worst for a trip.
So here it is, is it better to play more hands or higher denominations assuming the paytable is the same?

I’m mainly concerned about enjoying myself for the weekend, and hopefully hitting a couple good scores. Basically my sample size isn’t going to be infinite. My thought is that I should play variance rather than expected value, and hope for a big score. If I play 10 hands that means I have to play 10 more bad hands per pull; if I bet less maybe I’ll bink a good draw.


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Hey I just got back last month from a week long trip split between Cosmo and Bellagio and this was my experience. I have a similar bankroll comfort to yourself:

At the bars I play for a combo of drinks and fun. Bellagio sports book has progressive DDB VP at .25 cents and as long as you tip every bartender I had kept the drinks full. At the Cosmo they have a computer system that spits out tickets every so much $ and time spent so I played .50 single line TDB and DDB and had fun and hit some good hands and had enough drinks to be happy.

On the casino floor at Cosmo I was playing .10 5 line or 10 line UX, Hot Roll and sometimes regular TDB. I did have some fun hits including drawing a full house after drawing 2 pair (3x multiplier) playing five hand .10 UX. At Bellagio I kept the VP to the bars because they were so generous with the drinks.

Even out on the floor I usually get more than adequate drink service. If you want to get drunk, you need not play at the bar ime.

Agreed, I’m not worried about being drunk(this happens easy enough), I just feel like for a low volume player I can get a better chunk of variance when I bet high demons low hands, but when I bet high hand count low demons I bleed pretty quick because I have to play every bad draw.


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I wouldnt be surprised if the bellagio sportsbook is 7/5 ddb. I just cant do it. There are so many places offstrip that will offer you open bar and a decent game at the same time. Worth taking a Lyft imo.

I dont drink often at all, especially since I moved from LV, but my favorite way to spend numerous hours is chasing a positive royal progressive while sipping draughts and more nefarious things with likeminded individuals.

Yeah, if the "companionship" aspect of a bar does something for you, that's the way to go. For me it means more smoke in my face so I prefer the solitude of the machines on the floor.

The best machines close to the Strip are probably at the Gold Coast. The good part is their website has a machine finder where you can search for the game you want, and it shows the location. No +ev machines though, Red Rock is probably closest for that.

Palace Station has a bunch of +ev games.

Does this account for comps?

No, the paytables are just +ev. There's a 100.2 that has dollar denom.

Gcoho is def right. I stopped playing CET props due to the bs drink program and went to Cosmo. Next thing you know Cosmo rolls out a much worse drink program. I know enough bartenders there where I don’t have to ever actually wait for a drink but it’s pretty jacked up. I played a session of ux at chandelier and the first 40 minutes I didn’t get a single drink ticket. The system is broken

Theoretically if you play more lines/same coin in your variance goes down. Overall EV is going to be determined by the paytable regardless. In practical terms, playing fewer lines but higher denom increases the chance you're not going to hit a big hand (but if you do, you have a better shot of finishing a winner).

From a fun perspective, given your goals I'd probably actually find multiline if you can. You're far more likely to at least get some play for your money. The problem is none of us have that crystal ball- say you have two hypothetical sessions, one in which you play multiline, hit a big hand and still end up overall loser, and the other where you play single line, coin in the same and never hit anything (and end up loser). Obv given the choice you'd pick the former.

Or two other hypothetical sessions- one multiline where you hit one big one (and end up loser) and one single line where you also only hit one big one (and could end up winner). In that case you'd pick the latter. There's no telling- I'd just go with what you consider more fun. To me, single line is like watching paint dry and the succession of misses that can and do come when you finally get good draws is immensely frustrating.

Multi strike easily the most fun VP "variant"

Was that ALL in one day?

Yes. I played two different sessions before and after actual poker.

Gcoho,

Just ask around first and find out which machines are running hot.

Mini/"I'm bored and have time to post" update

Enjoy.

Have been trying to go to my local "even less" since the Nov 2017 debacle and mostly succeeding. The few times I've been, I've played multiline full pay at quarters to try and keep variance down. Most of the sessions have been pretty pathetic, honestly. Never a glimmer of hope of booking a winner, no dealt monster hands, and most good draws don't materialize.

The one winner I booked prior to a few days ago came, unsurprisingly, by virtue of total lightning strikes from nowhere. It's pretty tough NOT to win when stuff like this comes in, assuming one runs halfway normally in other respects.



Apologies for potato-like quality of pic- that's one ace turning into 4 w/kicker. I didn't realize I snapped a blurry one until later.



Actually took a decent pic this time.

"Flip and pay" poker

So... this one is interesting. It's a new game that showed up at my local recently. I gave it some play out of curiosity when it first arrives but quickly bailed. I'll explain more below, but when I first tried it I tried at 10c credits, saw the negative side of variance, and quickly came to the conclusion that there's no chance of making a nice score here so I stopped.

The gist is, you bet double credits, much like UX. Let's start there. So 25c credits is plenty big for me ( 25$ coin in for 10 lines). The paytable- crappy, or so I thought. 8/5 for TDB, as opposed to 9/7 for regular full pay TDB. I assumed this was ultra bad, but I finally went to WOO to check it out recently and it turns out a 7/5 TDB game on this version is "only" 98% payback. So 8/5 is better- no idea how much, but probably close to 98.5. Certainly not as bad as I thought it'd be. Now, what do you get for the double credit bet?

Any card dealt can "flip" to a better card, so long as-
1. The new card is above or below one rank, same suit (so an ace of clubs can "flip" to a king or 2 of clubs).
2. The new hand is an EV improvement, AND improves to better than jacks or better (so dealt A of diamonds, K of clubs, XXX the king will NOT flip to an ace of clubs; but dealt 33 A diamonds, K of clubs, X, the K WOULD flip (since you improve to two pair) and then you hold just the aces).

The flip feature will ALWAYS kick in assuming the above are satisfied, and the player should ALWAYS keep the flip (EV improves). It took me a bit of thinking to realize just how powerful the feature could be, assuming a bit of luck.

Examples-

1. Dealt AAA with an 2 or K of the 4th suit? That'll flip to 4 aces!
2. Dealt AAA with a 5 of the 4th suit? The 5 will flip to a 4 and you'll now be drawing at AAA w/ kicker!
3. Dealt JQK clubs, 9 of clubs, A of spades? The 9 now flips to a 10 of clubs (dealt straight), and now one can draw at 4 to a royal
4. Any 4 to a royal actually has 1 extra of being a dealt royal (eg, dealt 10jqk suited, if the 5th card is the A or 2 of that suit, that's a dealt royal).

Realizing this, coupled with the realization that it wasn't quite as -EV as I suspected, I knew the next time I went in it was going to be flip and pay. That "next time" was a few days ago.

Started off at 10 lines, 25c, prepared to lose 2k if necessary. I never needed more than my initial 100$ bill.



Was dealt this 4th or 5th hand in. You can see at the lower right of the screen the "2 spades". Basically I was dealt 333 with the offsuit 2, which then flipped to premium quads!

Result-



Before they can even pay me, I'm dealt, OUTRIGHT (no flip this time)-



Result-



So, 5 min in, two fantastic deals and I'm off to the races. I quickly step it up to 50c and experience the downside of the game. That double bet just CHEWS YOU UP when you don't make hands. Of course, I got plenty of trip draws (any dealt pair + a flippable card = trips) but the premium ones just couldn't find a way to come in. I must have drawn at premium trips at least 10 times, 10 handed and didn't make one. So I put back in 2k in about 15 min.

Came to my senses and started playing 25c again, and very soon backed that down to 5 lines. I figured, I'm playing for dealt monsters, the chance of a dealt monster is much higher with this feature, BUT I need enough coin in time to give myself a shot. I'd be perfectly happy with dealt 2.5k (5 lines, 4 2,3,4's w/ kicker) or dealt 5k (4 awak or royal), so stop swinging for the fences all the time.

Pretty soon after, the flip comes good again-



Result-



I think I played for 5 hours just pure turbo mode. The machine has an autohold so I didn't even have to make hold decisions. Just cycled as fast as I could. With the flip feature, I can't even tell you how many premium draws I had, how many dealt quads. I lost count. Obv missed and made a bunch.

When it finally got super late and I was about to leave, the machine sticks one last hook in me-



All 4 premium dealt quads on this night were 3's. So odd.

Unfortunately, I caught zero kickers this time.

I ended up cashing out up 4k, super tired but had a ton of fun. Never did get dealt 4 aces, royal, or quad premium with kicker- but there's always next time! I did get to draw at 4 to a royal (that started life as 3 to a royal prior to the flip) twice, but blanked every time.

I will definitely play this game again. It's fun and I recommend it to anyone. Keep the credits reasonable- the cold patches are REALLY cold.

Pros-
- make big draws all the time
- make "dealt" monsters all the time

Cons-
- double bet
- negative variance is REALLY bad
- paytable worse than full pay game

To be continued...

I misunderstood at first. So, the flip happens before you draw? Then no more flipping after that?

You hit quads while waiting for your first payout? Were you playing the machine next to you or did they unlock your machine? In Vegas, they always have kept the machine locked until they paid me.