So someone who never plays tournaments is going to argue with someone who only plays daily tournaments in Las Vegas about the rake on daily tournaments in Las Vegas. How do you expect this to work out?

I was wrong. I remember some people at Caesar's complaining that the rake was 28% and that it was too high, and that the daily Bally's tournaments were better. Looks like they were wrong. That's why I prefaced what I said with the fact I don't play tournaments, and said "I think" and "pretty sure." I'm glad the mod looked it up.

why not offer high edge games for a while, since it's a tiny room with trivial revenue, then open up a larger room behind private doors offering full concierge for a $100/year subscription?

The good old days.

I think any new poker room needs to cater to a VASTLY untapped market - women. Let's get THEM into the game. Not only would poker be more +EV with a bigger and fresher player pool, it would be more...fun. A fish would be way more incentivized to play if there's an attractive or even semi-attractive woman on every table instead of four locals who tell the same bad beat story, a few drunk tourist dudes and a grinder who hasn't showered in three days.

That's a good idea. How should the room entice women to join a table/room full of " locals who tell the same bad beat story, a few drunk tourist dudes and a grinder who hasn't showered in three days" ?

How about 100% rakeback for the first two women seated and playing at any table ? I believe it would be a legally defensible policy, as a room is allowed to employ prop players.

I remember a robust discussion of this on another sub-forum here about a year or so ago. There was very little consensus about how what could be done to effectively encourage women to join.

It would obviously be helpful to get the input of women on this, but I think that is unlikely on this forum. I've had a number of ideas myself based on games I have played in that did have a good gender balance. (I've played in multiple home games that were almost half female.)

Among these ideas, I think the absolute most important thing is that the casino should simply ensure that there are always a critical mass of women playing in the room, so that it actually looks inviting to female players. The casino should make sure that if a woman wants to play, she will not be the only woman at her table.

To this end, I think the best thing a room could possibly do is to hire a bunch of female prop players so that there is always at least one other woman playing at every table at all times. If the room does achieve this critical mass so that the prop players are not necessary, they could phase out this policy over time.

How often do you see a non grinder woman playing by themselves at the poker tables?
Almost never, they are always with their boyfriend or occasionally with another female friend.

If you're gonna open a poker room that caters to women, you might as well open it at the Cosmopolitan. Better chances there despite the Aria poker room being close.

Concerned that they are on Poker Atlas. The app reviews are pretty terrible.

A lot of those reviews are old and the only thing that matters is if it reflects the live game info and wait list info accurately. I have never had any problems looking around on the app. Most people complaining are not using it for Live wait list/Live game info because very few casinos have that set on there.

Only Westgate and Sahara set like that in Las Vegas. Obviously would be better on Bravo app since the majority of people use that and a lot don't even know about Poker Atlas. But that isn't going to happen.

Went to the sports book at Sahara today. The poker room still has the walls around it. But they are saying it will open Wednesday 1/29 now.

I'll be there in March and will check it out.

Funny about the woman thing. I'm a woman, but I've always been a bit of a Tomboy, so the poker table is very comfortable for me, and I'm very athletic and competitive. And I love games. Also, my two A+ grades in college were statistics and logic

None of my female friends play poker -- nor do they want to. I think it's the "gambling" aspect and the thought of losing money, even if they can afford it. They just aren't interested. I don't think you will ever attract women to poker who wouldn't already play w/o enticement.

They are convinced Poker Atlas is the future. It's such a small share of the market I think that's going to be a mistake. When I lived in Vegas I almost never checked on Westgate because it was a lone wolf. I can use Bravo and see 20 plus rooms.

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I am sure they are 100% doing it because of money. Nobody selects Poker Atlas over Bravo otherwise. I have no idea the costs for either but its probably significantly higher for Bravo and for a small room it makes a big difference.

I remember the “women don’t like gambling” argument coming up several times in the other thread on how to bring women into the game. And it has always rung completely false to me. Next time you are in a casino, take a look at the gender breakdown of people playing the slot machines, and then try to argue that women don’t like gambling.

Javanewt seems to have a grinder mentality for poker. The majority of women would rather mindlessly lose playing slot machines.

it's not that women don't like gambling it's that the competitive aspect of poker does not appeal to most of them

so yeah, whoever wanted to play poker is playing poker already

Both of the above. And, weirdly, I don't think women (people) see slots as gambling so much because they feel as if they are losing less. It's tough to sit down at a poker table with a $20 bill. And most of the slots players aren't the type you will ever get at a poker table, regardless.

The competitive thing is a big part of it, too. I think a lot of women are intimidated by poker. It just takes a certain type of woman to get into poker, and there aren't a lot of us -- not compared the amount of men, anyway

In a nutshell, the women who play poker are going to play poker, and no amount of advertising or promotion is going to get the others to play -- maybe for a short while if there are giveaways or something for free, but not in the long run.

Women aren’t intimidated by poker because it’s competition or it’s gambling. There are plenty of competitive games and gambling games that are mostly made up of women.

If they are intimidated, it’s because whenever a woman sits down at a poker table, they are literally surrounded by gross men staring at them.

Chipendale male dealers would have to be brought in if women are to be the target market.

I say .5/1 with 400 minimum would bring in a lot of locals who believe they're deep stack masters.

I have a great business plan.

Open a poker room with so few tables, comparable to the poker tables nobody plays on at Binion's now (as a modest example), that letting anyone know about what's going on in the room will be a budget-buster.

Next, don't let anyone see how the "room" is coming along. No knotholes in a fence, no gaps in a green canvas cover, no live stream of the "construction", nothing.

Next, let's employ a staff of floor people, regular and substitute dealers, and maybe someone to sell chips to new players and cash chips from players who are leaving.

Next, let's have the "eye in the sky" focused on all the dealer trays and other parts of the entire seven tables, and let's pay for security to monitor the action and confirm when to push the bad beat pots.

But don't let anyone know yet about whether or not there will be high hand bonuses or bad beat jackpots, make them come into the room that isn't there yet to find out.

What could go wrong with this great business plan?

And how would that be good for the game?

This is so clueless on both counts.

There are no “locals who believe they’re deep stack masters” (at least in terms of how the casino industry understands “locals”).

Locals buy in for $100 and slowly let their stack grind down while they accumulate hours for the monthly freeroll, only playing a hand if it might hit the BBJP. They would never play the game you’re describing.

LOL.

And you have no idea what a local is. Yes there are a lot of shortstackers but they aren't trying to hit a bad beat. They are accumulating hours for freerolls.

They are generally break even to slight winning players.

And then there are good regs who do buy in deep.

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